DPD Redundancy. ..

Unknown

If they gave out a *** cover that you didn't already have, then you'd be complaining about the "HP suck" of having to add roster spots.

DDQ is working exactly as planned - to inject ISO, HP, and a variety of covers into the game with the focus on the mid-level players but with benefits for everyone.

TLCstormz

NighteyesGrisu wrote:

getting the first cover isn't that hard. the xf thoress wall ususally doesn't hit until 600p which in many pvp is more than enough to earn one cover.

Aaahahahahaa! Wow. CLEARLY, so many of you giving advice have not been 2* players in a while.......

rednailz

shayne78 wrote:

NighteyesGrisu wrote:

shayne78 wrote:

Arondite wrote:

It's not for 2 star players.

It's for 2-3 transition players.

Exactly!

BUT...

You STILL have to have the covers to begin with to earn the covers...

Now, if you could earn previously unowned covers, then it would be viable for transitioning. ..

but that was execactly the point of DDQ. It's for players who sit on nearly useless 3* becuase they only have 1 or a couple of its covers. It was specifically introduced to amend that a bit.

The difficulty in earning a 3* when in PVP as a 2* transitioner getting beyond 300-400 points to earn a 3* is impossible in most cases especially when faced with the (Thoress,XF) wall...
PVE has become a bad joke, our puny 94's up against 120+opponents and I've personally had to face 200+goons..so ranking high enough to earn 3* not as easy as ppl make it out to be...
Also in most there's a required character to earn the largest amount of points..

You can get beyond 300 - 400 pretty easily with a good 2* roster, there is no GT/XF wall there. If there is then you're joining a wrong shard at a wrong time.

Believe it or not, back before the terrible hard days you have to endure players also had to beat 120 + openents and lvl 200 goons with a mostly 2* roster. I remember staring at my first level 250 hulk in the face with a 2* roster. You aren't especialy hard done by.

DDQ gives you good tokens with improved drop rates, and if you have a single cover of a 3* featured then you can double their covers. Simple as that. Seems to me this might not be the game for you.

rednailz

TLCstormz wrote:

NighteyesGrisu wrote:

getting the first cover isn't that hard. the xf thoress wall ususally doesn't hit until 600p which in many pvp is more than enough to earn one cover.

Aaahahahahaa! Wow. CLEARLY, so many of you giving advice have not been 2* players in a while.......

It'll cost you some HP but join the event early then shield. Typically the GT/Xforce don't start coming out to play until a little later in the event. Grind away 15 - 20 pts a match against other climbers using storm/mmags (while that still exists) and shield. If you get above 400 with a 2* roster chances are you're going to get hit hard if you aren't shielded.

Roswulf

I can only speak from personal experience.

Going into DDQ, I had an early-transition 2-3 star roster, after playing for around 140 days. I had no 3* with more than 9 covers- and hence no 3* who even fully leveled would be appreciably better than Ares/OBW (and consequently I had no 3* leveled over 60). I have never shielded, and never bought tokens or covers, and have built my roster through PvE rewards and earned tokens. I have however bought HP for roster slots, meaning that I have never sold a 3* character for space.

I am missing only two 3* characters (Squirrel Girl and Psylocke- and I could easily have won a Squirrel Grild cover if I hadn't skipped her opening PvE). I have won at least one cover for every other 3*. Frequently only 1-3 covers, but at least one. So I have been earning a DDQ cover, plus two tokens and a large chunk of ISO essentially every day.

Coupling DDQ with luck, I have had an astonishingly good month. Just yesterday, I fully covered my first 3* in Hood. Yes, he only has 4 Blue, but DDQ should fix that inefficiency in a little more than a month. Even if my luck fails, within 3 months, I will have a workable 3* A-Team of Hood/R&G that can hopefully move me into the second stage of transition where top 100 PvP placement is a viable normal standard.

So, speaking only for myself, DDQ can be INCREDIBLY useful for 2-3 transitioners. Transitioning is still not fast- it still requires months and months of daily play- but progression is possible in a way I'm not confident it was before DDQ.

Lidolas

Roster slots are expensive. That is what daily helps you with. The transitioner doesn't have to worry as much about keeping 1-2 covers of every 3* hero he comes across. You can save some hp by selling your (take your pick) covers and focus on the heroes you want. And you have a guaranteed opportunity to earn more covers of the heroes you keep.

LXSandman

Lidolas wrote:

Roster slots are expensive. That is what daily helps you with. The transitioner doesn't have to worry as much about keeping 1-2 covers of every 3* hero he comes across. You can save some hp by selling your (take your pick) covers and focus on the heroes you want. And you have a guaranteed opportunity to earn more covers of the heroes you keep.

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What? Have you even played DDQ??

