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  • lukewin
    lukewin Posts: 1,356 Chairperson of the Boards
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    Buret0 wrote:
    The annoying part: having to keep checking the info on your duplicates to make sure that you are sending in the right one. Sometimes one will be listed first, sometimes the other. The sort seems completely random.

    Yup. Woke up just now, I had fell asleep, wasn't around to break shield (#978), play match(es), reshield til end of Women of Marvel. Only 2 attacks, so fell to 915. Took on one retal, didn't realize, my dupe SW (boosted to 45) was in. Double tapped the retal. Came out to an attack, fought another match or 2 with 200 SW in. Was at 1011, took on another match with Charlie's Angels. Won but had attack notice waiting. Shielded at 1014 outside top 25, multiple bounces since, but I expect that based on a defense team of 200 Cap Marvel, 200 KK, 45 SW. I wouldn't blame people for multiple taps against that team. Was really going for fast matches to try to mitigate the losses I expect after having that team out, even if only for a short while.
  • Ruinate
    Ruinate Posts: 528 Critical Contributor
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    I'd like some opinions on a duplicate 3* Cyclops specced 355. There are so many great red powers in 4* land and since transitioners will often mix 3* and 4*, I feel a battery Cyclops might be valuable. At least until I can get a 355 duplicate Hulkbuster. However, when I look at my duplicate Hood at 355, all I see is wasted ISO. So should I dump my Hood for Cyclops? Get both? Dump both?

    On a side note, I think everybody should build a second Scarlet Witch. 535 and 355.
  • lukewin
    lukewin Posts: 1,356 Chairperson of the Boards
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    Ruinate wrote:
    I'd like some opinions on a duplicate 3* Cyclops specced 355. There are so many great red powers in 4* land and since transitioners will often mix 3* and 4*, I feel a battery Cyclops might be valuable. At least until I can get a 355 duplicate Hulkbuster. However, when I look at my duplicate Hood at 355, all I see is wasted ISO. So should I dump my Hood for Cyclops? Get both? Dump both?

    On a side note, I think everybody should build a second Scarlet Witch. 535 and 355.

    Get both, but maybe not level your 355 Cyclops. Would make him viable in PVE only. I use my lvl 40 355 Cyclops all the time, even in the Normal PVE nodes, with Daredevil. Allows for lots of kicks to the face. If I'm looking for red AP, I use IM40. I have 3 SW, 2 are 535 and the 3rd will be too.
  • Duplicate characters in addition to being loss of iso and Hp is disrespectful to the other characters. Not any character I duplicate and repeated already sold almost all, just missing Thor 2 * but need Iso to maximize Captain Marvel 2 *. For now I prefer to put iso on my last 3 * and 4 * incomplete.
  • Buret0
    Buret0 Posts: 1,591
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    vinicius18 wrote:
    Duplicate characters in addition to being loss of iso and Hp is disrespectful to the other characters. Not any character I duplicate and repeated already sold almost all, just missing Thor 2 * but need Iso to maximize Captain Marvel 2 *. For now I prefer to put iso on my last 3 * and 4 * incomplete.

    Some characters are so good that you want multiple configurations.

    5/3/5 and 3/5/5 4Pool. One for the nuke (and alliance covers), one to pair with a tank like Thing.
    3/5/5 and 5/5/3 KK. One for the nuke (and alliance covers), one for the battery and team healing.
    5/3/5 and 5/5/3 JG. One for the AoE (and alliance covers), one for anti-battery defense.

    Sometimes you just want to give away a specific cover to alliance teammates.

    Everyone With Me Star-Lord with 5 yellow covers and nothing else.
    MBW with just her stun covers.
    Juggs without the Headbutt.
    Daredevil with just Ambush.
    She Hulk with just Furious Charge.
    Steve Rodgers without the yellow.
    Rocket and Groot with just I Got a Plan.

    If you are at the point in your game where you can roster duplicates of 4*s, you probably can afford the 1000 HP to roster them and still keep all of the 3*s, some of the 2*s, a couple of 1*s, and a revolving spot for the other 2*s.
  • lukewin
    lukewin Posts: 1,356 Chairperson of the Boards
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    Edited previous post instead of posting reply, so bumping now

    A little less than 2 months later (Nov 17), some feedback after the feedback from the initial 2 months later (Sep 22).

