Oscorp Heroic Mode

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Madjam wrote:

Tomorrow anything could happen. Event restart, event opened up to all characters, current characters all buffed, actually fixing the event(unlikely) the list is endless.

I don't expect the event to change at all tomorrow. Even though I'm stuck with less than 300 points and I'm outside the top 100, I don't really want it to change this close to the end. It wouldn't be fair to some of the people that actually have beaten the odds and accomplished something in this mess.

I do want some kind of substantive forum presence from the devs though, explaining what went wrong and why it won't go wrong for a 3rd straight event.

Moral

I think a good olive branch would be a good old free for all tourney with progressions of a heroic token at 200, 3 star cover at 400 and 4 star cover at 800. 200 person brackets like the broken heroic

No buffs, easy progression targets and small brackets.

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For me i think the AI should play kind of fair. I noticed that the maggia are 1 star enemies. Is it not true that the more stars you have, the weaker you should be as you are "common"? If that's so, why do the maggia have such high life totals and damage totals? I will shut up once i see 1 star heroes have around the same life. Storm with 7000. Juggernaut with 15000 (he's juggernaut after all) etc.

Or they can make it so that the highest life for 1 star characters is something like 4000. Also they cannot exceed level 50. I find it so weird that the HUMAN maggia can overpower the god of thunder. Or magneto. Or the hulk.

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Another way this might work is if the placement reset every month for say a 300 HP entrance fee, while your progression rating is persistent (though each reset only uses whatever you earned since last month). I imagine it'd take about 3 months or so to hit the 50K unless you do nothing but heroics, so it's like paying 900 HP for 3 covers, though I may be greatly overestimating people's endurance here. Sure, some guys will be able to do it in one month easy, but those guys are never really hurting for covers in the first place.

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pulis wrote:

For me i think the AI should play kind of fair. I noticed that the maggia are 1 star enemies. Is it not true that the more stars you have, the weaker you should be as you are "common"? If that's so, why do the maggia have such high life totals and damage totals? I will shut up once i see 1 star heroes have around the same life. Storm with 7000. Juggernaut with 15000 (he's juggernaut after all) etc.

Or they can make it so that the highest life for 1 star characters is something like 4000. Also they cannot exceed level 50. I find it so weird that the HUMAN maggia can overpower the god of thunder. Or magneto. Or the hulk.

It's Heroic Mode. It's supposed to be hard. I'm not happy that it's THIS hard.

turul

NorthernPolarity wrote:

turul wrote:

Ben Grimm wrote:

I'm at about 6000 now, and - at the rate I'm going - Ill probably top out at about 9000, unless I either decide grinding is fun or abandon it altogether. I'm getting about 500-600 per cycle, and I'm guessing I've got 5 (or maybe 6) cycles left.

Unless something changes, I'll probably start running out of steam on this after 7500, if not sooner. I"m hoping thy lower progression awards, and I'll hit a certain point and stop. At this point, the difference between 1st (which I can't get anyway) and 50th is too slight to be worth the amount of effort it would take. I suspect I could stop playing and finish in the top 25.

go to 10k if you have come this far!

Daredevil is just such a meh character though, its probably not even worth it.

His kind of fun against 3 villains. And 3* stunner after funbalancing spiderman.
Also, he will be probably will be buffed in several events in the near future, extra cover might bring you advantage there.

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On a standalone basis I'd say he's better than Hulk as a deterrent. He has slightly less HPs but his special is likely to give a human player seriously headache, and unlike Hulk he's also usable on offense (not necessarily a powerhouse but Hulk does literally nothing on offense).

Hulk obviously has better synergies with Anger for some specific matchups, but DD's purple/blue is good for all-purpose utility too.

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Whatever happens tomorrow will upset somebody. Im not upset about not winning any covers or iso etc, im just annoyed that i've been pretty much unable to play due to very high level enemies that do not reflect my available covers levels.

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turul wrote:

Ben Grimm wrote:

I'm at about 6000 now, and - at the rate I'm going - Ill probably top out at about 9000, unless I either decide grinding is fun or abandon it altogether. I'm getting about 500-600 per cycle, and I'm guessing I've got 5 (or maybe 6) cycles left.

Unless something changes, I'll probably start running out of steam on this after 7500, if not sooner. I"m hoping thy lower progression awards, and I'll hit a certain point and stop. At this point, the difference between 1st (which I can't get anyway) and 50th is too slight to be worth the amount of effort it would take. I suspect I could stop playing and finish in the top 25.

go to 10k if you have come this far!

It would be difficult, and quite likely impossible. I'm having to use +150% tokens on the 200 point missions as it is, and I only have a few left.

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Did I miss an announcement that there's going to be an impending change? It wouldn't really matter even if they changed things now because there isn't enough time to do anything useful if you're not already invested in this tournament unless every mission is worth 10 times the point tomorrow.

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Phantron wrote:

Did I miss an announcement that there's going to be an impending change? It wouldn't really matter even if they changed things now because there isn't enough time to do anything useful if you're not already invested in this tournament unless every mission is worth 10 times the point tomorrow.

No announcements, just speculation based on what happened with TaT mid-way through.

