Made Man - August 23 - 26 - Season XVIII

Buret0

Nylarx wrote:

It should work with all attack tiles...someone should try Density: Heavy with Storm or Carnage, for science of course.

It won't do more damage PER attack tile though. It will do 1,000 damage (or whatever your density heavy bonus is) + the value of all of your attack tiles.

Iron fist is great because he guarantees that there is always an attack tile on the board.

What would be great is someone who could create cheap cascades on his color... but there's no great 3*+ for blue, the red ones might over tank or conflict on red/blue/yellow usage. Hulkbuster, if underlevel could make Vision tank Red and provide strike tiles that will add to the attack tile and match damage and turn useless greens into profitable reds... but he conflicts with density heavy on his blue.

Cyclops/Fist/Vision might be fun to try. Fist powers up Full Blast, cyclops makes red cascades, Vision powers up Fist's attack tile.

Unknown

Unholy Shuma Gorath. Vision is ridic.

It's on stream.

Ridiculousness.

Unknown

raisinbman wrote:

Unholy Shuma Gorath. Vision is ridic.

It's on stream.

Ridiculousness.

Seeing that you just attacked me, will I get my 2 minutes of fame? lol

Quebbster

Buret0 wrote:

dr tinykittylove wrote:

There are 500 people in a pvp bracket. You can get matched with anyone in your time slice, any bracket.

And don't waste hp on shields so early in the event! Points lost are negligible when your score is low and you can easily climb back off the retals later. I was boggled to find someone in my bracket shielded at 321 with more than 2 days left.

Getting over 150 points higher than the second place person meant that I should have been a pretty high value target.

Now that I know that you can queue up people in other leaderboards, I'm less concerned about shielding just because I'm in first place for my board.

Then again, if a bunch of the retaliations would have won against me, then the economy of the slice would be improved (they gain points, no one loses points). Unfortunately, the only two people who have attacked me lost.

Every lost game improves the economy of the slice. As long as you are under 1000 points the points you lose is less than thw points the opponent gains.

Nylarx

I tested it just now, and yeah it is only 1k extra. I have heard rumors that it used to be 1k per each of Storm's attack tiles, but either it was a fake rumor, or has been patched out

Moon Roach

Wow, KK / Prof X is doing the business for me. I'm taking down maxed teams with very little damage. 2 purple / blue boosts just to kick-start the rolling ball, KK's purple pretty much wins the day with match-5 creation.

Vision's Red Heavy Strike is surprisingly effective as an AoE attack.

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hexad_2808 wrote:

raisinbman wrote:

Unholy Shuma Gorath. Vision is ridic.

It's on stream.

Ridiculousness.

Seeing that you just attacked me, will I get my 2 minutes of fame? lol

yeah, you were on stream, lol

no joke - a family in africa was watching you get pummeled

Nylarx wrote:

I tested it just now, and yeah it is only 1k extra. I have heard rumors that it used to be 1k per each of Storm's attack tiles, but either it was a fake rumor, or has been patched out

"only" 1k extra? this is better than if Iron Fist was in his own event, pumped to 290. Seriously, run Vision/Iron Fist if you can help it.

Nylarx

It's 'only 1k extra' because I was expecting 1k x 32 with Storm, as this is what I heard happened, but never verified it myself.

I usually alternate between Vision/BP and IF/KK, as I feel KK looks more formidable, and watching the enemy burn in a hail of AoE moves is satisfying

dr tinykittylove

Splarne wrote:

Retals are still bugged. You have to be online and immediately retaliating or they could be lost when a second defeat comes.

Honestly I tend to ignore retals unless I know that they are likely to shield. The main thrust of my post was that attacks are inconsequential when your points are that low. You lose only a few points, and you'll have a lower apparent value when you make your climb back up and are less attractive to attackers.

Don't shield unless you are very near a progression you really want, or you can't play again before the end and your score is good enough for a placement reward that is useful to you (or to meet an alliance minimum). Float at whatever level you can maintain without being attacked too much, climb like hell, then shield when you run out of health or start getting attacked. Then hop or hide to the end or whatever.

(Also mostly because I am an absolute miser with hp since I'm f2p and have a weakness for roster slots. I generally refuse to shield below high 700/800.)

dr tinykittylove

Nylarx wrote:

It's 'only 1k extra' because I was expecting 1k x 32 with Storm, as this is what I heard happened, but never verified it myself.

It's never been 1k × 32. Attack tiles are always counted all together as one single damage source at the end of the turn even if you have tiles from IF, Doom, Torch and a Hailstorm Tu on the board. You'll notice they only proc strike tiles once.

TxMoose

this was a weird one for me. running 210vision/240bp/166fist, i never got hit. not once. pushed into the 600s yesterday, played one this morning put me at 725ish after i finished my bp black (thank you very much ddq) and a couple hrs later pushed to 950 and shielded. i don't ever remember another event where i never got hit. we'll see if i get any come in after this shield but dang...

btw that is a ridiculous team as long as you can find purple/blue/black matches. yellow and green and even red help but the other 3 are where it lies with them. saw one mostorm team out there and thought that was weird but reading through explains it - if they thought the bonus it was per attack tile.

Quebbster

TxMoose wrote:

this was a weird one for me. running 210vision/240bp/166fist, i never got hit. not once. pushed into the 600s yesterday, played one this morning put me at 725ish after i finished my bp black (thank you very much ddq) and a couple hrs later pushed to 950 and shielded. i don't ever remember another event where i never got hit. we'll see if i get any come in after this shield but dang...

btw that is a ridiculous team as long as you can find purple/blue/black matches. yellow and green and even red help but the other 3 are where it lies with them. saw one mostorm team out there and thought that was weird but reading through explains it - if they thought the bonus it was per attack tile.

