Wolvie and Thor have been completely wrecked

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Toxicadam wrote:

OBW isn't getting nerfed (at least she wasn't on that list they posted). I just think her black is slightly bugged and they are going to correct it.

I reported a bug on this so hopefully that is all it is. Do you have a link to where they were discussing it I couldn't find one?

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Wolverine's yellow is useless now. The criteria for it kicking in is too narrow. What a waste of points I put into that. The green is fine.

With Thor, they should have kept the AP a low 6 like I had mine. if they were gonna reduce the damage. 3 yellows does virtually nothing. They need to do a better job balancing the characters as I and many others fall on the same characters. They just didn't do that here and I don't think they are doing a good job rebalancing the characters. I don't see that they've assigned key functions/roles to characters so they all can serve a purpose and even advantage in certain situations. This is how a traditonal RPG is set up where you have a caster, barbarian, long-range archer, etc. Each serves a purpose. Doesn't seem like rocket science. They've done it with some characters in the support vein like the Black Widows, Storm, etc.

And I'm a mid-tiered player with a 70 Thor and I'm screwed. The top players keep getting richer and now you've jacked up costs on boosts and made the campaign ridiculously hard. I'm losing interest in playing.

Also, the last update kicked me out mid-match. It closed the program and updated. Went back in, I got a hit point loss like I retreated! And wasted the boosts I was using which you then priced me out of. Must be great to be those top players from the beginning of the game with tens of thousands of HERO POINTS!!! So unbalanced now.

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Toxicadam wrote:

OBW isn't getting nerfed (at least she wasn't on that list they posted). I just think her black is slightly bugged and they are going to correct it.

Given that she is on almost every team right now, do you truly believe that or are you just trying to draw attention away from her?

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thatguy13 wrote:

Toxicadam wrote:

OBW isn't getting nerfed (at least she wasn't on that list they posted). I just think her black is slightly bugged and they are going to correct it.

Given that she is on almost every team right now, do you truly believe that or are you just trying to draw attention away from her?

Shes on the team because she can heal and if you want to play more than few matches a day you had better have someone that heals or you better be prepared to spend lots of cash. Of course it appears the latter is the only thing they are shooting for.

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A team with OBW is likely going to be pretty medicore in terms of overall placement. She's versatile and relatively safe, but she lacks serious firepower and is a huge liabilty on defense. With defense actually possible now, you not only have to be able to attack well but also have a team that can scare off potential attackers and, if need be, occasionally win a game on defense.

I use OBW when I don't need to place high but I'm definitely revamping my roster to put together a team that can run deeper than a 30th place finish too.

danikalil

It seems like people other than me also feel the nerfing of Thor and Wolverine was unfair. It killed the game for me. I'm no longer playing it, and it's a shame, because I used to play it a lot and spend quite some money on it too.

My wife, who is home sick and has nothing to do, and therefore still insists on playing, is trying to build another team from scratch. She's staking her chips on OBW. I told her I think it's just a matter of time before they nerf OBW too, since she is now the character that everybody owns.

It's just too damn unfair. We mid-tiers never get 3-star covers, because there's absolutely no chance you're gonna be in the top of the charts with every good 2-star hero nerfed eventually. It seems the game is built to make the rich get richer, as I read on another post: you'll only get good covers if you already have great ones, and if you still try to make it on your own by putting the best you have to use and overworking your ingenuity, they sense the danger and nerf you down.

I'm a veteran player of literally hundreds of tactics games, but I never saw anything like this. This game is broken, unbalanced and profoundly depressing. Seriously, it brings me down to see the way they treat us players.

I have never met worse sales strategy. For the sake of everyone who's still playing it, I hope it changes before more people feel compelled to leave.

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It's quite easy to finish in top 45 with OBW + whatever. I did that before the nerf and after nerf the relative placement is still unchanged (there just aren't that many marauding 3* doomsday teams out there). That'll get you the basis to start building your team.

At any rate, if you want to build a 3* team, what you need is Iso8, not covers. You'll quickly find out just how much Iso8 these guys suck up.

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Phantron wrote:

A team with OBW is likely going to be pretty medicore in terms of overall placement. She's versatile and relatively safe, but she lacks serious firepower and is a huge liabilty on defense. With defense actually possible now, you not only have to be able to attack well but also have a team that can scare off potential attackers and, if need be, occasionally win a game on defense.

I use OBW when I don't need to place high but I'm definitely revamping my roster to put together a team that can run deeper than a 30th place finish too.

