**** Iceman (All New X-Men) ****

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  • Sandwichboy
    Sandwichboy Posts: 193 Tile Toppler
    Yeah, it's really not ideal to have 4 green, but blue is an absolute must have at 5 as that's mainly what you'll be using to take down big targets.
  • notamutant
    notamutant Posts: 855 Critical Contributor
    My suggestion to anyone using HP but not the full amount to max a character: do not buy a 5th color in any color. Because you can respect at 13 covers, the original build isn't important anymore. What is important is that you don't have to throw away any covers. So it is not worth buying a 5th color and risk getting a useless one later. Just go up to 4 in all of them and wait for the next 1k reward.
  • Marc_Spector
    Marc_Spector Posts: 628 Critical Contributor
    notamutant wrote:
    My suggestion to anyone using HP but not the full amount to max a character: do not buy a 5th color in any color. Because you can respect at 13 covers, the original build isn't important anymore. What is important is that you don't have to throw away any covers. So it is not worth buying a 5th color and risk getting a useless one later. Just go up to 4 in all of them and wait for the next 1k reward.

    This x1000. This is exactly what I've been doing with my leftover HP.

    N.A.M., I'd even go so far as to suggest starting a new thread in General with this same paragraph -- it's great advice for anyone for the upcoming week.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    notamutant wrote:
    My suggestion to anyone using HP but not the full amount to max a character: do not buy a 5th color in any color. Because you can respect at 13 covers, the original build isn't important anymore. What is important is that you don't have to throw away any covers. So it is not worth buying a 5th color and risk getting a useless one later. Just go up to 4 in all of them and wait for the next 1k reward.
    That's great in theory, but without the option to buy via HP, you could be old and toothless by the time you ever get that 5th cover you need.
  • Quebbster
    Quebbster Posts: 8,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    simonsez wrote:
    notamutant wrote:
    My suggestion to anyone using HP but not the full amount to max a character: do not buy a 5th color in any color. Because you can respect at 13 covers, the original build isn't important anymore. What is important is that you don't have to throw away any covers. So it is not worth buying a 5th color and risk getting a useless one later. Just go up to 4 in all of them and wait for the next 1k reward.
    That's great in theory, but without the option to buy via HP, you could be old and toothless by the time you ever get that 5th cover you need.
    Hopefully you should be able to hit 1000 points in PvP before you are old and toothless.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    Quebbster wrote:
    Hopefully you should be able to hit 1000 points in PvP before you are old and toothless.
    How many 4*s are there? How many colors are there? How many PvPs are there per week? Setting up a roster filled with characters that'll be awesome 6-9 months from now isn't a great idea.
  • TxMoose
    TxMoose Posts: 4,319 Chairperson of the Boards
    I don't trust rng and will be a months-long process working to max what I have one by one. I finished ice and after I max jeanbuster, will take him from 131 to 270. then...the next one. playing for mostly iso only at this point. after yesterday I need to update my roster.
  • rkd80
    rkd80 Posts: 376
    Been running him so far as 3/5/5 and it has its merits, the few times that I collect enough green to fire off the AoE certainly makes me wish I had more covers, but it is a rather expensive and uncommon thing. I dont know.

    Maybe pairing him with RULK makes a much easier case of 5/5/3, but I am not really sure why 5 purple is so bad. The cascades it can create is rather immense provided the board is rich. However a rich board is a contingency for many scenarios.

    Currently he is at level 261, once I champ him I will certainly try the other variation but for now...3/5/5 is pretty badass.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    rkd80 wrote:
    but I am not really sure why 5 purple is so bad.
    Because it means you're giving up around 8k damage in green.
  • Sandwichboy
    Sandwichboy Posts: 193 Tile Toppler
    rkd80 wrote:
    Been running him so far as 3/5/5 and it has its merits, the few times that I collect enough green to fire off the AoE certainly makes me wish I had more covers, but it is a rather expensive and uncommon thing. I dont know.

    Maybe pairing him with RULK makes a much easier case of 5/5/3, but I am not really sure why 5 purple is so bad. The cascades it can create is rather immense provided the board is rich. However a rich board is a contingency for many scenarios.

    Currently he is at level 261, once I champ him I will certainly try the other variation but for now...3/5/5 is pretty badass.

    You answered your own question. Provided the board is red rich, it can make cascades, sure. But the extra damage for those 2 green covers is a whole lot less variable, and even 3 purple mitigates that a lot (9123 plus a potential extra 4500 damage to the enemy team with 3 purple vs 3909 plus a potential extra 2415 to the enemy team with five.)
  • rkd80
    rkd80 Posts: 376
    You guys were correct.

