1000 Points in PVP without Shielding

gmp72

Hi All,

A simple question for those who've done it.

Can you reach the 1000 Progression Reward in PVP without shielding ?

It doesn't matter if you subsequently get knocked down again, but can you reach 1000 to get that 4 prize ?

Anyone done it without using a shield ?

Unknown

i have yet to even get to 800 without shielding.... got close... 740s

Vhailorx

I have done it before; it's definitely possible.

Easier to do when the boosted featured character is fast, and not a slower, defensive player (so iron fist, rather than luke cage). Also easier in more active slices because the single most important factor is being able to find high-value targets quickly above 800.

If you are just trying to figure out how to get to 1k, I wouldn't worry if you have to use 1 3-hour shield as soon as you get above 900. That makes things much much easier and is still HP-profitable (ie sustainable over the long-run).

Wonko33

For me it depends on the featured character. I don't have the roster of 4* that keep people off my back

For the Captain Marvel I got to 1000 without shielding, got to just under 700, waited for my health packs to come back then completed the climb, it was actually my first 1300+ score

But Marvel was tanking red and black and feeding red and black AP to my HB, so it was fast matches

gmp72

With multiple sessions (No-shields), I usually reach the 800 mark, then put up a shield to get the placement reward (If I need it).

My concern is this :
What happens if you shield for 3 hours while waiting for your health packs.
Then break shield and while fighting the next 2 matches or so, lose 100-200 points and then you've just wasted the 3 hour shield ...
Isn't that what would usually happen ?

Unknown

A GMP. Yes it is possible. Members of the top crews do it every event. This past week a member of the Tacos dropped his first shield above 1400 points.

If you have a good enough team out to deter attacks, you can easily float in the 900-1000 point range and usually drop a first shield over 1100 points.

easy...marc

EDIT: And to address you question directly above. How much you get hit really depends on the team that you have out there. It sounds like you have a roster that may get picked on by higher level players if you attempted a hop. Who are your highest characters? What team are you running in Jean PVP?

In short, if you aren't there yet, just have patience and build your roster...eventually you will be able to put up a team that will deter hits. Good luck.

marc

wymtime

djsquillz wrote:

A GMP. Yes it is possible. Members of the top crews do it every event. This past week a member of the Tacos dropped his first shield above 1400 points.

If you have a good enough team out to deter attacks, you can easily float in the 900-1000 point range and usually drop a first shield over 1100 points.

easy...marc

EDIT: And to address you question directly above. How much you get hit really depends on the team that you have out there. It sounds like you have a roster that may get picked on by higher level players on hops. Who are your highest characters? What team are you running in Jean PVP?

In short, if you aren't there yet, just have patience and build your roster...eventually you will be able to put up a team that will deter hits. Good luck.

marc

Yea I normally hit the 1000 Mark and then use an 8hr shield to the end. My 4* are currently at 205. The big key is if you just want the 1000 go early. Less people are playing frantically and you will get hit less. The longer you wait the more likely you are to get hit while climbing especially if you are above 900 points. If you are trying to hit 1000 in the last 3hrs be prepared to have some setbacks as a lot of people are playing and climbing at that time.

fmftint

With 10 health packs and decent timing it's pretty easy.
I'll generally climb into 800s, fall back to high 600s low 700s, then push to 1k when health packs have recharged

gmp72

Yep ... My characters are Lvl 138 unboosted and Lvl 190s boosted, so probably an easy target.
As you say ... patience is needed ... But with all those 4 's out there ....

Vhailorx

gmp72 wrote:

Yep ... My characters are Lvl 138 unboosted and Lvl 190s boosted, so probably an easy target.
As you say ... patience is needed ... But with all those 4 's out there ....

138s will make it hard, even when using a shield, because you are such a tempting target.

It sounds like you still have some work to do on your 3* roster so I would focus on getting the 800 or 900 progs to keep building your 3*s. Don't sweat the 4*s too much right now. You will have plenty of time/opportunity to build them soon when you can field a PVP team with all three characters above 200 (ie a well-built featured character, plus two of the weekly boosteds).

But all of these advice above is useful. Remember to play at off-peak times. And play in chunks; it is better to play 3 matches in 30 minutes instead of 5 matches in 2 hours. And with your relatively weak pvp roster, minimize time unshielded above 800.

