Do Devs want us to hate PvE?

Polares

I am seriously considering not playing PvE anymore. Have you kept track of the last PvEs?

EotS (horrible test1)
Heroic
Venom Bomb
Unstable iso (horrible test2)
Heroic

Is this a joke ?!?!?! 5 horrible PvEs!!! This is almost a month of terrible PvEs!!! I don't know if devs keep track (probably not), but those are the PvE people hate the most (EotS, Venom Bomb, and Heroic in general).

It woud be my loss because I usually like PvE more than PvP, and there is more iso now in PvE, but this is starting to be unbearable, certainly NOT FUN. This last heroic particularly, it has been specially hard for me for the char selection.

Again, Why o why do devs INSIST so much for us to use the chars they want? With the new tests we can just use the best 5 chars, with heroics just the 10-12 they select for the event (probably randomly, or by order, not considering which chars are best suited for every event). Buff is a much better way of 'enforcing' using different chars. And they force us to play with some chars but then we don't have enough iso to max them, they should see that this is contradictory!!!

Ah man, they are ruining PvE (at least for me )

PS: Is it just me or the last node in the second sub of this heroic is brutally difficult (it is Kingpin+muscle+bullseye), I can't win! I had it once and my iPad turned off because it didn't have more battery (!!!!!). It doesn't help that my thing, antman and star-lord are neither leveled above 170, so my most leveled chars for this event are 3s. But also the scaling in this sub has increased a lot from last sub, like 50 levels more than in the last sub ?!?!? Then it doesn't help that neither of the possible chars is well suited to play against countdowns (the only one is Starlord, but his purple is not fast enough), and having the muscle producing yellow for Kingpin is brutal.

Bowgentle

While I agree that PVE sucks, yet another thread about it isn't going to make the devs take notice.

Especially since every post from you lately is saying that you'll consider quitting PVE, yet never do

Polares

Bowgentle wrote:

While I agree that PVE sucks, yet another thread about it isn't going to make the devs take notice.

Especially since every post from you lately is saying that you'll consider quitting PVE, yet never do

Well probably they don't read the forum too much but if they do maybe it would help. Then, thing is, I don't want to stop playing PvE, this is the mode I prefer the most... generally, so this is why I opened the thread (this is the first thread I open talking about this, If other people do the same, I guess it is because I am not the only one thinking PvE is not improving lately, quite the contrary)

Quebbster

Personally I suspect the devs made a few mistakes that made the situation worse.
Wolverine seems to originally have been scheduled as the fourstar essential for Enemy of the State. When it was pointed out Wolverine was locked out of the first half of the event, it was changed to Ghost Rider. I assume this is because Ghost rider was the next fourstar in line and was originally intended as the fourstar essential in Venom Bomb - I Think it would have been fun to Penance Stare down Carnage!
Then, the new PvE model test in Enemy of the State didn't quite work out and a new test was needed. I suspect the devs decided not to try it out on Another seven-day PvE (thankfully!) and then slotted in Unstable ISO and a Heroic instead, leading to the current situation with Three consecutive weeks with short PvEs only. It also means the featured characters of the week weren't picked with a Heroic in mind...

madsalad

The Juggs Heroic character choice is CRUSHING MY SOUL, especially after the run of the last 4 PVEs. I've felt like MPQ is my job. Games shouldn't feel like jobs, right?

Daiches

I am having the same exact experience, including the scaling bug for Heroics post sub 1.

Nick441234

madsalad wrote:

The Juggs Heroic character choice is CRUSHING MY SOUL, especially after the run of the last 4 PVEs. I've felt like MPQ is my job. Games shouldn't feel like jobs, right?

Agree with that. I have seven 4*s available to me that are useless as they are not covered. I only have about 10 available to me that can be used.

I have a roster of 83 characters, I shouldn't be limited down to just 10 of any use.

ZootSax

Polares wrote:

PS: Is it just me or the last node in the second sub of this heroic is brutally difficult (it is Kingpin+muscle+bullseye), I can't win! I had it once and my iPad turned off because it didn't have more battery (!!!!!). It doesn't help that my thing, antman and star-lord are neither leveled above 170, so my most leveled chars for this event are 3s. But also the scaling in this sub has increased a lot from last sub, like 50 levels more than in the last sub ?!?!? Then it doesn't help that neither of the possible chars is well suited to play against countdowns (the only one is Starlord, but his purple is not fast enough), and having the muscle producing yellow for Kingpin is brutal.

I'm still in the 2-->3 transition (I have ~10 cover-maxed 3*'s, but not enough iso to level them, yet), but 3* Storm, SWitch and 2* Ms Marvel have gotten through that one, so far. Luck is more of a factor than it should be, but that's par for the course on heroics, I guess. Even with Bullseye all over, SWitch has been my MVP on the second sub.

Otherwise, I agree with you that PVE has been pretty brutal the past few weeks. I'm hoping the Duck events are better....or maybe that they run Growth Industry again sometime soon (they really need an event like that once every month or two just to mix it up).

madsalad

aesthetocyst wrote:

madsalad wrote:

The Juggs Heroic character choice is CRUSHING MY SOUL, especially after the run of the last 4 PVEs. I've felt like MPQ is my job. Games shouldn't feel like jobs, right?