It all depends on how you play and who you play her with but agreed she is not overpowered by any stretch. However you assessment of mediocre placement is off the mark. I have hit first numerous times and often place in top 10 when match is finished

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I love this game. LOVED IT. Spent so much time and THOUGHT in doing my character builds, and honestly? I don't even want to play anymore, because you've just made the two characters I put the most time and energy into almost entirely useless. Why would you ever ENTIRELY MODIFY - I am not talking about tweaks, because what happened here was not TWEAKING, it was cutting the usefulness of two characters virtually in half - a character instead of stepping back and saying "gosh, maybe we could have a better PVP model!" I'm so irritated. What's the point of continuing to play when your main functioning team is no longer functioning? I made an account just to pitch in because this is f***cking ridiculous.

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I agree with OP and if needed I'd say petition to bring some stuff back.
First of all Wolverine's healing ability needs to be reverted back to it was ASAP as (just an example) I just lost against Daken as Daken's healing 'n' heat still works like it has been working from day one.
Another thing; feral claws placing attack red tiles with damage of 31 each even Wolverine is buffed in Thick as thieves. REALLY?! How much damage these attack red tiles do when Wolverine is not buffed, 12?

What is wrong with you devs?

Why are you 'fixing' stuff no one asked to be 'fixed'?
And I do not understand why would anyone whine to nerf Thor?! Thor is next to useless after patch.
Was perfectly fine pre patch.Not balanced? Well, life sucks.
I mean, Thor and Wolverine are supposed to be like they were pre patch!
I think everyone here knows how powerful both Thor and Wolverine are.

So, at the moment I'm boycotting this game and no more investments by me until they fix it.

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I use both Wolvie and Thor both before and after the nerf. True, they are not as dominating as pre-nerf, but I still get some use from them. The nerf just means I need to strategize on who to bring.

TheHood

Oh come on men, you would like to see OBW also nerfed?
Her black is not bugged, all her skills are perfectly balanced, especially now that AXM Wolverine's green skill doesn't cost only 3 AP anymore.
They've already nerfed C.Storm, Ragnarok, Wolverine and Thor, now it's time to update the Character Balance Queue list adding new characters who need seriously a boost, like Magneto Marvel Now! and Daken (he deserves a third skill).

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OBW is probably a bit too good but you'll have a hard time pushing deep with her because she's a huge liability on defense unless you got one of those miracle cascades and used Aggressive Recon 3 times. Most of the time she simply dies without doing anything useful and thus giving back the advantage you obtained with her on offense immediately back to whoever attacked you. OBW attacks extremely well but also defends extremely poorly, as long as your opponent didn't get sloppy on the purples. Note that OBW has a hard time even outracing match 3s with Anti-Gravity on defense since all the damage is going to be directed to one person (most likely OBW).

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I have a couple of suggestions for everyone complaining about nerfs.

1) Don't invest your time in Betas and PvP games. These will always see changes over the course of time.
2) Don't put all your eggs in one basket, ie. don't focus all your ISO into only 3 heroes.
3) Be creative and make up your own 'unique' teams. I can think of several combos that I don't have the covers or roster space to implement but that I think could be awesome. The most diverse teams I see on ladder is either Ares instead of Thor in a Thor/Werine/OBW team or once I saw a Captain America instead of OBW.
4) Show some foresight. We all know/suspect that OBW is going to get nerfed, so stop dumping ISO into her and figure out what the next exploited character will be. Personally I already see more Ares than before, and beyond that I think Daredevil could become a problem due to his "hidden trap tiles".

That being said I have myself leveled Thor a fair bit but mainly because he was my only Hero that I had enough covers for to go above LV50. Now I'm sitting on 6-8 heroes around LV30 and trying to get them to LV50 so that I can mix and match more.

Thor makes more sense in his current form. His green ability is not so underwhelming anymore.

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TheHood wrote:

Oh come on men, you would like to see OBW also nerfed?
Her black is not bugged, all her skills are perfectly balanced, especially now that AXM Wolverine's green skill doesn't cost only 3 AP anymore.
They've already nerfed C.Storm, Ragnarok, Wolverine and Thor, now it's time to update the Character Balance Queue list adding new characters who need seriously a boost, like Magneto Marvel Now! and Daken (he deserves a third skill).

