Who are the real top tier 3 stars for pvp?

jimstarooney

Off the top of my head cyc kamala and wanda these 3 I think are the top of the top tier, the new breed of 3 stars.cage Fist Lthor too.hood is and isnt because of his widespread availability nowadays.every1 has one and all u have to do to beat him is bring your own (same could be said for Lthor).

SnowcaTT

I maxed the best "old" ones first: Thor, Hood, Loki. Hulk, Patch together, BP, Daken for annoyance. It shows you they were great considering most of those (Hulk, Patch, Daken, Loki, Hood) were the only ones not to get health boosts when all the other characters did. Several new ones are up there: IF likely best overall now, Cage/Cyc/KK all great as well. In sim I currently run Thor/DP/Hood, but when I get the right covers and ISO it will be SW/IF/Cage.

Check out the pinned character rankings post: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=29852
I don't agree with all of them (Cap/Blade are great in PVE, less so in PVP), but you'll get a good overall idea there.

OzarkBoatswain

Iron Fist is #1
then
The Hood
Loki
Captain America with Hood in PVE
Kamala Khan
Cyclops
Scarlet Witch

jimstarooney

Im gonna change it to pvp as I hardly ever play pve only for iso or to grind a cover I really want/need.im also gonna split them into top tier/great/useful and bad when I have time as I think this will help newer players that are looking to lvl up characters but are not sure which to start with.

wymtime

My 3* simulator team is IF, Cage, Cyclops. It is fast has 3 big nukes and IF kills any Hood/Loki, as well as accelerates black.
Once I get SW covered I will mess around with her with DP, but from a health standpoint it feels light. SW is really great with Profesor X since her blue will get a lot of critical tiles. Syou put her with Profesor X and GSBW and once you get her CD to go off it is Game over.

For 3* only I would pair her with KK and Luke Cage. Purple to green to killing time.

I only use Hood sparingly now for high level PVE nodes where I really need to deny AP at all cost.

jimstarooney

Right here goes...
TOP TIER (PRIORITY, YOU WANT TO BUILD YOUR TEAM ROUND THESE)
Scarlet Witch
Iron Fist
Kamala
Hood
Lthor
Luke Cage
Cyclops

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GREAT(UNDERESTIMATE THESE GUYS AND THEY WILL PUNISH YOU)
Panther
Squirrel girl
Loki
Cmags
Blade
Daken
Hulk
Deadpool
LCap
Rocket and Groot
Torch
Patch
Dr Doom

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USEFUL(HAVE A PURPOSE,AND IN THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES CAN OCCASIONALLY BE GREAT)
Mystique
Sentry
Colossus
Gamora
Storm
Daredevil
Iron Man
Psylocke
Spidey
Widow
Ms marvel
Falcon
QQuicksilver
Punisher
Beast
Doc oc

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BAD(DONT BOTHER)

RAGNAROK
SHE HULK

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JURYS OUT(EITHER I DONT HAVE ENOUGH COVERS,OR I THREW THEM AWAY AND THEY HAVE BEEN RE-DONE/STILL SUCK


Bullseye
Vision

Unknown

Why is Scarlet Witch so highly praised? I find her useful but must be missing something.

OnesOwnGrief

Rosraf Ro Denn wrote:

Why is Scarlet Witch so highly praised? I find her useful but must be missing something.

Her blue can auto-crit into PX's Blue. Not only that, it gives him AP to activate his Purple. He can then boost special tiles like nobody's business. Highly effective. Also accelerates GSBW quite a bit (who is also currently buffed dealing over 5k per sniper rifle at 240). Kingpin gives people the strong fingering. Basically, she kick starts a lot of characters who need purple to get started.

jimstarooney

My sim team is cyc/kk/sw.i can go to bed knowing that i wont have lost many pts when i wake up.i levelled doom up to max to make blacks for cyc but funnily enough with all the mega cascades going on i can get blacks up faster with this team.

Nick441234

I'd also say Doom is a lot more than just useful. His purple will REALLY hurt you if you let him get down enough traps. He creates blacks and also throws down attack tiles for fun.

jimstarooney

nick_chicane wrote:

I'd also say Doom is a lot more than just useful. His purple will REALLY hurt you if you let him get down enough traps. He creates blacks and also throws down attack tiles for fun.

all valid pts tbh i mainly saw him as a black generator that was situational at best,moved to the great section

Nick441234

jimstarooney wrote:

nick_chicane wrote:

I'd also say Doom is a lot more than just useful. His purple will REALLY hurt you if you let him get down enough traps. He creates blacks and also throws down attack tiles for fun.

all valid pts tbh i mainly saw him as a black generator that was situational at best,moved to the great section

I'd agree with that. He's not a top tier 3*, but he definitely belongs in the tier down from that.

