This gauntlet and 5* cover scaling

The Bookman
The Bookman Posts: 54
edited November 2015 in MPQ General Discussion
Last Gauntlet I completed fully... It had hard patches where I lost a few times and had to heal. But I competed all 3 in 3 days. My 3 best toons were maxed 166 level 3*s.

Fast forward to this Gauntlet and I am dying so badly just to complete the second run... Stopped at the start of the 3rd round as the scaling is nuts. My team are still maxed 166 level 3*s...

So why is the gauntlet so hard this time?

Is it because I have 1 x black power for Old Man Logan sitting in my roster at level 255?

Why are people with worse rosters than mine progressing further?

Remind me again why people who play just a bit and haven't spent any money are beating me?

I'm a pve specialist and go at least 3 times round each pve event and then grind them at the end to achieve progress for myself and my alliance... And yet I am beaten consistently by lower roster teams who haven't played anywhere near as much as me.

I await the scaling fixes hinted at in the November video...

In the mean time I am giving up on the gauntlet and I don't pvp that much... So I'm off to play a game on my PC as mpq is shocking right now... And that is what happens to disillusioned players... They give up.

Once I give up 3 times I tend to give up completely... So strike one mpq was Galactus, this is strike two...

Three strikes and you are losing a player who spends a lot of time playing the game as well as pays money to enjoy it (key words there.... Enjoy a game)
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  • aergia
    aergia Posts: 9 Just Dropped In
    Totally agree. It's hard to enjoy progressing in a game that almost seems to punish progression.
  • OneLastGambit
    OneLastGambit Posts: 1,963 Chairperson of the Boards
    I'm halfway through second sub with my 2.5* roster, my best 3 * is Steve Rogers and BP with 8 and 9 covers lol 114 and 119 my highest usable character is kingpin with 9 covers on lvl 127 yet my scaling has my enemies (halfway through sub 2) at lvl 204, almost 100 levels above my highest character and more than 100 levels above my only fully covered characters at lvl 94.

    Is it because of the OML cover I have? I dunno
  • mikelnoe
    mikelnoe Posts: 92 Match Maker
    edited November 2015
    Yeah I'm screwed this gauntlet because of scalling. I've got single cover SS and OML. Plus my 8 cover 166 4 pool is boosted to 259. Then I just have a handful of maxed 3*. Already burning through health packs mid 2nd round. I was going to sell my 5* a bit ago but then the announcement that hinted at a scaling fix came so I digressed. Very frustrating.
  • Magic
    Magic Posts: 1,199 Chairperson of the Boards
    Similar story. 2 5* i never use and i wont finish gauntlet. Tinykitty that
  • stowaway
    stowaway Posts: 501 Critical Contributor
    I really don't think it has anything to do with 5* characters. Last time Gauntlet ran I had 8 nodes that opened at 395, this Gauntlet I only had 5. Last Gauntlet I had no characters above 166, this time I have 2 at 190, 1 at 240, and an OML at 255. My roster got better, but my scaling actually went down (slightly).

    It sucks especially coming out of Growth Industry, where the nodes were challenging but fun, the scaling was reasonable, and only a handful of battles got you a 4* cover. This is what feels like a million nodes with worse scaling for an equivalent reward. But I hope people don't give up. I got through a lot of those 300+ nodes using 2* characters: OBW hiding behind Luke Cage's protect tile; Storm with Kamala and Thor feeding her green, for fights that lasted 10 minutes but technically ended on turn 4 or 5.
  • dr tinykittylove
    dr tinykittylove Posts: 1,459 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited November 2015
    My scaling has gone up from the last run as well - hit 395 on the last 2 nodes in sub 3 and final 2 essentials, but within reasonable limits, I think, or at least I've developed a strong enough roster and learnt some new strategies.

    Definitely a chunk of it was personal scaling - towards the end, I cleared one node and everything jumped 20 levels, including the node I just cleared.

    Used zero boosts, no whales, avoided using the buffed characters on most nodes, occasionally dropped a winfinite when I got bored. This round might have been easier than the last one, and definitely better than the one before with the tetris ultron node that irritated me into using whales.

    Gauntlet's tough and not at all profitable apart from the last 4* cover, but it's still one of my favourite events. No timed clears or grinds, no attacks, just fooling around with various teams to see what works.

    However, I'm sure I would hate it too if I didn't already have my roster where it is.

    Aside: I don't get Deadly nodes anymore. The 395 nodes creeping backwards through the Gauntlet are all rated "Hard" for my 155+OML roster. Well, I guess if I cleared them they aren't that Deadly. :p
  • my first(and the last) gauntlet full clear ever. . .thanks to winfinity 2.0(3/1/0 px) and whale whale whale!, and realize winfinite become slower thanks to yellow px(now 3/1/1)

    anyway scaling was nuts like usual, wiped 3-4 in one node, "totally awesome" healthpack burnout.
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    stowaway wrote:
    I really don't think it has anything to do with 5* characters. Last time Gauntlet ran I had 8 nodes that opened at 395, this Gauntlet I only had 5. Last Gauntlet I had no characters above 166, this time I have 2 at 190, 1 at 240, and an OML at 255. My roster got better, but my scaling actually went down (slightly).