    Past quotes on overall progress
    Only if HP is not an issue for you. I have started building dupes. I'm up to 92 roster slots, 23 dupes (4 4*, 18 3*, 1 2*). Originally, it was only going to be true healers and characters I primarily used in PVE and PVP, to save even more on healthpacks. I was sitting on 14k HP, and it only kept growing (only use 1-2 shields in PVP). Once they capped the roster slots at 1k, I decided dupes wouldn't be a bad option. I originally hoarded HP with the intention of buying roster slots, as needed for new characters. Down to 3725 HP now. Trying to keep 5k banked away, but I keep buying roster slots for dupes.
    Added 25 roster slots in the past 2 months, new characters, and now 36 dupes (9 4*, 27 3*). Never more than 1k HP banked away, b/c I've always ended up rostering a new character or new dupe.

    Made a mistake in the Sep 22 post. I had added 15 roster slots in those 2 months, not 25. I've only added 9 slots in the past 2 months, new characters, and now 45 dupes (13 4*, 30 3*, 1 2*). One of the 3* and the 2* dupes are only for Juggs Heroic, will be replaced with a 1* character and other might be a rotating slot for Essential dupe or 2* Essential I don't have rostered. I had over 3k HP banked again, but decided to add MBW and 1* Storm back to my roster. 1* Storm will be rebuilt after Juggs Heroic in place of the 3rd Thor I have. Now have 1175 HP and will try to grow the HP hoard again.

    Past quotes on specific progress
    Out of the 40 3*s, I only need BP black, KK green, IF purple, and whatever build I decide to build Bullseye at, who is currently 5/1/5. So after the next cycle of Deadpool's Daily, with the exception of Bullseye, I wouldn't be able to use any 3* covers. It's always pained me to sell 3* and 4* covers I couldn't use, b/c I haven't forgotten how rare they used to be. There was a point where I'd have 9 covers of a 3* character, due to token pulls, Deadpool's daily, PVE/PVP, figured why not go ahead and build a dupe. Building dupes has allowed me to have something to go after now. I look forward to Deadpool daily covers, and it's like I've started the game over, but with a roster that can do PVE and PVP. Now, I'm hoarding ISO and collecting covers again.
    Finished BP and IF and actually started dupes for both; BP 2/2/3 and IF 1/2/4. I had swapped my KK to 5/5/3 but then the dupe ended up 4/5/0, so I changed my KK to 4/5/4 and will finish her at 3/5/5 with next Deadpool's Daily. Feeling the pain of selling 3* covers again, since I can't justify having triples, exception being SW, IF and IM40. Already have the IM40 triple and will roster a 1/1/0 SW triple once I get the HP. I was able to build a 5/4/4 Hulk in less than 2 weeks. Originally wasn't going to build a dupe for Hulk, but couldn't turn it down when I had all those covers. Up to 855k ISO and selling covers again.

    Almost done with the 3* dupes, if I hadn't just started a 2/2/2 Beast (aiming for 5/5/3). Need 1 Bullseye purple, 1 GSBW purple, 2 Loki greens, 1 KK green, missed last Deadpool red by not merc'ing for a PVP this past season. The 2 hardest 3* to cover have been Hood and IF. Hood is 4/3/4, and think I might want my dupe at 3/5/5 since I have a 5/5/3. IF is 3/3/5 going for 3/5/5 since I have a 5/5/3 already. Haven't started my IF triple yet, but SW is progressing nicely at 3/1/4 and IM40 is at 2/2/2. One more blue on SW and both triples are usable for me. I was up to over 1.6m ISO, but leveled my 4* and some dupes. At 687k ISO right now.

    The 4* dupes are only there so I don't waste the covers I can't use from my LTs.

    Past quotes on a reset on PVE scaling and usefulness of dupes
    If they ever do decide to do a reset on PVE scaling, I'll only be using my dupes, which would let me fly thru PVE using fully covered, under leveled characters, which is why I'm making sure I have a lvl 70 of each 4*.

    Dupes also come in handy when they're the essential in PVE. I don't mind that my main character / essential goes down, cuz I'll just take a dupe in. One healthpack saved. Some people have a rotating slot for 2* essential, I might have a slot for the 3* essential, if it's not a character I want to build a dupe for.
    Don't think they'll ever do a reset on PVE scaling, but am still finding them useful in PVE. A few characters are cover dependent, not level dependent, so their powers are nice (IM40 yellow, Doom blue, Sam Wilson blue, SW blue, LCap red/blue overwrite, Loki black, GSBW purple, Thor yellow, KK purple, etc.). I like using the lower level dupes in PVE thinking it helps with scaling. It might not, but reality is belief, and I believe it kinda does.

