A Reminder About Negs

Mikaveus

Can we please stop negging with our hearts and use our heads? If someone posts a valid point counter to your beliefs, it doesn't warrant a neg. With the upcoming X-Force nerf, emotions are understandably running high. And I've seen negs cast carelessly left and right. Fellow forum member Nivrax put it nicely, so I'm simply gong to quote:

"Upvotes are for posts containing helpful information, good ideas, a view that you agree with (instead of quoting it and adding +1 creating spam) or contribute in meaningful ways to the topic.

"Downvotes are for spam, harassment, personal attacks, going extremely off-topic etc. Sort of public moderation effort. They're not for disagreeing with poster or not liking the ideas (it's not yt/facebook). A person with huge negative points should be one that is trolling and disrupting the forum, not one that has different views from the majority (circlekitty) or is just posting information on planned changes."

Unknown

So I had an interesting down vote in a completely unrelated thread...

Mikaveus wrote:

One lame neg deserves another. "Perhaps think before posting?" Perhaps you should think before negging. Ha! The guy named bonfire talking about flamebait.

So that's how people getting all high and mighty about down voting work I guess.... Does this say everything that needs saying about the value of his post and thread?

EDIT: He changed the content of his down vote comment... shame it's already quoted for posterity .

Mikaveus

bonfire01 wrote:

So I had an interesting down vote in a completely unrelated thread...

Mikaveus wrote:

One lame neg deserves another. "Perhaps think before posting?" Perhaps you should think before negging. Ha! The guy named bonfire talking about flamebait.

So that's how people getting all high and mighty about down voting work I guess.... Does this say everything that needs saying about the value of his post and thread?

The neg ALSO speaks about the value of your original post. You should share it as well for transparency. Thank you.

Der_Lex

Yeah, this thread is going places.

Friends don't let friends drink and backseat moderate.

Mikaveus

Of course I'm no moderator on these forums and neither is the member I quoted, but it does sound like a good code to follow when negging and repping.

If you want to hear from the authority, then here's the link to forum rules with a highlight to the #5 item.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4

That someone thinks I'm posting this as flamebait is ridiculous. I've seen enough down votes the last 24 hours, for posts that are entirely innocuous, to justify bringing this topic about.


5. Treat your fellow users kindly. We will not tolerate any of the following:
a. Trolling, or posting something just to get a rise out of someone.
b. Flaming, or insulting / bashing / harassing another user.
c. Posting offensive material. This includes anything that could be considered racially, religiously, or sexually demeaning or insulting. Posting a link to material of this nature is equally forbidden.
d. Posting threatening material of any kind.
e. Acting like a jerk.

Der_Lex

Unfortunately, in my experience threads like these tend to cause more harm than good when coming from anyone but a dev or moderator, even though your intention is no doubt good. That and I think that at this point in time when a lot of people, if not the majority of the users on this forum, are very annoyed/upset/angry/frustrated because of the recent and upcoming changes, asking people to curb those feelings is counterproductive. Yes, the forum is not a fun and happy place right now, but that is to be expected when so many users are unhappy, and as an added bonus have the feeling that the devs are ignoring their reservations/complaints (which explains the announcement negging, something any forum software worth its salt would allow its moderators' posts to be exempt from), and are favoring a particular subset of its user base over another (new players vs. vets).

In the words of the guys themselves, this too shall pass, but until it does, telling people not to be negative about changes that they have negative feelings about is very counterproductive. None of us enjoy complaining, and I assume we'd all rather be enjoying the game instead... but unfortunately, the recent matchmaking changes have taken a lot of fun out of the game for a lot of people, and the character changes appear to make those frustrations even worse. And although i agree that civility is something that is to be expected at all times, right now people really need to vent, and giving them the feeling that their frustrations are invalid or unwelcome on here will only make the situation worse.

bknfoodie

Lol. I got downvoted 5 times in a thread where OP wanted 20x the health packs that are currently given. I told them they were crazy in thinking that Demiurge would just up and do that. Some people don't like the reality check.

Arondite

I leave negative reputation when someone is an ****, when someone misrepresents information (whether willful or accidental) as fact, etc.

If you're going to state something like it's a fact, you need to know it is before you do so. That's on you.

Quebbster

I downvote based on poor form, not the content. Rudeness, profanity etcetera are easy ways to get downvotes.

Unknown

I hate people downvoting the post announcing the changes.

I get that you're annoyed that XForce is getting nerfed, but hiding the post won't make the changes go away. It just makes seeing that information harder for the forum visitors.

IamTheDanger

Keep in mind that if players downvote announcements every time D3 makes them, then they will just stop making them. People complain that they don't like it when the devs don't communicate, but when they try to do so, they get downvoted non stop, and get called a lot of inappropriate things.

GothicKratos

Let's also not forget that this behavior dissuades new users from voicing their opinions in fear of retaliation.