    Ran him through PvP, PvE, SSIM with both variations. Green 5 is superior. The kill speed is tremendous - I understand why is #1 among some top MPQ players. He is a one stop shop and has dismantled entire teams by himself. He doesn't do well against 5*, but then again who does?

    he also strikes me as a potentially good partner for OML.
  • TxMoose
    TxMoose Posts: 4,319 Chairperson of the Boards
    rkd80 wrote:
    You guys were correct.

    Ran him through PvP, PvE, SSIM with both variations. Green 5 is superior. The kill speed is tremendous - I understand why is #1 among some top MPQ players. He is a one stop shop and has dismantled entire teams by himself. He doesn't do well against 5*, but then again who does?

    he also strikes me as a potentially good partner for OML.
    I'm not taking on 5*s yet routinely and am working my iceman up on levels now, but I think his cheap 4-turn stun would be great against OML or phoenix, obviously not against SS. you'd be chasing/denying, but would also be adding blue to the board with purple.
  • rkd80
    rkd80 Posts: 376
    I have taken on some mid-level 5*. In the lvl 350 range with about 4-5 covers. Mixed results. Yes his stun is good, but it really depends on the remaining team. If for example I can stun + kill due to some low level 3*, the game is relatively easy. If there are super beefy 4*, then the stun doesn't do much good. So far the absolute worst has been Phoenix. It struck me as a bit counter intuitive but her spamming red on the board outweighs what ice's purple(3) can do. She is nasty.

    Low level OML is not a huge problem.

    Silver Surfer is annoying because of his health + heal. You basically need to kill in one shot which is quite challenging.
  • Sandwichboy
    Sandwichboy Posts: 193 Tile Toppler
    rkd80 wrote:
    You guys were correct.

    Ran him through PvP, PvE, SSIM with both variations. Green 5 is superior. The kill speed is tremendous - I understand why is #1 among some top MPQ players. He is a one stop shop and has dismantled entire teams by himself. He doesn't do well against 5*, but then again who does?

    he also strikes me as a potentially good partner for OML.

    He's a fantastic partner for OML. Even one that isn't fully covered and leveled. A fully leveled Iceman and anything above 2/2/2 OML with say, SWitch for accelerating purple and blue is remarkably deadly.
  • frostCoH
    frostCoH Posts: 71 Match Maker
    After this gauntlet, I just want to say him being able to chain stun your entire team within 3 moves is absurd. His "build a snowman" is absurdly overpowered for its cost.
  • TxMoose
    TxMoose Posts: 4,319 Chairperson of the Boards
    frostCoH wrote:
    After this gauntlet, I just want to say him being able to chain stun your entire team within 3 moves is absurd. His "build a snowman" is absurdly overpowered for its cost.
    that would require BaS, followed by matching the cd away (or a game-starting cascade that gathers more than 12 ap where he punches it), another BaS, another matching away of the cd, and another BaS cast. that would take such a perfect board and execution, I bet that was just a run of real bad luck if that ice node did that to you. on the other hand, any powerful cheap skill in the hands of a good player can get crazy with some early match luck. I ran ice the entire time and my first and foremost concern was getting green, then purple. unless there was one key enemy (like px or hood), then I tried to start with 2 blue matches, but it never got to the entire team - that would take way more blue than I've ever found.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    frostCoH wrote:
    After this gauntlet, I just want to say him being able to chain stun your entire team within 3 moves is absurd.
    Was there a node with Iceman and two blue goon feeders that I didn't notice??
  • TxMoose
    TxMoose Posts: 4,319 Chairperson of the Boards
    simonsez wrote:
    frostCoH wrote:
    After this gauntlet, I just want to say him being able to chain stun your entire team within 3 moves is absurd.
    Was there a node with Iceman and two blue goon feeders that I didn't notice??
    no but that sounds about as fun as this carnage/muscle/muscle node on this heroic.
  • Insert25c
    Insert25c Posts: 48 Just Dropped In
    Exactly what the TinyKitty were the Devs smoking when they thought a 6cost 4 turn stun was balanced?
  • BlackSheep101
    BlackSheep101 Posts: 2,025 Chairperson of the Boards
    Insert25c wrote:
    Exactly what the TinyKitty were the Devs smoking when they thought a 6cost 4 turn stun was balanced?
    "This guy looks so creepy, we'd better make his powers awesome."

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