Unknown

I do wish they were a LITTLE more aware of cover hand outs, so things like today's DDQ doesn't happen. "Oh we are giving away Cyclops today, and also in 3 days as a PvP prize. What you don't already have Cyclops today? Sucks to be you." I realize DDQ hands out covers faster than any other event, but having a PvP or PvE reward come out mere days after the DDQ cover seems like it would really annoy anyone who didn't have it for DDQ.

Lidolas

LXSandman wrote:

Lidolas wrote:

Roster slots are expensive. That is what daily helps you with. The transitioner doesn't have to worry as much about keeping 1-2 covers of every 3* hero he comes across. You can save some hp by selling your (take your pick) covers and focus on the heroes you want. And you have a guaranteed opportunity to earn more covers of the heroes you keep.

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What? Have you even played DDQ??

Daily. I'm not sure why that would be a question. For players that are transitioning to 3*, they have some 3* covers. They want more. Roster slot prices are prohibitive from collecting all heroes. Transitioners can pick a few and keep etc. covers. Every two months (ish), there is an opportunity to get another one of the covers of the hero you want to build. AND you can get tokens with a higher % of dropping more covers. You can save by not buying slots for heroes you don't want and/or are considered useless.

Tl:dr For every 3* hero you want to keep, you have the opportunity to get more covers. More frequently, with more certainty, than before.

NighteyesGrisu

TLCstormz wrote:

NighteyesGrisu wrote:

getting the first cover isn't that hard. the xf thoress wall ususally doesn't hit until 600p which in many pvp is more than enough to earn one cover.

Aaahahahahaa! Wow. CLEARLY, so many of you giving advice have not been 2* players in a while.......

it's true, i haven't been a 2" player in a while, but tell me: do xf thoress appear earlier for 2" players than they do for 3*? That would certainly surprise me.

cletus1985

NighteyesGrisu wrote:

TLCstormz wrote:

NighteyesGrisu wrote:

getting the first cover isn't that hard. the xf thoress wall ususally doesn't hit until 600p which in many pvp is more than enough to earn one cover.

Aaahahahahaa! Wow. CLEARLY, so many of you giving advice have not been 2* players in a while.......

it's true, i haven't been a 2" player in a while, but tell me: do xf thoress appear earlier for 2" players than they do for 3*? That would certainly surprise me.

They generally don't come out until after 500 points, the 166 wall usually hits in between 400-500 somewhere. Depends on the bracket some I'm sure, but I can generally get to around 500 and shield before I get completely outclassed.

Unknown

TLCstormz wrote:

NighteyesGrisu wrote:

getting the first cover isn't that hard. the xf thoress wall ususally doesn't hit until 600p which in many pvp is more than enough to earn one cover.

Aaahahahahaa! Wow. CLEARLY, so many of you giving advice have not been 2* players in a while.......

I surprisingly agree here. How many 2* players do you see at 600 now? For any veteran saying that getting a cover with a 2* team is easy now, I suggest they try to see how far they get with a 2* team + loaner, and record their win/loss ratio after they hit 450 if they do. If you have a decently covered loaner at 9 covers or so it's much more possible, but still way more effort than if you had 2 maxed 3*s.

Also I can't help but not feel too much pity for the people who don't have the covers... 2* rosters used to have to shield hop or grind PVE to get 3* covers with the rest. DDQ is like a gift from heaven in comparison to competing with the crazies in PVE, or having to time your schedule in PVP, and getting borked if your internet goes down for 2 minutes or you can't get out of a meeting which drags on a few minutes too long. I don't get 2 tokens every day, but am thankful for the tokens and covers I do get.

Trisul

Urgh... not sure why but the OP title REALLY bothers me.

(I guess I should write something on-topic to justify this post.)

I feel for the OP. Obtaining covers in PvP at the 2* level isn't possible outside of some major tanking/bracket manipulation. PvE is likely your best bet at earning covers at this point, but that mode has its own problems.

Keep in min that you should still be able to earn a Taco per day, giving you a decent chance to pull the essential you need to earn that second Taco.

_RiO_

Trisul wrote:

I feel for the OP. Obtaining covers in PvP at the 2* level isn't possible outside of some major tanking/bracket manipulation.

Try sitting out a season of PvP and then start playing a PvP event or 2 again. You'll be fighting mostly incomplete 2*s and might even start out against level 10 1*s.
It happened to me, and I was stuck in MMR-hell before I tucked the game's PvP away for a bit.

ClydeFrog76

DPD lets those in the transition build on 3*s they already have, which is the best way of progressing. Why would you want yet another single cover of a character?