Unknown

Can't they just remove the popularity votes? Downvoting announcements from the developers doesn't make sense.

atomzed

Mikaveus wrote:

"Upvotes are for posts containing helpful information, good ideas, a view that you agree with (instead of quoting it and adding +1 creating spam) or contribute in meaningful ways to the topic.

"Downvotes are for spam, harassment, personal attacks, going extremely off-topic etc. Sort of public moderation effort. They're not for disagreeing with poster or not liking the ideas (it's not yt/facebook). A person with huge negative points should be one that is trolling and disrupting the forum, not one that has different views from the majority (circlekitty) or is just posting information on planned changes."

Thank you for the informative post. I originally thought that a down vote was meant to indicate disagreementI gotten a few bwfore for people disagreeing with my idea. The most vivid one was when I said that I disagree tat BP is top 10 and I for down vote for it. From these incidences I thought down vote refers to disagreement.) but through some trial and error, I realised people get very very upset for down vote, so I gradually learn to with hold down votes.

Now I have confirmation that my suspicion is correct. Thanks a lot!

Chrono_Tata

While I understand your sentiment, if you say that upvoting a post is for "a view that you agree with (instead of quoting it and adding +1 creating spam)", shouldn't the opposite be true that a downvote should be for a post you don't agree with, rather than quoting it and adding a -1 spam or whatever. You also say that "Downvotes are for spam, harassment, personal attacks, going extremely off-topic etc", but there is already a "Report" button for that sort of posts.

simonsez

JCTthe3rd81 wrote:

People complain that they don't like it when the devs don't communicate, but when they try to do so, they get downvoted

I think the problem is that people don't feel as if, "Hey, you know those characters you've spent 6 months building up via countless hours of gameplay, and probably some $$ here and there? Next week we're going to nerf the living #$^& out of them. Because.", is quality communication.

JamieMadrox

As always, if you have an issue with another user's post or their downvote and/or the comment associated with it, flag the post, include a note for us, and we will deal with it. I have warned and banned users, as recently as yesterday, for retaliatory downvoting and/or inappropriate comments in a downvote.

Mikaveus

Chrono_Tata wrote:

While I understand your sentiment, if you say that upvoting a post is for "a view that you agree with (instead of quoting it and adding +1 creating spam)", shouldn't the opposite be true that a downvote should be for a post you don't agree with, rather than quoting it and adding a -1 spam or whatever. You also say that "Downvotes are for spam, harassment, personal attacks, going extremely off-topic etc", but there is already a "Report" button for that sort of posts.

I see your point, and I suppose upvotes and downvotes don't operate equally in the agreement/disagreement spectrum. I'd say a downvote is more closely tied to the reputation score and etiquette violations. Someone can make a well thought out statement you disagree with. Or they can phrase it in a derogatory manner. I'd save the report button for something grossly offensive that would require moderator intervention.

Unknown

Mikaveus wrote:

Can we please stop negging with our hearts and use our heads? If someone posts a valid point counter to your beliefs, it doesn't warrant a neg. With the upcoming X-Force nerf, emotions are understandably running high. And I've seen negs cast carelessly left and right. Fellow forum member Nivrax put it nicely, so I'm simply gong to quote:

"Upvotes are for posts containing helpful information, good ideas, a view that you agree with (instead of quoting it and adding +1 creating spam) or contribute in meaningful ways to the topic.

"Downvotes are for spam, harassment, personal attacks, going extremely off-topic etc. Sort of public moderation effort. They're not for disagreeing with poster or not liking the ideas (it's not yt/facebook). A person with huge negative points should be one that is trolling and disrupting the forum, not one that has different views from the majority (circlekitty) or is just posting information on planned changes."

tell that to the kids in my thread as well as this other person's thread: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=25844 viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27123&start=20#p333639

KrazyKeylime

JCTthe3rd81 wrote:

Keep in mind that if players downvote announcements every time D3 makes them, then they will just stop making them. People complain that they don't like it when the devs don't communicate, but when they try to do so, they get downvoted non stop, and get called a lot of inappropriate things.

maybe they keep making bad announcements

avs962

Chrono_Tata wrote:

While I understand your sentiment, if you say that upvoting a post is for "a view that you agree with (instead of quoting it and adding +1 creating spam)", shouldn't the opposite be true that a downvote should be for a post you don't agree with, rather than quoting it and adding a -1 spam or whatever. You also say that "Downvotes are for spam, harassment, personal attacks, going extremely off-topic etc", but there is already a "Report" button for that sort of posts.

The way I see it, if you disagree with someone, you'll have a reason for your disagreement and will post it in a response, fostering a good debate/discussion. A neg for disagreement with no response is kinda like saying 'you're wrong' then walking away, at least to me.

Just one's thoughts