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walkyourpath wrote:

Phantron wrote:

Did I miss an announcement that there's going to be an impending change? It wouldn't really matter even if they changed things now because there isn't enough time to do anything useful if you're not already invested in this tournament unless every mission is worth 10 times the point tomorrow.

No announcements, just speculation based on what happened with TaT mid-way through.

Even if they cut 50K reward down to 10K on Monday, that'd still be well out of reach for the vast majority of players.

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Phantron wrote:

Even if they cut 50K reward down to 10K on Monday, that'd still be well out of reach for the vast majority of players.

The other rewards would also go down, though, and some of the ones like the second DD cover would be possible.

NorthernPolarity

Phantron wrote:

On a standalone basis I'd say he's better than Hulk as a deterrent. He has slightly less HPs but his special is likely to give a human player seriously headache, and unlike Hulk he's also usable on offense (not necessarily a powerhouse but Hulk does literally nothing on offense).

Hulk obviously has better synergies with Anger for some specific matchups, but DD's purple/blue is good for all-purpose utility too.

Interesting, I didn't think about it this way. Is it mainly the red thats a deterrent due to the large amount of damage that it does?

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NorthernPolarity wrote:

Phantron wrote:

On a standalone basis I'd say he's better than Hulk as a deterrent. He has slightly less HPs but his special is likely to give a human player seriously headache, and unlike Hulk he's also usable on offense (not necessarily a powerhouse but Hulk does literally nothing on offense).

Hulk obviously has better synergies with Anger for some specific matchups, but DD's purple/blue is good for all-purpose utility too.

Interesting, I didn't think about it this way. Is it mainly the red thats a deterrent due to the large amount of damage that it does?

Well on the defense you have to go for extreme variances. Even if you take say the pre nerf Wolverine/Thor/OBW. Nobody is really going to lose to that because that team has no real surprises. Unless you get an unbelieveable cascade everyone knows the correct order to deal with this trio (OBW first, match 3 on Thor and special moves on Wolverine). The best you can hope for is that it takes out a guy on defense, but that doesn't actually do you any good because you still lost the game.

Now with a character like Daredevil, you can easily imagine getting an Ambush in early and then blow someone important up can actually let you win the fight. Sure, most of those games you'll either never get to use Ambush or it never hits anyone, but the most likely outcome on defense is a wipeout for your guys, so you're not really that worried if you somehow died worse than normal because a loss is still a loss.

So far, ignoring levels and the characters that are likely to be balanced, I found there's two kinds of character I tend to avoid when attacking:

1. Characters that are hard to kill. IM40, Hulk goes into this category. You're usually not worried about actually losing to them, but their massive HPs can discourage you from attacking them.
2. Characters that have an extreme voltaility. Modern Storm is the most common seen. I actually skipped quite a few game that's say featured character + OBW + Modern Storm, because we know Modern Storm can randomly pull off totally crazy combos, even though she is obviously not a strong character overall.

Daredevil would likely be the second type of character. Character type #2 are actually also capable of occasionally actually defending, while characters of type #1 usually do not. Of course, characters who are strong defensive deterrents usually aren't great on offense, but you can't win them all.

Dayv

Phantron wrote:

On a standalone basis I'd say he's better than Hulk as a deterrent. He has slightly less HPs but his special is likely to give a human player seriously headache, and unlike Hulk he's also usable on offense (not necessarily a powerhouse but Hulk does literally nothing on offense).

I don't really understand how people miss Hulk's really good green power. I love the Hulk, even if I hate his red.

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DayvBang wrote:

Phantron wrote:

On a standalone basis I'd say he's better than Hulk as a deterrent. He has slightly less HPs but his special is likely to give a human player seriously headache, and unlike Hulk he's also usable on offense (not necessarily a powerhouse but Hulk does literally nothing on offense).

I don't really understand how people miss Hulk's really good green power. I love the Hulk, even if I hate his red.

I wish it generated AP though, even if that meant a little less damage to balance it out.

NorthernPolarity

DayvBang wrote:

Phantron wrote:

On a standalone basis I'd say he's better than Hulk as a deterrent. He has slightly less HPs but his special is likely to give a human player seriously headache, and unlike Hulk he's also usable on offense (not necessarily a powerhouse but Hulk does literally nothing on offense).

I don't really understand how people miss Hulk's really good green power. I love the Hulk, even if I hate his red.

My current team is Hulk/Punisher/Buffed character, so all the green goes into punisher. Hulk really feels like dead weight on offense, but his defensive capabilities (not many people want to attack a level 120 hulk) more than make up for it. He's singlehandedly saved me a ton of hp during these tournaments since I don't have to shield with him on my team.

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I play every couple hours. Once the 3 hour mark for Thor hits I'll climb to 1st there, then shield, then focus on the occasional Heroic mode battle.

But this is the least I've played MPQ on a weekend in months.

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jozier wrote:

I play every couple hours. Once the 3 hour mark for Thor hits I'll climb to 1st there, then shield, then focus on the occasional Heroic mode battle.

But this is the least I've played MPQ on a weekend in months.

Yup same here ... 6 matches all weekend ... I normally do that in under an hour, for many many hours I actually got some work done!