A Reminder About Negs

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Erm.

*hides

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The only time I go outside the neg rep guidelines established in this thread (only trolls, spammers etc) is when I'm neg repped first for some petty reason like they disagree with my non-troll opinion.

Retaliation is a huge part of this game, after all.

simonsez

A lot of this is subjective, no? One person's "trolling" is another person's "awesome idea."

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simonsez wrote:

A lot of this is subjective, no? One person's "trolling" is another person's "awesome idea."

I disagree.

Not to call out the OP of this linked thread, viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27576, but he got some downvotes because of his idea.

There is no doubt that most people would consider it a bad idea based on his inexperience in the game but I doubt anyone would think he is trolling.

However, he still got downvotes based purely on the fact that his idea was, subjectively, stupid and pointless.

I upvoted him to try to counteract the neg repping he got for people disagreeing with his idea because I could identify that, while I disagreed with his post, I recognized that he was not trolling and should not have been downvoted.

Similarly, I think it is relatively easy to spot a true troll. They’ll make outlandish claims or ideas that even the most inexperienced or highly experienced player would not think is a good idea.

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Jamie Madrox wrote:

Nivrax wrote:

Upvotes are for posts containing helpful information, good ideas, a view that you agree with (instead of quoting it and adding +1 creating spam) or contribute in meaningful to the topic.

Downvotes are for spam, harrasment, personal attacks, going extremely offtopic etc. Sort of public moderation effort. They're not for disagreeing with poster or not liking the ideas (it's not yt/facebook). A person with huge negative points should be one that is trolling and disrupting forum, not one that have diffrent views from majority (circlekitty) or is just posting information on planned changes.

Wish more people understood the system.

Actually you're wrong. The reputation system is designed to work EXACTLY like the Facebook like system, only better because you can dislike something. Upvotes are for posts that you like or agree with. Downvotes are for posts that you dislike or don't agree with. If someone is breaking the rules, there is a "Report this post" button on every post that you can use to let the mods know. Or you can PM us. Either way we'll look at the issue and make a decision based on what we have to work with. We may ask for more information, we may consult with other mods and David, and we may not resolve it right away, but we'll deal with it.

I would have said use of negative votes is a matter of opinion but, since Jamie wrote it in green (so as a mod), I assume it's not and the OP is incorrect...... So perhaps we can say it's officially a thing?

Unknown

I will then use it how mods tell me to use it, although all it will end up with people not voicing any opinion that may differ from majority. I though it's more akin to Reddit system where points are used to highlight interesting topics and promote discussions, in some subs where community 'slips' it ends up terrible with one 'correct' opinion prevelant with all others getting hidden, entire sub ends up being pals patting pals and god fobid you have different opinion and your arguments doesn't matter when it's buried (I'm looking at your r/games).

Malcrof

I got a negative for liking one of the changes made.. and explaining why it was helping my low level / casual alliance..

The only thing that bugged me is this.. if you are going to dislike what wrote.. please leave a note telling me why! The neg was left blank....

simonsez

onimus wrote:

However, he still got downvotes based purely on the fact that his idea was, subjectively, stupid and pointless.

Says you. If I find an idea so bad that it's offensive, I'll downvote it. I'm not a mind reader, so I'm not going to try to decide whether or not he's trolling. And since at least one mod downvoted that post as well, I'd say it was well within acceptable parameters.

Marc_Spector

agree wholeheartedly, Mikaveus.
and, I love your sig, every time I see it pop up in a thread -- Anyone who would have Beetle & Booster in their sig file I will instantly generalize as being "good people". It reminds me of a better, less-cynical time in comic fandom that I hope this and many other boards I frequent would aspire to emulate.

Kelbris

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=26207

There's a thread for this

rednailz

avs962 wrote:

Chrono_Tata wrote:

While I understand your sentiment, if you say that upvoting a post is for "a view that you agree with (instead of quoting it and adding +1 creating spam)", shouldn't the opposite be true that a downvote should be for a post you don't agree with, rather than quoting it and adding a -1 spam or whatever. You also say that "Downvotes are for spam, harassment, personal attacks, going extremely off-topic etc", but there is already a "Report" button for that sort of posts.