GrumpySmurf1002

IMO:

In current PvP, there are very few strong enough to warrant consideration when they're not boosted. 3Thor, Fist, Cage. That's really the list. Even GSBW/Scarlet, while amazing with ProfX, are effectively cannon fodder on defense, so they can't be considered true top tier.

For shield simulator, where there aren't boosts, the list opens a bit. That's where you have Hood, Loki, Cyclops, Kamala, and a couple more depending on taste.

jimstarooney

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

IMO:

In current PvP, there are very few strong enough to warrant consideration when they're not boosted. 3Thor, Fist, Cage. That's really the list. Even GSBW/Scarlet, while amazing with ProfX, are effectively cannon fodder on defense, so they can't be considered true top tier.

For shield simulator, where there aren't boosts, the list opens a bit. That's where you have Hood, Loki, Cyclops, Kamala, and a couple more depending on taste.

I was umming and aahing over loki he has better health than hood and against ai can be tricked into giving ap back but i feel hes not quite there,i would rather take hood in especially against high lvl opponents that dont have one.same for cmags he has two great powers and if he had a 3rd would definitely be top tier.so almost for me but not quite.

Vhailorx

jimstarooney wrote:

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

IMO:

In current PvP, there are very few strong enough to warrant consideration when they're not boosted. 3Thor, Fist, Cage. That's really the list. Even GSBW/Scarlet, while amazing with ProfX, are effectively cannon fodder on defense, so they can't be considered true top tier.

For shield simulator, where there aren't boosts, the list opens a bit. That's where you have Hood, Loki, Cyclops, Kamala, and a couple more depending on taste.

I was umming and aahing over loki he has better health than hood and against ai can be tricked into giving ap back but i feel hes not quite there,i would rather take hood in especially against high lvl opponents that dont have one.same for cmags he has two great powers and if he had a 3rd would definitely be top tier.so almost for me but not quite.

I think loki is significantly under-rated relative to hood because hood has always been awesome while loki's value only took off when they released his green power in what, january '15?

Loki's ap theft is arguably more controllable than hood (since the ai will always take a match-4 if available), and it also provides insurance against brutal enemy cascades, which hood doesn't

It's true that hood has a nuke and loki doesnt, but loki has more health, destroys any enemy team that relies on strike or protect tiles, AND has a low cost purple that is wildly good. I think he is basically as good as hood, and the only way to choose between them is based on enemy team and color coverage.

as for the original question (i.e. for pvp), I would say:

Top Tier(Probably should not be left out if they are healthy becuase they are some combination of fast, damaging, or great scarecrows):
Cage
Cyclops
Iron Fist
Khan

Very Good Tier (usually worth bringing along if they fit on your team):
Lazy Thor
Loki
Hood
Patch (provided the team has some strategy to deal with berserker rage)
Doom
Blade
Black Panther
cMags

Good Tier (useable when boosted, or agaisnt very specific opponents):
Daken
Deadpool
R&G
Gamora
Cap Marvel
Hulk
Lazy Cap
She Hulk
psylocke
punisher
MoStorm
Squirrel Girl
mystique
Torch
Falcon
GSBW (except when running prof. x)
IM40
daredevil


Bad Tier (probably not worth the effort):
Beast
Rags
Quick Silver
Vision

Caveat Tier (don't have them well enough covered to know if she is great):
Scarlet Witch
doc oc
bullseye

and I probably forgot a few too.

jimstarooney

Vhailorx wrote:

jimstarooney wrote:

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

IMO:

In current PvP, there are very few strong enough to warrant consideration when they're not boosted. 3Thor, Fist, Cage. That's really the list. Even GSBW/Scarlet, while amazing with ProfX, are effectively cannon fodder on defense, so they can't be considered true top tier.

For shield simulator, where there aren't boosts, the list opens a bit. That's where you have Hood, Loki, Cyclops, Kamala, and a couple more depending on taste.

I was umming and aahing over loki he has better health than hood and against ai can be tricked into giving ap back but i feel hes not quite there,i would rather take hood in especially against high lvl opponents that dont have one.same for cmags he has two great powers and if he had a 3rd would definitely be top tier.so almost for me but not quite.

I think loki is significantly under-rated relative to hood because hood has always been awesome while loki's value only took off when they released his green power in what, january '15?

