How well should a 2* roster do in PvP?

PeterGibbons316

papa07 wrote:

This right here. Make sure to only shield for covers you really need. Take a look at the rankings and look at maybe the top 15 3star characters and focus on those events. Look for BP, Blade, Cage, LCap, Daken, Deadpool, Doom, Hood, Hulk, Loki, Mags, Thor, Patch. Those are 13 good ones to focus on. At this point, only shield for the characters worth shielding for. Save your HP for roster spots during other events.

Good advice again. My Hood now has max covers (only lvl 120 though) so I could have probably done decently in this past event, but I wasn't going to get top 10, and that is the one that I need (currently 3/0/2 I think). Wasn't worth it for a 4th red.

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daibar wrote:

bonfire01 wrote:

The unshielded equilibrium for a 2* team is somewhere in the region of 400-450. I think i'm right in saying you are still the the period of diminished losses at that point or at least only just moving out of it which contributes to it being that equilibrium point.

After DDQ introduction it's closer to 325-350.

Over the last few months it's been like so: (shield cooldowns, 8-hour pve).
No longer can I hit 800 with a 2* team.
No longer can I hit 600 with a 2* team.
I can just barely hit 500 with a 2* team, with luck and boosts.
There are some days it's a struggle to reach 400.
However, Top 100 is now closer to 525, and can usually be reached; just with great struggle, boosts, and shields.
If I see a 40 point match when I'm around 450+ sometimes I will boost and use Magstique, with a second match lined up that can be easily beaten by Wolverine/Daken.

My strategy is pretty similar to Tarheelmax, except using OBW+Ares/Thor occasionally.

"the last few months"?

I'm on day 210 with 8 166s and a 233 goddess. When I got my big 2*s to 94 I had no problems reaching 450-500. That was 3 months ago.

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PeterGibbons316 wrote:

papa07 wrote:

This right here. Make sure to only shield for covers you really need. Take a look at the rankings and look at maybe the top 15 3star characters and focus on those events. Look for BP, Blade, Cage, LCap, Daken, Deadpool, Doom, Hood, Hulk, Loki, Mags, Thor, Patch. Those are 13 good ones to focus on. At this point, only shield for the characters worth shielding for. Save your HP for roster spots during other events.

Good advice again. My Hood now has max covers (only lvl 120 though) so I could have probably done decently in this past event, but I wasn't going to get top 10, and that is the one that I need (currently 3/0/2 I think). Wasn't worth it for a 4th red.

This is also true. Shielding all season long is only good for the 10 packs at the end, and to be perfectly honest it's never worth it. If you're using 2*s, join a laid back t100 Alliance and use shields only to get 2 or 3 covers that you need.

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ark123 wrote:

daibar wrote:

Over the last few months it's been like so: (shield cooldowns, 8-hour pve).
No longer can I hit 800 with a 2* team.
No longer can I hit 600 with a 2* team.
I can just barely hit 500 with a 2* team, with luck and boosts.
There are some days it's a struggle to reach 400.
However, Top 100 is now closer to 525, and can usually be reached; just with great struggle, boosts, and shields.

"the last few months"?

I'm on day 210 with 8 166s and a 233 goddess. When I got my big 2*s to 94 I had no problems reaching 450-500. That was 3 months ago.

3 months ago I also had no troubles reaching 700. Then shield cooldown and DDQ came out. That's what we're saying: the game has changed, just in the last 3 months.

ark123 wrote:

Shielding all season long is only good for the 10 packs at the end, and to be perfectly honest it's never worth it. If you're using 2*s, join a laid back t100 Alliance and use shields only to get 2 or 3 covers that you need.

...I somehow fluked my way into one many seasons ago, but wasn't able to keep up. I'm thinking you underestimate the competitiveness of t100 alliances now, especially after all alliances became automatic 20 size.

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ark123 wrote:

If you're using 2*s, join a laid back t100 Alliance and use shields only to get 2 or 3 covers that you need.