The way I see it, if you disagree with someone, you'll have a reason for your disagreement and will post it in a response, fostering a good debate/discussion. A neg for disagreement with no response is kinda like saying 'you're wrong' then walking away, at least to me.

Just one's thoughts

Pretty common in heaps and heaps of other online forums, or newsites that allow comments to have a downvote and upvote button. I used to post on a newsite often and there would be comments with hundreds or up and down votes....you'd be reading for a week if everyone who downvoted was required to comment as well.

I think people get to worked up over a downvote. I've downvoted becuase i disagreed, and maybe counter with my point, maybe not.

avs962

rednailz wrote:

avs962 wrote:

Chrono_Tata wrote:

While I understand your sentiment, if you say that upvoting a post is for "a view that you agree with (instead of quoting it and adding +1 creating spam)", shouldn't the opposite be true that a downvote should be for a post you don't agree with, rather than quoting it and adding a -1 spam or whatever. You also say that "Downvotes are for spam, harassment, personal attacks, going extremely off-topic etc", but there is already a "Report" button for that sort of posts.

The way I see it, if you disagree with someone, you'll have a reason for your disagreement and will post it in a response, fostering a good debate/discussion. A neg for disagreement with no response is kinda like saying 'you're wrong' then walking away, at least to me.

Just one's thoughts

Pretty common in heaps and heaps of other online forums, or newsites that allow comments to have a downvote and upvote button. I used to post on a newsite often and there would be comments with hundreds or up and down votes....you'd be reading for a week if everyone who downvoted was required to comment as well.

I think people get to worked up over a downvote. I've downvoted becuase i disagreed, and maybe counter with my point, maybe not.

On more of a news site, definitely. There are just wayyy too many people, and if it's politics, that's much more of a touchy subject than a petty video game.

I don't usually get too involved in the discussions here unless it's more of a joke thread, but I've seen a few posts with legitimate thoughts, neither malicious or objectively ridiculous, that were just negged a bunch and then completely ignored with no response. If you disagree, it's fine to down vote, I guess. But in a place where we want discussion, it definitely doesn't hurt to say 'why' you disagree.


And just so I don't get down voted, here are three donkeys

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Yeah, we all have some downvotes in our closet. Nothing to be stressed out over.

@Malcrof, I wouldn't take it personally. People are coming to terms with the upcoming changes and on some level still want to be mad about it. Angry folk aren't known for responding positively to people trying to paint a silver lining onto things they are upset with.

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Deadpooool wrote:

Erm.

*hides

Ok since this is the topic should we downvote this obvious ploy to play on racism for laughs?

rednailz

avs962 wrote:

rednailz wrote:

avs962 wrote:

Chrono_Tata wrote:

While I understand your sentiment, if you say that upvoting a post is for "a view that you agree with (instead of quoting it and adding +1 creating spam)", shouldn't the opposite be true that a downvote should be for a post you don't agree with, rather than quoting it and adding a -1 spam or whatever. You also say that "Downvotes are for spam, harassment, personal attacks, going extremely off-topic etc", but there is already a "Report" button for that sort of posts.

The way I see it, if you disagree with someone, you'll have a reason for your disagreement and will post it in a response, fostering a good debate/discussion. A neg for disagreement with no response is kinda like saying 'you're wrong' then walking away, at least to me.

Just one's thoughts

Pretty common in heaps and heaps of other online forums, or newsites that allow comments to have a downvote and upvote button. I used to post on a newsite often and there would be comments with hundreds or up and down votes....you'd be reading for a week if everyone who downvoted was required to comment as well.

I think people get to worked up over a downvote. I've downvoted becuase i disagreed, and maybe counter with my point, maybe not.

On more of a news site, definitely. There are just wayyy too many people, and if it's politics, that's much more of a touchy subject than a petty video game.

I don't usually get too involved in the discussions here unless it's more of a joke thread, but I've seen a few posts with legitimate thoughts, neither malicious or objectively ridiculous, that were just negged a bunch and then completely ignored with no response. If you disagree, it's fine to down vote, I guess. But in a place where we want discussion, it definitely doesn't hurt to say 'why' you disagree.


And just so I don't get down voted, here are three donkeys

Well played, 3 donkeys will get you an upvote every time! I can't upvote or downvote whem I'm browsing at work as we run a version of IE that's so old a lot of sites you can't even go to. Last time I tried to click "refresh" a picture of a dissapointed Bill Gates shaking his head popped up.

