Character Rotations For Season XI

TheViceroy

Agreed, STILL no Lazy Daken.
I've got tokens waiting for him. Going for the shotgun approach of waiting to cash in a ****-ton hoping to get even one. My 1 5 2 is teasing me at being almost useful.
He's the only character I care about getting covers for aside from 4 stars, which are pretty much made of "unobtainium".

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Vhailorx wrote:

Please tell me you aren't just noticing this problem with the vaulting system in general? This is true of every good character who is in the vault. And in case you hadn't noticed, something like 7 of the top 11 3*s have been in the vault for quite some time now. It's a big problem for people. Especially when vaulted characters are out-of-nowhere required essentials for pve events (a la punisher in the Hulk). the entire system is good for vets and good for the devs, but utterly terrible for middle-tier players.

As for vaulting being necessary to rework characters, that has always been ****, as demiruge tacitly admitted when Sentry and Hood were reworked without vaulting.

I've been saying when it's a problem when they started vaulting guys like Daken and Patch. These guys, depending on your design philsophy, is completely black and white. Either you're of the thought 'true healing is bad, Daken/Patch is a scourage to the game' or "true healing is needed to keep everything bareable'. Either way, you cannot get the conclusion of "so new players should never be able to get Daken/Patch" from either viewpoint. When Captain America went in the vault and Daken stayed in that's pretty clear they're not trying to fix them either.

Unknown

There is nothing more frustrating than getting 5-6 covers for a 3* only to see them vaulted for 1-2 months. And the characters that get unvaulted you have zero covers for.

Unknown

hex706f726368 wrote:

Sentry needs to be vaulted soon. Cause after his nerf, he needs to be fixed.

Oh, they already fixed him, like a puppy at the vet.

Mau-- wrote:

There is nothing more frustrating than getting 5-6 covers for a 3* only to see them vaulted for 1-2 months. And the characters that get unvaulted you have zero covers for.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but vault time is 3-6 months and increasing. There are 13 characters in the vault and they only released 2. Captain America, if the system is unchanged, will barely be released in time for Fourth of July fireworks.

Unknown

"David wrote:

Moore"]Greetings MPQ Community,

Rotating Out: Captain America (Steve Rogers), Captain Marvel (Modern), The Hulk removed from packs.

finally they were out of league, got green or black hulk a lot even i couldnt remember lol, this mean my the hulk gonna 515.......forever (at least d3 maybe will fix 2* cap)

SnowcaTT

Rotating In: Magneto (Classic), Squirrel Girl, Thor (Modern) and Star-Lord added to packs.

- So TWO characters are coming out of limbo

Rotating Out: Captain America (Steve Rogers), Captain Marvel (Modern), The Hulk removed from packs.

- and FOUR characters are going in limbo

That's a problem . Full 3* slate available currently numbers 20, full slate unavailable numbers 13. If 4*'s continue to be added around every other month, in about a year you'll have more 3*'s vaulted than you'll have available.

I add my regular fix suggestion: vault no-one, at least double token drop rate. Fixes the problem that characters aren't available from packs. Fixes the problem that with to many characters available in packs, rate of getting any one goes down. Begins to fix the problem of tokens being nearly worthless, and 3* transition becoming difficult if not impossible.

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SnowcaTT wrote:

That's a problem . Full 3* slate available currently numbers 20, full slate unavailable numbers 13. If 4*'s continue to be added around every other month, in about a year you'll have more 3*'s vaulted than you'll have available.

Don't forget that you'll also have like a .2% chance of pulling a specific 4* cover. We need some cover-pool-dilution solutions pronto.

edit: Made my math slightly less hyperbolic. Already regretting it.

smoq84

We all here know how bad the character rotation is. But we at least know about it.

In my opinion the most unfair is no in-game information about it (at least I don't remember any).
Most of the players are not even aware of such mechanism, every time pulling a token they pray to have a certain character and they don't know it's vaulted for the next few months.
The rotation is invisible for all the players who don't read this forum. This is really mean!