I think the recent bug with the retaliation nodes has decreased the number of attacks significantly.

Unknown

raisinbman wrote:

"only" 1k extra? this is better than if Iron Fist was in his own event, pumped to 290. Seriously, run Vision/Iron Fist if you can help it.

No kidding. I know the consensus is that Vision sucks, but boosted Vision (thus in the center position) with a free attack tile is amazing. Gather 5 and you should have no problem killing anyone with less than 10k HP before the tile disappears. If you can pull off a in the meantime, 5000 AoE damage for 10 is also great value.


For most players, the free attack tile probably means IF, but in 4* land, you could also use Carnage, who isn't as squishy. He's a double-edged sword though, as you'll also be providing free attack tiles to your opponent, so he may not be such a great idea after all.

Quebbster

WolfmanX25 wrote:

raisinbman wrote:

"only" 1k extra? this is better than if Iron Fist was in his own event, pumped to 290. Seriously, run Vision/Iron Fist if you can help it.

No kidding. I know the consensus is that Vision sucks, but boosted Vision (thus in the center position) with a free attack tile is amazing. Gather 5 and you should have no problem killing anyone with less than 10k HP before the tile disappears. If you can pull off a in the meantime, 5000 AoE damage for 10 is also great value.


For most players, the free attack tile probably means IF, but in 4* land, you could also use Carnage, who isn't as squishy. He's a double-edged sword though, as you'll also be providing free attack tiles to your opponent, so he may not be such a great idea after all.

It's worth noting that Punisher is boosted for the week. It's a pity his Molotovs take a while to get going though.

ZeiramMR

Hmm, I came here to ask for feedback on best black AP partner for Vision / Kamala, but I guess I'll try the Iron Fist for a bit. Otherwise, I plan to swap around between BP, Blade, and Loki for the climb (dependent on the other team).

Xavier looks like it would be a solid plan but I need more covers in a better orientation (currently level-capped at 1/4/1).

Wintersmith

Wintersmith wrote:

I used Iron Fist (166), Luke Cage(166) and Vision (114, 5/4/3+1) to get to 800 point mark, where I got the 13th cover for Vision.
I have never witnessed a climb as easy as that was. After a couple of matches, I noticed that Heavy Density thing with Iron Fist. Couple of blue matches, you start doing +1200 dam per round. And whatever color you happen to get, it'll do damage.

This is my first event, where I'm pushing for 1000. For some reason, I'm nervous about this. And boy do I hate Jean Greys and Kamala Khans on the opposing team...

Edit: Ok, how the shields work? Do they make invisible to others or what? I get like 3 attacks during my 8 hour shield and 10 minutes after shield expires, I've lost like -200 points, even when winning matches meantime. What gives?

Buret0

Wintersmith wrote:

This is my first event, where I'm pushing for 1000. For some reason, I'm nervous about this. And boy do I hate Jean Greys and Kamala Khans on the opposing team...

Edit: Ok, how the shields work? Do they make invisible to others or what? I get like 3 attacks during my 8 hour shield and 10 minutes after shield expires, I've lost like -200 points, even when winning matches meantime. What gives?

Yeah, you are invisible while shielded, meaning people will no longer find you during that time. However, once your shield expires you are visible again. If this is near the end of an event, it could mean that people who are sitting there refreshing and looking for easy targets before breaking their shield will cue you up if you are sitting on a lot of points with a team that isn't as scary as the other high point teams.

Since you are invisible to new PvP node refreshes while shielded, the only time you can be attacked while shielded is if people are retaliating against you or they had you cued up before you shielded. If they attack you during the time you were shielded, you will not lose any points (but they still gain them... win/win) and if you win you gain points.

dr tinykittylove

Wintersmith wrote:

Ok, how the shields work? Do they make invisible to others or what? I get like 3 attacks during my 8 hour shield and 10 minutes after shield expires, I've lost like -200 points, even when winning matches meantime. What gives?

When you are shielded, people cannot find and attack you. Anyone who had you saved in a node can still attack, but you won't lose points.

Once your shield drops, you become visible again. When your score is high, everybody who finds you will naturally attack and you lose points fast.

Shield-hopping means you shield, find good targets while you sleep/get more health packs, then when you are ready break shield and play a few matches as fast as you can, then shield again. If you don't have a strong roster, best to keep within 1-2 matches, 3 if nobody seems to be playing. Even the strongest 4* teams are likely to be hit if they go out for 10 minutes.

xequalsy

Hit 1k for the first time in this PvP! Thanks to all the high scorers in S1. Next step, managing 1k whilst using less shields lol. I only technically needed 2 (3/8), but I hit the 1k with >3 hours to go, so I have to use another 3/8 to keep my score for the season. Sadly, my XFW is still only 1/4/3.

Sorry if I accidentally sniped you Pat03 (and the other guy I forgot the ID of, but I think you managed to retal when I was shielded so hopefully you got your points back!), I had you q'd from a few hours back and didn't know of a way to shield check you.

TxMoose

shield hopping is all about speed and minimizing your exposure. gotta be fast and get shielded again before hits come in. its a learning curve. stick with it. also, planning out hopping times is something you learn - to avoid being forced into a 24hr shield. i planned a 3/8/3 but usually do the 8hr with less than 8 hrs left in the event so if I'm satisfied with where i am, the 3 hr is optional. if something doesn't go well there is also the event ending for a quick match that I've used a couple of times. i pushed a little early on this one so i'll have to use that last 3 hr even though i don't need it - won't get me anything extra other than a few points.