    Still feel the same way about their usefulness in PVE. The cover dependent ones have stayed at level 40, but I took the level dependent 3* to 120, so they could possibly save on healthpacks in PVP and serve a purpose in PVE. Then I encountered a problem with dupes, and it makes me really glad I didn't take them to 140. You can not use a dupe of the featured character in PVP. It puts in the loaner instead. I've opened this thread in the Bugs subforum but have received no response. I also created a ticket and only got the automated reply asking for more details, which I responded to but have not heard back from.

    Past quotes on wrap up
    I wish I had done this earlier, because by now, some of the dupes would've gotten leveled up, while a 3rd was getting covers collected for it. The only dupe I wish I had started, and not sold a bunch of covers for, is Gamora. After her and IF were boosted for PVE/PVP this week, and I found that those 2 with OBW is an awesome team in BoP. Pretty sure I sold about 8-9 covers for her. I have one red, and red is coming up in DPD, so I will be building a dupe.
    I am now thinking I'm not gonna level any of the dupes. Don't think saving on healthpacks in PVP is going to help me as much as I thought it might, b/c it'd just give me more time to go thru the ups and downs. I'll just keep relying on luck and my shield 1 match from 1k strategy to keep it hitting 1k in PVP. Gamora dupe lowest covered dupe, 0/2/1. Still regret selling those covers. She and IF were boosted again, and it reminded me of how much I found them useful the first time.

    As I stated earlier, I have leveled the level dependent dupes, but due to a bug, am not able to use a dupe of a featured character in their PVP. I should be more upset about this, but my expectations of Demiurge and D3 Go! are so low, that I'm not surprised that I've encountered this problem and heard nothing back about it. Finally finished that Gamora dupe though. I've taken a handful of 4* to 200 and the ones that can reach 160 to that level. Hoping this helps me hit 1k without shielding in PVP. Was able to do that in the Storm PVP of the offseason between Season XX and XXI.

    Previous list of dupes, don't think it's possible to spoiler with a spoiler nested
    I now have the following 23 dupes. The 4* are lvl 140 (Fury is 160) and lvl 70. The 3* are lvl 140 and lvl 40. The 2* are lvl 94 and lvl 15.
    5/1/2 and 1/0/0 Carnage
    5/3/3 and 1/0/0 Elektra
    5/5/3 and 1/1/0 Fury (have sold a lot of Fury's)
    3/5/4 and 0/1/0 IW

    3/5/5 and 4/3/4 Blade
    3/5/5 and 3/3/3 Cap America
    3/5/5 and 5/4/3 Cap Marvel
    5/3/5 and 1/4/2 Cyclops
    5/5/3 and 2/2/4 Daken
    5/5/3 and 0/1/0 Deadpool
    5/5/3 and 3/5/3 Falcon
    4/4/5 and 1/0/0 IF
    5/5/2 and 5/5/2 IM40
    4/5/4 and 1/0/0 KK
    5/3/5 and 3/2/2 Loki
    5/3/5 and 1/2/1 Luke Cage
    3/5/5 and 0/1/1 Magneto
    5/3/5 and 5/3/2 R&G
    5/3/5 and 1/3/1 SW
    5/3/5 and 1/1/3 Storm
    3/5/5 and 3/0/1 Thor
    5/3/5 and 5/0/4 Patch

    3/5/5 and 3/5/5 OBW
    I now have the following 36 dupes. The 4* are lvl 140 (Fury and Wolverine are 160) and lvl 70. The 3* are lvl 140 and lvl 40. The OBW dupe is gone.

    Build (Previous Build) and Dupe Build (Previous Dupe Build)
    5/2/4 (5/1/2) and 4/0/0 (1/0/0) Carnage
    5/4/3 (5/3/3) and 1/0/1 (1/0/0) Elektra
    3/5/5 (3/5/4) and 1/2/0 (0/1/0) IW
    5/5/3 (5/5/3) and 2/2/2 (1/1/0) Nick Fury

    New 4* dupes
    3/2/1 and 1/0/0 Deadpool
    5/3/3 and 0/0/1 Iron Man
    5/4/1 and 2/1/0 Professor X
    5/3/5 and 0/3/0 Thor
    5/5/3 and 2/0/1 Wolverine