The black does have a bug not sure if they fixed it but I reported it a couple weeks ago on certain colors it doesn't register all the time. Can't remember which color(s) it was now

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Phantron wrote:

OBW is probably a bit too good but you'll have a hard time pushing deep with her because she's a huge liability on defense unless you got one of those miracle cascades and used Aggressive Recon 3 times. Most of the time she simply dies without doing anything useful and thus giving back the advantage you obtained with her on offense immediately back to whoever attacked you. OBW attacks extremely well but also defends extremely poorly, as long as your opponent didn't get sloppy on the purples. Note that OBW has a hard time even outracing match 3s with Anti-Gravity on defense since all the damage is going to be directed to one person (most likely OBW).

You are playing her wrong sorry

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Milkrain wrote:

I have a couple of suggestions for everyone complaining about nerfs.

1) Don't invest your time in Betas and PvP games. These will always see changes over the course of time.
2) Don't put all your eggs in one basket, ie. don't focus all your ISO into only 3 heroes.
3) Be creative and make up your own 'unique' teams. I can think of several combos that I don't have the covers or roster space to implement but that I think could be awesome. The most diverse teams I see on ladder is either Ares instead of Thor in a Thor/Werine/OBW team or once I saw a Captain America instead of OBW.
4) Show some foresight. We all know/suspect that OBW is going to get nerfed, so stop dumping ISO into her and figure out what the next exploited character will be. Personally I already see more Ares than before, and beyond that I think Daredevil could become a problem due to his "hidden trap tiles".

That being said I have myself leveled Thor a fair bit but mainly because he was my only Hero that I had enough covers for to go above LV50. Now I'm sitting on 6-8 heroes around LV30 and trying to get them to LV50 so that I can mix and match more.

Thor makes more sense in his current form. His green ability is not so underwhelming anymore.

It shouldn't be up to us to work around their lack of ethics with regard to the proper treatment of paying customers.

danikalil

Phantron wrote:

It's quite easy to finish in top 45 with OBW + whatever. I did that before the nerf and after nerf the relative placement is still unchanged (there just aren't that many marauding 3* doomsday teams out there). That'll get you the basis to start building your team.

At any rate, if you want to build a 3* team, what you need is Iso8, not covers. You'll quickly find out just how much Iso8 these guys suck up.

Well, I must be a much worse player than you are. I never manage to finish placed high enough to get any of the 3-star covers, except on very rare occasions, and in these cases I'm sure it's rubberbanding. And yes, I see many "marauding 3-stars doomsday teams" out there when I play. Are you lucky enough that you don't?

Now your last sentence is somewhat confusing...you say I need Iso8, not covers. So please explain to me how on earth am I supposed to level up a character without covers? Am I expected to buy those covers for the paltry sums they cost? I have tons of Iso8 in stock - exactly 58,723 - and no character to spend it on.

How exactly did you level up your heroes without covers? I'd appreciate it very much if you'd tell me.

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I have to say after using Astonishing in this tournament his new abilities really don't 'wreck' him at all.

Different isn't always broken.

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danikalil wrote:

Phantron wrote:

It's quite easy to finish in top 45 with OBW + whatever. I did that before the nerf and after nerf the relative placement is still unchanged (there just aren't that many marauding 3* doomsday teams out there). That'll get you the basis to start building your team.

At any rate, if you want to build a 3* team, what you need is Iso8, not covers. You'll quickly find out just how much Iso8 these guys suck up.

Well, I must be a much worse player than you are. I never manage to finish placed high enough to get any of the 3-star covers, except on very rare occasions, and in these cases I'm sure it's rubberbanding. And yes, I see many "marauding 3-stars doomsday teams" out there when I play. Are you lucky enough that you don't?

Now your last sentence is somewhat confusing...you say I need Iso8, not covers. So please explain to me how on earth am I supposed to level up a character without covers? Am I expected to buy those covers for the paltry sums they cost? I have tons of Iso8 in stock - exactly 58,723 - and no character to spend it on.

How exactly did you level up your heroes without covers? I'd appreciate it very much if you'd tell me.

As long as you're not facing Magneto (classic) the high level teams aren't as intimidating as they appear. If you don't have Spiderman you can't fight a team with Spiderman unless you're extremely good at this game, but Spiderman is getting less popular in the meta game because he doesn't deter high level aggression at all (because every high level guy has a Spiderman too, who owns his mirror match). If you're adversely affected by Thor/Wolverine nerf, you should just shoot for hitting around 20th place (higher the better, naturally) with 3 hours left to go on a tournament and shield. This almost always will ensure you finish with a top 45 which gets you one 3* cover. Do not make the mistake of thinking you can be competitive in the last 3 hour when the frenzy begins.