Unknown

The best way to fix drop rates right now may be to retool the "premium" packs like heroics and PVP packs to drop 3s or better but raising the cost of them to offset that change.

Considering the drop rate of 1s and 2s in PVP and in standard packs, there is no longer a reason to make heroics drop a 2 about 60% of the time.


3s going from a roughly 25 pct drop rate in heroics to closer to about a 75 pct drop rate makes them more available even if it still requires prayer to get the few specific ones you really need.

san

I was in the please don't vault any character camp as well, and still am. However, I think the doomsday views on this forum are a little out of hand. I managed to land these characters IMMEDIATELY before they went into the vault

LThor 1/1/2
Patch 1/1/3
Cmags 2/0/2
LDaken 1/3/2
BP 2/4/1
Colossus 1/0/1
DocOck 2/0/3
Psyclocke 1/5/2
BWGS 4/3/2

... I also had Beast, She Hulk, IM40, Rags, and more covers that I sold. You can imagine that as a very early transitioning player, I was irate when they decided to vault LThor, LDaken, CMags and BP, right when I thought I could use the covers. In addition, these four, at the time (season 7 or 8) had been considered the best characters in the game (see the September/October ratings).

However, here's what happened: I tried to look at the bright side (step 1), joined a decent alliance (step 2) and played PvP, sometimes even scoring top 100 with a 2* 94s roster, mostly using cStorm/mnMags (step 3). The characters, believe it or not, eventually came back (some as recent as this season or last: patch, pun, lthor) and I got some new characters (blade, dp) to a decent level through play. And now, I'm actually doing ok, scoring consistently in top 100, and getting covers faster than I can level characters (am I the only one happy to have an ISO shortage, not a cover/hp shortage?). The thing is, the game is not meant to be super quick. I get that. I also get the frustration of having to dump characters for lack of hp for rosters slots (I even dumped 2 or 3 xforce covers when I just started, and who knows how many IW, rags, doom, etc)... However, I am enjoying where I'm at right now.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, have some patience. Enjoy the journey, not the destination (the destination, really is just xforce/4*Thor)... Let's not be so negative, and focus on the fact that 2 great characters ARE BACK in CMags and LThor, as well as 2 from last season in Pun and Patch. This is a good thing.



EDIT: I should mention that through luck and play, I now have a very formidable 5/2/5 patch. I got 3 covers from PvE (2 prize, 1 progression) and 2 from PvP (1 me, 1 alliance). The rest were tokens, immediately after he was re-released (I saved a few ).

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Alexraven wrote:

I still think the best thing they could do is have Standards be for 1* and 2* and have Heroics be for 3* and 4*.

There are enough 3*'s now that the chances of you getting characters in colors you need would be low enough that they would not have to worry as much about people skipping the 1-2* phase.

Was just thinking the same thing. Keep standards the same with their impossible chances of getting anything useful and make Heroics actually Heroic. There's sufficient useless 3* to take the place of the 2* anyway, would fit the shifting of the game from 3* to 4* as well.

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numez wrote:

Alexraven wrote:

I still think the best thing they could do is have Standards be for 1* and 2* and have Heroics be for 3* and 4*.

There are enough 3*'s now that the chances of you getting characters in colors you need would be low enough that they would not have to worry as much about people skipping the 1-2* phase.

Was just thinking the same thing. Keep standards the same with their impossible chances of getting anything useful and make Heroics actually Heroic. There's sufficient useless 3* to take the place of the 2* anyway, would fit the shifting of the game from 3* to 4* as well.

Exactly. And with what? 33 3*'s now and rising, with all but Rags having 3 covers, you're still looking at about a 1 in 100 chance of getting the right color for the right character. And thats not taking into account the chance that you might get a 4* instead. I think those are pretty fair odds without "giving" them away. Especially considering that the odds will only continue to decline as new characters are added.

Just seems like the easiest fix to me that would solve multiple issues.