Loki's ap theft is arguably more controllable than hood (since the ai will always take a match-4 if available), and it also provides insurance against brutal enemy cascades, which hood doesn't

It's true that hood has a nuke and loki doesnt, but loki has more health, destroys any enemy team that relies on strike or protect tiles, AND has a low cost purple that is wildly good. I think he is basically as good as hood, and the only way to choose between them is based on enemy team and color coverage.

as for the original question (i.e. for pvp), I would say:

Top Tier(Probably should not be left out if they are healthy becuase they are some combination of fast, damaging, or great scarecrows):
Cage
Cyclops
Iron Fist
Khan

Very Good Tier (usually worth bringing along if they fit on your team):
Lazy Thor
Loki
Hood
Patch (provided the team has some strategy to deal with berserker rage)
Doom
Blade
Black Panther
cMags

Good Tier (useable when boosted, or agaisnt very specific opponents):
Daken
Deadpool
R&G
Gamora
Cap Marvel
Hulk
Lazy Cap
She Hulk
psylocke
punisher
MoStorm
Squirrel Girl
mystique
Torch
Falcon
GSBW (except when running prof. x)
IM40
daredevil


Bad Tier (probably not worth the effort):
Beast
Rags
Quick Silver
Vision

Caveat Tier (don't have them well enough covered to know if she is great):
Scarlet Witch
doc oc
bullseye

and I probably forgot a few too.

loki is fairly easy to beat though and if i have a hood any ap loki earns can be sucked back off him
.and lthor is top tier no question he has 2 powerful moves one feeds the other and his red very occasionally feeds his yellow and is fairly low ap.

Malcrof

Daredevil, Cyclops, 3* Bullseye make for a monstrous deadly combo. Get some trap tiles out, then cyclops can wipe entire teams with good placement and cascades of mutant revolutionary. Bullseye for active purple and green when needed.

This team is wreaking havoc in shield sim (takes a few turns to get going), even got me some defensive wins. No black covers for my bullseye though, that would be fun.

hurcules

While Loki is easy to beat since he lacks fire power, he has 3 things going for him:

1) his 5 AP Illusion can really mess up your plan. It's not uncommon to find Loki getting many AP for his heavy-hitting friends after an Illusion cast.

2) his passive Mischief can really slow down shield-hops when time is of the essence. The frustration of not able to do match-4s or match-5s during a shield hop cannot be overstated.

3) he has slightly more health than Hood that you can't one-shot him from full health easily.

Unknown

Vhailorx wrote:

as for the original question (i.e. for pvp), I would say:

Top Tier(Probably should not be left out if they are healthy becuase they are some combination of fast, damaging, or great scarecrows):
Cage
Cyclops
Iron Fist
Khan

Very Good Tier (usually worth bringing along if they fit on your team):
Lazy Thor
Loki
Hood
Patch (provided the team has some strategy to deal with berserker rage)
Doom
Blade
Black Panther
cMags

Good Tier (useable when boosted, or agaisnt very specific opponents):
Daken
Deadpool
R&G
Gamora
Cap Marvel
Hulk
Lazy Cap
She Hulk
psylocke
punisher
MoStorm
Squirrel Girl
mystique
Torch
Falcon
GSBW (except when running prof. x)
IM40
daredevil


Bad Tier (probably not worth the effort):
Beast
Rags
Quick Silver
Vision

Caveat Tier (don't have them well enough covered to know if she is great):
Scarlet Witch
doc oc
bullseye

and I probably forgot a few too.

I am a huge fan of Doc Ock at 5/5/3. All of the recent character releases have some sort of special tile that triggers Ock's black (He is down right cruel with carnage) and his blue causes cascades plus wipes out a ton of the enemies special tiles. For teams with ProfX, Carnage, MStorm, Daken, Blade, etc.. he absolutely destroys those teams. I would put him in the Good tier for most teams and great against ProfX/Carnage

Phaserhawk

I'm gonna have to slow you guys up a bit. I keep seeing Rags, Beast, Vision, and Quicksilver bashing

Quicksilver by himself is bad but with the right team PX/IF you have infinite turn.

Rags, yeah he's hurting although works okay with Xforce and QS

Vision is not bad, he's just required to be fully leveled and maxed and tanking. If you've had the privilege of eating a Loki Illusions cascade with Visions blue out you haven't lived

Beast is not bad at all, he's R&G light, he's quicker, more damaging but less resilient I mean Beast's green can blow up the board and do 2K AoE. R&G is just target. In addition while Beast's blue is at best Half as good as R&G's blue it's also twice as fast to cast and twice as fast to resolve

Rags, IM40, Spidey are probably your bot tier and probably QS since by himself he's not good

elvy75

Real top tier 3* in pvp is anyone who is boosted that week. Only ones who can be seen outside of them are lthor, cage and if. The situation is different for simulator, where kk, sw, cyke, loki and hood can be seen as well.