Der_Lex

raisinbman wrote:

Deadpooool wrote:

Erm.

*hides

Ok since this is the topic should we downvote this obvious ploy to play on racism for laughs?

Unknown

Der_Lex wrote:

raisinbman wrote:

Deadpooool wrote:

Erm.

*hides

Ok since this is the topic should we downvote this obvious ploy to play on racism for laughs?

I came here for answers not memes

Unknown

I'm new to the forum. When I up or down vote and it asks for a comment, who sees that comment? Just the person I'm voting on or everyone?
Thanks

Mikaveus

onimus wrote:

I upvoted him to try to counteract the neg repping he got for people disagreeing with his idea because I could identify that, while I disagreed with his post, I recognized that he was not trolling and should not have been downvoted.

Similarly, I think it is relatively easy to spot a true troll. They’ll make outlandish claims or ideas that even the most inexperienced or highly experienced player would not think is a good idea.

Being dubbed a "troll" was something unexpected and very aggravating since I was coming from a place of honesty. There are far easier ways to troll without typing so much text! I do appreciate the upvote despite your lack of agreement.

bonfire01 wrote:

Jamie Madrox wrote:

Actually you're wrong. The reputation system is designed to work EXACTLY like the Facebook like system, only better because you can dislike something. Upvotes are for posts that you like or agree with. Downvotes are for posts that you dislike or don't agree with. If someone is breaking the rules, there is a "Report this post" button on every post that you can use to let the mods know. Or you can PM us. Either way we'll look at the issue and make a decision based on what we have to work with. We may ask for more information, we may consult with other mods and David, and we may not resolve it right away, but we'll deal with it.

I would have said use of negative votes is a matter of opinion but, since Jamie wrote it in green (so as a mod), I assume it's not and the OP is incorrect...... So perhaps we can say it's officially a thing?

I felt I had a good handle on the intent of the downvote system, so I thought I was being more informative than anything else. Turns out I was wrong from the get go. Now I can understand why some people thought I was trolling, who maybe had a better idea of the voting tool.

Marc Spector wrote:

agree wholeheartedly, Mikaveus.
and, I love your sig, every time I see it pop up in a thread -- Anyone who would have Beetle & Booster in their sig file I will instantly generalize as being "good people". It reminds me of a better, less-cynical time in comic fandom that I hope this and many other boards I frequent would aspire to emulate.

Wait, did you just peer into my soul through my sig?! Thanks for the kind words, man.

rednailz wrote:

Pretty common in heaps and heaps of other online forums, or newsites that allow comments to have a downvote and upvote button. I used to post on a newsite often and there would be comments with hundreds or up and down votes....you'd be reading for a week if everyone who downvoted was required to comment as well.

I think people get to worked up over a downvote. I've downvoted becuase i disagreed, and maybe counter with my point, maybe not.

I'd get worked up over a downvote because I assigned it greater value than an upvote. It's easier to accept the way the mods have outlined its use. Still, there are times when it's definitely overused and hopefully this thread will have a positive impact on that.

Nivrax wrote:

I will then use it how mods tell me to use it, although all it will end up with people not voicing any opinion that may differ from majority. I though it's more akin to Reddit system where points are used to highlight interesting topics and promote discussions, in some subs where community 'slips' it ends up terrible with one 'correct' opinion prevelant with all others getting hidden, entire sub ends up being pals patting pals and god fobid you have different opinion and your arguments doesn't matter when it's buried (I'm looking at your r/games).

Sorry for getting you involved in this thread, Nivrax! I should never have copied and pasted your thoughts, but they just so mirrored my own. Downvotes for dissenting opinions isn't something I'm going to follow too closely myself. It's very easy to take things personally, obviously. I'll likely reserve that for extreme opinions that don't have a leg to stand on.

Ebolamonkey84

Cayasha wrote:

I'm new to the forum. When I up or down vote and it asks for a comment, who sees that comment? Just the person I'm voting on or everyone?
Thanks

Anyone can see it if they actually click on the number representing the up/downvotes for a post. Anyone can also see them if you are looking at a user's reputation from their profile.