    It sucks especially coming out of Growth Industry, where the nodes were challenging but fun, the scaling was reasonable, and only a handful of battles got you a 4* cover. This is what feels like a million nodes with worse scaling for an equivalent reward. But I hope people don't give up. I got through a lot of those 300+ nodes using 2* characters: OBW hiding behind Luke Cage's protect tile; Storm with Kamala and Thor feeding her green, for fights that lasted 10 minutes but technically ended on turn 4 or 5.
    Your roster may be better this time but you may have had a higher average level last time, you have to factor in boosted characters
  • amusingfoo1
    amusingfoo1 Posts: 597 Critical Contributor
    I have Surfer and OML, but my scaling didn't get too bad until the kamala, cyclops, Loki node. I absolutely destroyed that one, thanks to a very good board and being daring (a match-7, four match-5s, and two match-4s in 4-5 turns. Only one Loki counter proc'ed). When I finished, everything jumped thirty levels (including the earlier nodes).

    I was avoiding winfinite to keep that sort of thing from happening, so I very much did not appreciate it.

    With that, and a twenty level jump a few nodes later, I hit 395 on sim 41.

    My highest are several 190s, plus a few 166s, a few more 140-150s, and a bunch of 120s. Not fun.
  • scottee
    scottee Posts: 1,610 Chairperson of the Boards
    My scaling is worst than many but I decided to try not to winfinite my way through everything. I still have two nodes left in the last stage that I haven't had time for yet, but I'm beating pretty much every single node with LCap and Hood. They still beat everything in PVE (including those QS essentials).
  • jredd
    jredd Posts: 1,387 Chairperson of the Boards
    stuck on sim 28 at level 245.

    what is this winfinite thing? enlighten an ignorant soul.
  • Mine hit 395 halfway through the 3rd sub. So I have about 12 at 385, to do with a lvl 170, after boost, daken. I have 1 @255. And 2 4 stars at 220. That's it.

    +170 lvls for 1\3 the event is not reasonable for anyone.
  • Mine hit 395 halfway through the 3rd sub. So I have about 12 at 385, to do with a lvl 170, after boost, daken. I have 1 @255. And 2 4 stars at 220. That's it.

    +170 lvls for 1\3 the event is not reasonable for anyone.
  • scottee
    scottee Posts: 1,610 Chairperson of the Boards
    jredd wrote:
    stuck on sim 28 at level 245.

    what is this winfinite thing? enlighten an ignorant soul.

    Scarlett, GSBW, and Prof X. Get 11 purple, use Deceptive Tactics to make 2 or 3 match-5s, rinse and repeat till the other team's dead. Requires 5 Prof X blue covers.
  • jredd
    jredd Posts: 1,387 Chairperson of the Boards
    scottee wrote:
    jredd wrote:
    stuck on sim 28 at level 245.

    what is this winfinite thing? enlighten an ignorant soul.

    Scarlett, GSBW, and Prof X. Get 11 purple, use Deceptive Tactics to make 2 or 3 match-5s, rinse and repeat till the other team's dead. Requires 5 Prof X blue covers.

    my prof is 2/2/0. worth a shot i guess.
  • I cannot get past DD set in AT. Nothing is working!
  • So I've kept trying... After all I like playing this game (call me a masochist)

    In just over a day I've completed the first 6 nodes of gauntlet 3, and needed a few runs and about 30 health packs to do it. Now I'm wiping on node 7 and burning through health packs so fast trying different teams it is ridiculous.

    Some of my alliance have got further so I know what is waiting for me further down the line.... With 14 nodes still to go to get one 4*reward.

    And this now feels very like losing repeatedly against galactus 1. I don't enjoy that feeling... And my wife is not enjoying me getting worked up about a 'game'. She has a point so I am calling time on this event and won't be playing it any more.
  • Same problems here -- my enemies are at lv350 at this point. What are you supposed to do against a Jean + Hulkbuster + Gamora, all of them over 20k hit points, and all of them capable of killing you by themselves?

    My roster has no 5-stars, but two 4-stars at lv 230ish. I guess if I understood scaling it would help, but you get so much conflicting information that it is hard to figure out. All I know is that the enemies are 100 levels above me, and it's 1) impossible 2) no fun.
  • While i do feel that scaling went up since i got 2 single 5* covers . the gauntlet is still possible. it is meant to be grueling and punishing.

    We have to figure out the team compositions and who to take out first for each node. Thats what makes it fun.

    For JG HB Gamora, i had success with Cmag Xforce Punisher. Use cmag blue and xforce black then punisher red. Targeted JG first, then the match 5s started. Gamora next and H B last. had to sacrifice cmags to HB went he built up red.

    For Px X23 Daken, it took me many tries, but i finally won without a scratch due to an extremely good board and cascades. Used Xforce Punisher and Mystique. took out PX x23 and Daken in that order.

    Had to boost all colors , G/B , R/Y for this 2 matches.

    now im at the last node. gonna take a breather before i put the team into the meat grinder again. Best of luck everyone!
  • puppychow
    puppychow Posts: 1,453
    scottee wrote:
    jredd wrote:
    stuck on sim 28 at level 245.

    what is this winfinite thing? enlighten an ignorant soul.

    Scarlett, GSBW, and Prof X. Get 11 purple, use Deceptive Tactics to make 2 or 3 match-5s, rinse and repeat till the other team's dead. Requires 5 Prof X blue covers.

    I've done the 2* version with cstorm/Mnmag. collect pinks and do 5-match blues to trigger xavier's power, and then slap a windstorm afterwards to stun the enemy. Still needs 5 blue x covers though.