Unknown

gmp72 wrote:

Yep ... My characters are Lvl 138 unboosted and Lvl 190s boosted, so probably an easy target.
As you say ... patience is needed ... But with all those 4 's out there ....

Those levels are nothing to sneeze at...sounds like you are on the right track. The one thing to keep in mind is that if you are worth a lot of points to someone, say a player with a more veteran roster than yours, then yes you will be a juicy target. It's all about finding a strategy that allows you to meet your goals.

Are you trying to specifically hit 1K without a shield? Sometimes players try thing like this in an attempt to conserve HP. Try thinking about it like this...if you drop 225 HP on shields in order to hit a 4* progression cover worth 2500 HP...that's a very reasonable expenditure.

hope this info helps. marc

gmp72

Thanks for all the advice, guys.
Good stuff !

My 3 's are all more or less fully covered.
Just need ISO to level them up ...

TxMoose

LRs LRs LRs. ddq every day, lots of pvp, and pve when you can. iso actually isn't too bad because I'm still working on my ***s and they're starting to fill out but once I start my ****s, ugh, the iso it will take... I'd consider taking my 127s to 140. 140 boosts to 200 and the average and better become quite strong at that point. not sure if you're just leveling everyone one level at a time or what (typical pve player strategy), but getting a good group of maxed guys really helps (makes pve much less fun though).

grunth13

I have a question for some vets...you say that level 138 is ripe for the picking and players should continue building their characters. Well, I'm in a slightly different boat. I have 27 characters that are max covered (about 4 are not ideally covered but will get there with dpq in the next month or 2) but all leveled at 135. I have 4 more support characters like falcon, loki etc who are max covered at 114. I am slowly pumping iso as I get it into the 27, but since each level is now 2k iso, its a slow process. Can I get to 1000 in pvp without too much of an issue, or should i just wait my time and get them leveled up before trying?

GrumpySmurf1002

grunth13 wrote:

I have a question for some vets...you say that level 138 is ripe for the picking and players should continue building their characters. Well, I'm in a slightly different boat. I have 27 characters that are max covered (about 4 are not ideally covered but will get there with dpq in the next month or 2) but all leveled at 135. I have 4 more support characters like falcon, loki etc who are max covered at 114. I am slowly pumping iso as I get it into the 27, but since each level is now 2k iso, its a slow process. Can I get to 1000 in pvp without too much of an issue, or should i just wait my time and get them leveled up before trying?

Even leveling as you're doing is much more about making the 2* -> 3* transition easier than it is about sustaining as a 3* player. If you're really interested in PvP, just take the top tier up to 166 and leave the rest where they are. Your PvE scaling will take a relatively minor hit compared to the benefit you get from the extra PvP scoring.

Then you can save the 2k per level that a Mystique or Gamora doesn't really need, and focus that Iso on getting your 4* up to speed. With the Iso you'd save not taking 20 characters from 135->140, you can take a 4* from 70->225. The latter will have a much larger positive impact on your scoring.

Vhailorx

I don't think there is any right answer about leveling your roster, but there are several factors to consider.

In the current PVP meta, if your target is 1k, then you bascially need one of two things: (1) a very good 2 character combo that will always work regardless of boosting (the best available example is IMHB/IF, but some others will work as well); or (2) a very deep 3* all at level 140+ (or a large ISO stockpile so that you can level the weekly boosteds as necessary) which will let you field a the best possible 3* team from the weekly boosteds all at 200+ (preferably as close to 290/240/240).

so you can either focus on building up the best characters and rely on them almost exclusively, or you can spread the wealth around and mix and match as dictated by the weekly boosts. Either way, you need to field teams at or near the max level to reliably hit the 1k progs.

For myself, I leveled up the top tier 3*s close to 166, but left everyone else near 120. I stockpiled iso and then leveled up characters whenever they were boosted for an important pvp, or if I discovered that I liked playing them more than I expected. More recently, I have gotten imhb/if to a usable state and have started using that combo more to finish out PVP events quickly.