    Current Build if different from (Previous Build) and Dupe Build (Previous Dupe Build)
    (3/5/5) and 3/5/5 (4/3/4) Blade
    (3/5/5) and 5/5/3 (5/4/3) Cap Marvel
    (5/3/5) and 3/5/5 (1/4/2) Cyclops
    (5/5/3) and 4/5/4 (2/2/4) Daken
    (5/5/3) and 1/3/0 (0/1/0) Deadpool
    5/5/3 (4/4/5) and 1/2/4 (1/0/0) IF
    (5/5/2) and 5/5/2 (5/5/2) IM40
    4/5/4 after 5/5/3 for a bit (4/5/4) and 4/5/0 (1/0/0) KK
    (5/3/5) and 5/4/3 (3/2/2) Loki
    (5/3/5) and 3/4/4 (1/2/1) Luke Cage
    (3/5/5) and 0/3/3 (0/1/1) Magneto
    (5/3/5) and 3/5/5 (5/3/2) R&G
    (5/5/3) and 3/5/5 (3/5/3) Sam Wilson
    (3/5/5) and 3/5/5 (3/3/3) Steve Rogers
    (5/3/5) and 5/4/4 (1/3/1) SW
    (5/3/5) and 2/3/5 (1/1/3) Storm
    (3/5/5) and 4/3/4 (3/0/1) Thor
    (5/3/5) and 5/2/5 (5/0/4) Patch

    New 3* dupes
    5/3/5 and 2/2/3 Black Panther
    5/3/5 and 4/3/4 Black Widow
    5/5/3 and 1/2/1 Bullseye
    3/5/5 and 2/5/5 Doctor Doom
    3/5/5 and 0/2/1 Gamora
    5/5/2, 5/5/2 dupe and 1/2/2 Iron Man
    5/5/3 and 2/3/0 The Hood
    5/3/5 and 5/4/4 The Hulk
    5/5/3 and 3/1/1 Vision

    Most recent list of dupes
    2*
    15 Storm 1, 1, 0 (only for Juggs Heroic)

    3*
    120 Black Panther 5, 3, 5
    120 Blade 3, 5, 5
    120 Bullseye 4, 5, 4
    120 Gamora 3, 5, 5
    120 Luke Cage 3, 5, 5
    120 Magneto 3, 5, 5
    120 Vision 5, 5, 3
    120 Wolverine 5, 3, 5
    102 Black Widow 5, 3, 4
    40 Captain Marvel 5, 5, 3
    40 Cyclops 3, 5, 5
    40 Daken 5, 4, 4
    40 Doctor Doom 3, 5, 5
    40 Loki 5, 5, 3
    40 Rocket & Groot 3, 5, 5
    40 Sam Wilson 3, 5, 5
    40 Scarlet Witch 5, 3, 5
    40 Steve Rogers 3, 5, 5
    40 Storm 5, 3, 5
    40 The Hulk 5, 3, 5
    40 Thor 3, 5, 5
    40 Iron Man 5, 5, 2
    40 Kamala Khan 5, 5, 2
    40 Iron Fist 3, 3, 5
    40 The Hood 4, 3, 4
    40 Deadpool 4, 5, 0
    40 Scarlet Witch 3, 1, 4
    40 Beast 2, 2, 2
    40 Iron Man 2, 2, 2
    40 Thor 0, 1, 0 (only for Juggs Heroic)

    4*
    70 Thor 3, 5, 1
    70 Carnage 5, 0, 1
    70 Wolverine 3, 1, 3
    70 Nick Fury 3, 2, 2
    70 Professor X 4, 2, 0
    70 Deadpool 4, 0, 0
    70 Invisible Woman 2, 3, 0
    70 Elektra 1, 2, 2
    70 Iron Man 0, 0, 3
    70 Jean Grey 0, 2, 1
    70 Devil Dinosaur 1, 1, 1
    70 Kingpin 0, 0, 1
    70 Sam Wilson 1, 0, 0
  • TxMoose
    TxMoose Posts: 4,319 Chairperson of the Boards
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    I'm realizing that unless you can grab hp whenever you like with little/no restrictions, dupes just don't make sense (edit: for me). I had a fist dupe that started well but just sat at 4-5 covers for forever and when I got a dupe jean cover, bye bye fist. thor will get sold. thinking of keeping hood and loki around. I think long-term I'm only going to end up with 2 dupes of 3* and then whatever dupe 4* of top notch characters I can reasonably keep.