I think it's a rare instance of something in the game being designed perfectly from its inception.

konannfriends

ClydeFrog76 wrote:

DPD lets those in the transition build on 3*s they already have, which is the best way of progressing. Why would you want yet another single cover of a character?

I think it's a rare instance of something in the game being designed perfectly from its inception.

ikr, this thread is nothing but someone trying to bring more negativity.

i guess they would rather not have DDQ at all

Pylgrim

shayne78 wrote:

I'm sorry, I know this is going to sound rude...
BUT all these comments on how "DPD" is how us 2* transitioners can build our 3* rosters is laughable
Everyone seems to be overlooking the fact we have to ACTUALLY have the 3* cover to thus earn the afore mentioned 3* cover...

Therein lies the redundancy...

Consequently we are then seemingly "Punished" for the lack of said cover by not being allowed to even complete DPD to earn the ISO reward...

Seemingly a somewhat large portion of the 3-4* players assume DPD is an avenue unto which we can transition when subsequently in fact it is more often than not a disappointing and fruitless venture. .

Dude, if you complain about not being able to get a first cover of a character, it means that you are admitting that you cannot even place top 150 in PVPs... meaning that you are in 1->2* transition? If so, yes, definitely DDQ is not for you and you shouldn't feel sore about slightly older kids having slightly better toys just because having been playing longer than you. Once you level up those 2*s and start getting 3*s from PVPs and PVEs you'll be very thankful for DDQs.

ErickTheRed

I don't understand the complaint; it's seems rather contrary to my experience as someone who started recently. Heroic tokens have about at 1/6 chance to yield a 3*. Taco Tokens have a 10% chance. You get 3* covers from the daily supply. Even standard tokens have a small chance at 3* characters.

I found that in the process of getting several 2* characters fully covered I found way more 3* covers than I had slots for and had to ditch many of them. Actually I find it hard to imagine a way to develop a 2* team that wouldn't involve having some 3* characters on the way.

In any case, getting to 300 or even 400 really isn't that hard in PvP with at 2* team. Sure you see teams with XForce and a full 166 squad, but you just skip past them. Getting 6 heroic tokens or equivalent a week isn't that hard, and between that and the taco tokens you should expect to be getting around a couple of 3* covers a week. Soon you will find that the DPD rewards are your best source for improving the characters you have. The process will still be slow.

danae

shayne78 wrote:

NighteyesGrisu wrote:

shayne78 wrote:

Arondite wrote:

It's not for 2 star players.

It's for 2-3 transition players.

Exactly!

BUT...

You STILL have to have the covers to begin with to earn the covers...

Now, if you could earn previously unowned covers, then it would be viable for transitioning. ..

but that was execactly the point of DDQ. It's for players who sit on nearly useless 3* becuase they only have 1 or a couple of its covers. It was specifically introduced to amend that a bit.

The difficulty in earning a 3* when in PVP as a 2* transitioner getting beyond 300-400 points to earn a 3* is impossible in most cases especially when faced with the (Thoress,XF) wall...
PVE has become a bad joke, our puny 94's up against 120+opponents and I've personally had to face 200+goons..so ranking high enough to earn 3* not as easy as ppl make it out to be...
Also in most there's a required character to earn the largest amount of points..

I'm a player who is transitioning from 3*s to 4*s. In the Prof X PVE I got 124,000 points and landed #6, behind by 3000 points to #5 player who had 2* Thor as their highest leveled character. Obviously, 2* players can do just fine in PVE.

statnut

Pylgrim wrote:

shayne78 wrote:

I'm sorry, I know this is going to sound rude...
BUT all these comments on how "DPD" is how us 2* transitioners can build our 3* rosters is laughable
Everyone seems to be overlooking the fact we have to ACTUALLY have the 3* cover to thus earn the afore mentioned 3* cover...

Therein lies the redundancy...

Consequently we are then seemingly "Punished" for the lack of said cover by not being allowed to even complete DPD to earn the ISO reward...

Seemingly a somewhat large portion of the 3-4* players assume DPD is an avenue unto which we can transition when subsequently in fact it is more often than not a disappointing and fruitless venture. .

Dude, if you complain about not being able to get a first cover of a character, it means that you are admitting that you cannot even place top 150 in PVPs... meaning that you are in 1->2* transition? If so, yes, definitely DDQ is not for you and you shouldn't feel sore about slightly older kids having slightly better toys just because having been playing longer than you. Once you level up those 2*s and start getting 3*s from PVPs and PVEs you'll be very thankful for DDQs.

I am definitely not in the 1-2 star transition (six maxed out 2-star characters) and most times, I can't even sniff top 100. I barely squeaked into the Top 100 on the one that gave out Luke Cage as a reward, that was the last time. I hit a barrier around 400-500 points that I can't get past. Sure wish I knew how other people did it.