As for quillz cost-benefit analysis, he or she is right that spending a few hundred HP for a 2500HP cover is a fairly good deal, especially if the cover is your first cover in a particular color, or helps you build an important 4*. However, I would also advise players to consider to their HP income rate, rather than just the cost of direct buying 4* covers. Hitting 725 in a pvp = equals at least 100HP (without placement or alliance earnings). So using 1 3 hour shield is more or less sustainable (one must also account for roster slot costs). Once you get up to 225 HP or more per event, the costs begin to outstrip the return, so you will eventually have to buy HP (or find another source). I think the best strategy is to figure out if you can reliably hit 1k with 1 shield or less. If you can, do it all the time. If not, then don't try every time. Pick and choose those events that play to your roster strengths or offer a very valuable 4* cover (e.g. IMHB red or black, etc), and don't be shy about spending a bit more in those events.

udonomefoo

grunth13 wrote:

I have a question for some vets...you say that level 138 is ripe for the picking and players should continue building their characters. Well, I'm in a slightly different boat. I have 27 characters that are max covered (about 4 are not ideally covered but will get there with dpq in the next month or 2) but all leveled at 135. I have 4 more support characters like falcon, loki etc who are max covered at 114. I am slowly pumping iso as I get it into the 27, but since each level is now 2k iso, its a slow process. Can I get to 1000 in pvp without too much of an issue, or should i just wait my time and get them leveled up before trying?

I'm not a "vet" in terms of hitting 1000 consistently, but I was doing the exact same thing as you until a few weeks ago. I had everyone I cared about at 125 (about 15 chars) and the rest at 120. I got impatient with taking everyone up by one level at a time and maxed LThor, Cyc, CMags and Fist. It is soooo much easier now. Can't wait until next week when cyc is boosted. I'd highly recommend maxing a few that work well together, but if you aren't sitting on 250k iso like I was, then at least pick a handful and focus on them instead of taking up all 27 together.

Turbosmooth

grunth13 wrote:

I have a question for some vets...you say that level 138 is ripe for the picking and players should continue building their characters. Well, I'm in a slightly different boat. I have 27 characters that are max covered (about 4 are not ideally covered but will get there with dpq in the next month or 2) but all leveled at 135. I have 4 more support characters like falcon, loki etc who are max covered at 114. I am slowly pumping iso as I get it into the 27, but since each level is now 2k iso, its a slow process. Can I get to 1000 in pvp without too much of an issue, or should i just wait my time and get them leveled up before trying?

I'm someone who a my top 20 roster slowly build from 120 to 151 the past few months. I attempted every PvP and 1000 seemed like a dream until a few weeks ago and did my first two. At 150, I was able to hit two 1000's with 3 shields. But I haven't been able to hit 1000 even with shields lately. I had a shield up last night and I wasn't even attacked.

When I was about the 135 mark, I would use shields, just to stay top 100 and barely would get 575 progression.

My advice is to participate and do best as possible to gain ISO/covers. Once you can hit 650+ before shields, you can start thinking about doing a higher climb with shields. It is increasingly harder between 800, 900, and 1000.

simonsez

gmp72 wrote:

Can you reach the 1000 Progression Reward in PVP without shielding ?

If you have a strong roster, yes, it's really not hard to do. In fact, one player mentioned that in the last PvP, his first shield was at 1450. Seems hard to believe, but knowing what kinds of scores he typically posts, I absolutely believe it.

Dragon_Nexus

I don't really know how to shield hop, so I never bother.

If the boosted characters are ones I'm already pretty high level on I can do it. I've done it a few times already. It helps, apparently, to be in time slice 1 or 5, I tend to find this is true. I was in other slices and found maybe the top 5 reach 1000 and the top two are nearly at 1200. Slice 1 the other day for Psylocke had the top 1 at 1300, so reaching 1000 didn't bother me too much since all the fighting was higher up.

RWTDBurn

gmp72 wrote:

Hi All,

A simple question for those who've done it.

Can you reach the 1000 Progression Reward in PVP without shielding ?

It doesn't matter if you subsequently get knocked down again, but can you reach 1000 to get that 4 prize ?

Anyone done it without using a shield ?

I rarely if ever shield before 1000 anymore. Most of the time I'll climb up and hover around the 700 range then move closer to 800 in the last 24 hours or so. I'll take hits then retaliate against the ones worth points as to maintain my points level. When I'm ready to make my climb (usually with 10 - 14 hours left in the event) I'll climb to 1000-1100 range then throw down my first shield. After that I'll start my hopping to try to get to 1300. The key to this method though is to have a solid 3* and 4* roster. If there is any point of weakness on your 3 man team then it's much harder to hover around 700 - 800 without constantly getting knocked down and your risk of getting sniped on your climb to 1k is much greater.

There's some very good advise on this thread already. Just keep leveling those 3*s and building your roster and you'll get there.