Silly madsalad, you're not supposed to play the Heroics.

How else will I pretend to fight off the iso starvation? I have to get 300K iso in 2 weeks to max lvl/champ XFW, Daredevil and Colossus, each of which I have 2+ covers waiting in my queue (2 XFW, 6 DD, 3 Colossus).

Right on top of that Rose.

mpqr7

Yeah I'm barely playing the juggs heroic, it's just not worth it. very slow battles that kill off my tiny roster for tiny points and tiny iso. no thank you.

wirius

Fun=Play it.
Not fun=Don't play it.

That is the metrics the devs see. Nothing else matters.

Arphaxad

wirius wrote:

Fun=Play it.
Not fun=Don't play it.

That is the metrics the devs see. Nothing else matters.

I'm interested in the new PvE system and I was excited to try it out, but EOTS is the worse event so I barely played. I play the heroic events long enough to get progression and then stop.

People need to be conscience of voting with their time. If you don't like an event... don't play it. If enough people avoid an event, they will notice.

madsalad

aesthetocyst wrote:

madsalad wrote:

aesthetocyst wrote:

madsalad wrote:

The Juggs Heroic character choice is CRUSHING MY SOUL, especially after the run of the last 4 PVEs. I've felt like MPQ is my job. Games shouldn't feel like jobs, right?

Silly madsalad, you're not supposed to play the Heroics.

How else will I pretend to fight off the iso starvation? I have to get 300K iso in 2 weeks to max lvl/champ XFW, Daredevil and Colossus, each of which I have 2+ covers waiting in my queue (2 XFW, 6 DD, 3 Colossus).

I feel your pain. Am working the LRs like religion to pile up 240K to champ Xpool. Started from 0 8 days ago, up to 177K. Not touching any Heroic tho. Yecch.

Don't feel like you have to do anything. Please refrain from mounting the dev's hamster wheel of pain. Will drive you nutters. Covers en queue are possibilities ... opportunities ... not legal obligations! Don't let covers dictate your actions. It blows to let them go, but they will come around again.



I am champing Xpool because I do have a cover on hand, but mostly because, all factors weighed, he is my #1 priority to level. If I had no cover, I'd level him anyway but park at 250 instead of going the last (very expensive) mile right now.

I also have a KP and a Thing en queue. Not a hope in hell of them making it, short of whaling iso .... which means not a hope in hell of them making it.

I'm playing LRs when I can, usually after work, so I'm good for about 4 of those on Tues/Wed. Might sneak in two on a Thursday before they shut down.

I've let plenty of covers go but I've made the decision to do these 3 characters in particular. I've now started to hoard al CP/LTs until I can get the rest of my 3* roster champed and bring up my 4*s to an acceptable level. Then will start openings LTs to a point where I need to level a character, then hoard again until satisfied. Rinse/Repeat.

I think I've finally found a winning team on this 2nd Heroic sub since SWitch has been included (Switch, Mags and Quicksilver). The family that plays together and all that...

GrumpySmurf1002

Yup, it was definitely this string of 5 PvE and not the same tired mechanic over 2+ years that was the breaking point.

Nepenthe

I must be in the minority in liking EotS. I just wish the wave nodes gave iso rewards after the first completion, that's the only frustrating part for me. For the latest run of it I used boosted Blade, Beast, Hood for most nodes and didn't have problems until around the 4th or 5th clears scaling up. I even like Venom Bomb as a change of pace, except for the Carnage + 2 red feeders nodes. I agree that Heroics are a drag, though.

Jarvind

I uh...I like heroics.

(Dodges hail of incoming produce)

simonsez

Heroics are like trying to play golf with garden tools...

cyineedsn

Jarvind wrote:

I uh...I like heroics.

(Dodges hail of incoming produce)

So...what level is your bullseye/kp/muscle node and what are you using to beat it? Mine is at 310, and if even one threaten tile goes off, it's 2k+ damage every hit and I'm pretty much toast

MeatLoafX

I *really* wanted the guardians covers and, after the last pve, I was hoping to have a shot. No chance. I will lucky to even make the sub event today with the last node being jugs and two luitenant goods firing off healing every turn. So disheartening....

Pvp is also looking like a wash with so many high level boosted teams.

Sad face.

Azoic

See, events like this make me happy that I went and championed AM. Thanks for the protect tiles, Bullseye! Oh, Muscle? Thanks for those strike tiles to add to all my attack tiles! Magneto? Pft, thanks again!

Ran AM and Thing most of it, but the third slot hasn't had a great option for any support character. The third sub has been kinda fun with QS, though.

GrimSkald

Jarvind wrote:

I uh...I like heroics.

(Dodges hail of incoming produce)

Actually, I don't mind them that much either. I like playing with the boosted characters, despite the fact that I'm primarily a 4* player at this time (11 Maxed 4*s.) That was one thing I hated about the tests - the levels were so high that I had to play with my best characters every time - an unboosted 3* had no chance and even the boosted 3*s had to be really good to compete.

In the heroic I'm playing with Ant-Man (level 175) a lot - he's not half-bad with certain combos. Kingpin is his best buddy, but he's locked out, right now I'm playing Thing, QS, AM a lot and it's actually pretty fun.