Ballpark, it takes an average score of 8500 per member for a top100 alliance - pretty sure that is out of the question for a 2star roster. That said, it would be a huge advantage to find a top250 alliance and pick up consistent hp for alliance rewards.

Unknown

I have a two star roster and I find it extremely frustrating to constantly finish just outside top 100. I lost count how many times I've ranked 102-110. I wish they would raise the 3 star cover reward to top 125 at least. A whole bunch of people are getting top 100 even though they have the featured character already fully covered.

thanos8587

Alchemist4 wrote:

I have a two star roster and I find it extremely frustrating to constantly finish just outside top 100. I lost count how many times I've ranked 102-110. I wish they would raise the 3 star cover reward to top 125 at least. A whole bunch of people are getting top 100 even though they have the featured character already fully covered.

this is true. many people playing in most pvps arent interested in the three star placement cover(s). theyre interested in the 900/1000 point progression covers, season points, alliance points, etc.

this is why competition get more intense as time goes by. more and more players continue to improve their respective rosters and the one cover placement awards (26-100) which really only interest transition players become more difficult to obtain.

it wont get easier.

TLCstormz

What I don't understand is how in the world you all are racking up so many points???

As soon as I am done killing all of the seed team, which is at about at 150 points, all of my matches go up to level 94, which is okay and now doable for me as a new transitioner.

The problem with this though, is that for every team I beat, the points I get go down lower and lower, until I am trying to do teams that are now level 100 and only getting 10 or 11 or 12 points for them! ****? lol. Isn't that just not even worth the time and effort and health?

How on earth are people racking up 500 and even 600.? This has always truly boggled my mind.

Unknown

2* (pure)roster 300 points , easy . 400 points easy , 500 a bit of work , anything above that u need luck or/and boosting shielding .
2* plus some good 3* will help out for sure .
but then comes the main point , what defines u as a transitioned roster ?
just having many 3* heros in your roster whom most only have 4 or less covers?
i think to be qualified for a transetioner u need at least 3 3* heros who are well on their way to 166 ( 120+) .
i saw and read the help thread about transitioning from 2 to 3 , and thats the biggest issue , which i personally stumbled in myself , i over leveled my first 3* when i didnt have any other 3* hero near ready to back him up , which as a lot of u ppl around say makes matching with a another team in ur same level a bit out of the question once u break the seed teams .
honestly most times all i get are x-force/goddess and a third 3* which is well into full level if not at it .

so , back to the point , a (pure) 2* team normal is around 300-400 , 500 and above only if the player is willing to grind and go to real war (with his nerves mainly lol) .

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TLCstormz wrote:

What I don't understand is how in the world you all are racking up so many points???

As soon as I am done killing all of the seed team, which is at about at 150 points, all of my matches go up to level 94, which is okay and now doable for me as a new transitioner.

The problem with this though, is that for every team I beat, the points I get go down lower and lower, until I am trying to do teams that are now level 100 and only getting 10 or 11 or 12 points for them! ****? lol. Isn't that just not even worth the time and effort and health?

How on earth are people racking up 500 and even 600.? This has always truly boggled my mind.

Probably the skip button? If you wait enough time and then skip your cached components, you'll grab a new set of opponents about at the same rank as you, about 25 points each. However, the difficulty of them will probably be harder. Depending on the event, a 2* roster may have difficulty hitting 500 now, particularly if you aren't used to fighting lvl 120's or so.

PeterGibbons316

TLCstormz wrote:

What I don't understand is how in the world you all are racking up so many points???

As soon as I am done killing all of the seed team, which is at about at 150 points, all of my matches go up to level 94, which is okay and now doable for me as a new transitioner.

The problem with this though, is that for every team I beat, the points I get go down lower and lower, until I am trying to do teams that are now level 100 and only getting 10 or 11 or 12 points for them! ****? lol. Isn't that just not even worth the time and effort and health?

How on earth are people racking up 500 and even 600.? This has always truly boggled my mind.

Sometimes I can't. This last First Bump event was really tough on me. I think the highest I could get was 550 before I got beaten back down to the 400s. I ended up playing until the very end and finished 139th with 498 points.

Once you get to the point where all the teams you are fighting are higher level than you, you have to make the battles count. I try not to fight anything worth less than 20 pts. Just keep skipping until you find a team you can beat that is worth your time.



Agree on how to define "transitioner", you really need to have usable 3* characters to be able to finish top 100 with any consistency. At this point I would say I'm an early transitioner. I have five 3* characters with 9+ covers that are all lvl 114-120, and it helps. My Hood is 5/5/3, and I sometimes pair him with a 4/1/5 Hulk which sometimes helps to slow the rate at which I lose points on defense. I can use Mystique + MNMags to beat literally any team there is........it just takes forever.

Vankysher

Much food for thought.
All my 2* are under-leveled to 75 as my flawed thought process was to level my useable 3* up to the same level to keep PvE scaling reasonable.
For PvP, I'm sure my 2* teams don't scare anyone as I always get knocked around during my climb to 300 points (now 400+ with the my alliance's new min req).
I always had to boost and burn iso to get to 300+ and now after Fist Bump - even more so.
Perhaps I should just bit the bullet and max level the 2* on my roster and leave the 3* characters I have behind since very few have even 10 covers?

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Vankysher wrote:

Much food for thought.
All my 2* are under-leveled to 75 as my flawed thought process was to level my useable 3* up to the same level to keep PvE scaling reasonable.
For PvP, I'm sure my 2* teams don't scare anyone as I always get knocked around during my climb to 300 points (now 400+ with the my alliance's new min req).
I always had to boost and burn iso to get to 300+ and now after Fist Bump - even more so.
Perhaps I should just bit the bullet and max level the 2* on my roster and leave the 3* characters I have behind since very few have even 10 covers?

Definitely take the 2s to 94. Bring the 3s to the 100 to 110 range and they are similar to 2s in health and damage. Collect your 3s there until you have enough with 11 to 13 covers to rely on (user preference, playstyle dependent), then scale up the 3s.

Unknown

For a PVP alliance, I'm amazed you don't have at least 2 - 2* maxed already. It's generally not worth leveling any 3* with less than 6 covers unless you have nothing better to do with your iso.

Vankysher

daibar wrote:

For a PVP alliance, I'm amazed you don't have at least 2 - 2* maxed already. It's generally not worth leveling any 3* with less than 6 covers unless you have nothing better to do with your iso.

Well the alliance was initially formed as being PvE focused and PvP was optional.
Slowly but surely certain ambitious individuals pushed for the PvP requirement and it continues to creep up...which is also contributing to my gradual dislike of this game.

PeterGibbons316

papa07 wrote:

Vankysher wrote:

Much food for thought.
All my 2* are under-leveled to 75 as my flawed thought process was to level my useable 3* up to the same level to keep PvE scaling reasonable.
For PvP, I'm sure my 2* teams don't scare anyone as I always get knocked around during my climb to 300 points (now 400+ with the my alliance's new min req).
I always had to boost and burn iso to get to 300+ and now after Fist Bump - even more so.
Perhaps I should just bit the bullet and max level the 2* on my roster and leave the 3* characters I have behind since very few have even 10 covers?

Definitely take the 2s to 94. Bring the 3s to the 100 to 110 range and they are similar to 2s in health and damage. Collect your 3s there until you have enough with 11 to 13 covers to rely on (user preference, playstyle dependent), then scale up the 3s.

When you will be able to successfully transition is based largely on luck. And by that I mean - for the most part we are forced to try to progress with the 3* draws that we get. My luck has been maybe a little better than average having a max Hood and 5 blue Mystique relatively early. Part of that is due to the events I chose to grind for covers on, but a big part of it is luck. A lot of those Mystique/Hood covers could have just as easily been Beast/Doc Oc, and that would make my transition take a lot longer.

So yeah, definitely max your 2*s, and collect as many 3*s as you can. Which 3* players you get covers for will largely determine your strategy in how to proceed in leveling them.