Edit:: I should have asked why they couldn't do this as one of my questions for the Q&A, lol.

rawfsu

Maybe it's just me, but I've gotten some GREAT gold token covers with Standard Tokens, including a Blade cover just this week. I do say, however, that gold token drop rates with Heroic tokens have been HORRIBLE. There's something wrong when I'm seeing better results with Standards as compared to Heroics. I think this is the issue that needs to be addressed. There just has to be a better gold cover drop rate in the Heroics. I find myself getting more excited about Standards, and this just can't be. I don't think it would hurt to incorporate some kind of reward or something that GUARANTEES a gold cover drop beyond the Anniversary Week event, which was AWESOME if you were able to be a part of it. Perhaps this could take place once a month? Once every other month? Something. I also think, as far as these rotations go, that this should be addressed as well. It sucks that characters get shelved for up to a month and basically become useless as progression goes. Also, is it just me, or has Psylocke and Black Panther been pulled out of the rotation almost every single time? I believe they were out Season IX, came back for one season, and are now out again! Furthermore, there has to be some kind of warehouse system for players to put characters out of rotation since we don't really get a say in the matter. My Psylocke and Black Panther are going to stay on my roster and be stagnant for a month (AGAIN), but still take up a roster spot, which is the most precious commodity in this game. Something has to give.

ronin_san

rawfsu wrote:

Maybe it's just me, but I've gotten some GREAT gold token covers with Standard Tokens, including a Blade cover just this week. I do say, however, that gold token drop rates with Heroic tokens have been HORRIBLE. There's something wrong when I'm seeing better results with Standards as compared to Heroics. I think this is the issue that needs to be addressed. There just has to be a better gold cover drop rate in the Heroics. I find myself getting more excited about Standards, and this just can't be. I don't think it would hurt to incorporate some kind of reward or something that GUARANTEES a gold cover drop beyond the Anniversary Week event, which was AWESOME if you were able to be a part of it. Perhaps this could take place once a month? Once every other month? Something. I also think, as far as these rotations go, that this should be addressed as well. It sucks that characters get shelved for up to a month and basically become useless as progression goes. Also, is it just me, or has Psylocke and Black Panther been pulled out of the rotation almost every single time? I believe they were out Season IX, came back for one season, and are now out again! Furthermore, there has to be some kind of warehouse system for players to put characters out of rotation since we don't really get a say in the matter. My Psylocke and Black Panther are going to stay on my roster and be stagnant for a month (AGAIN), but still take up a roster spot, which is the most precious commodity in this game. Something has to give.

Gold token rate is absolutely ****, and proves buying covers is not worthwhile. I got 2 3* this last season from 10 packs. My wife got one 4*. That's not worth $$.

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The problem is not rotation itself but balance of power


If there are enough good character within seasons pool there wont be problems. whatever you get a gold he/she is good

but now in season XI ?

Spiderman / Gamora / Mystique / Squirrel Girl / Storm (Mohawk) / Eletkra / Bag women /Falcon are useless

Daredevil / Blade / Human Torch (Classic) / Rocket & Groot / Sentry / Doom rarely see in PVP

too few characters are good enough to be choice!

where is BP / L daken? L cap also get loss....

still tons of useless 3*

Unknown

The problem is not rotation itself but balance of power


If there are enough good character within seasons pool there wont be problems. whatever you get a gold he/she is good

but now in season XI ?

Spiderman / Gamora / Mystique / Squirrel Girl / Storm (Mohawk) / Eletkra / Bag women /Falcon are useless

Daredevil / Blade / Human Torch (Classic) / Rocket & Groot / Sentry / Doom rarely see in PVP

too few characters are good enough to be choice!

where is BP / L daken? L cap also get loss....

still tons of useless 3*....even 4*

dont tell me never get good choice to get specify character in big pool, I dont think you can get any specify cover by token even now.

yogi_

Updated main listing and something new for the people at home:

Planning ahead? Characters most eligible to be rotated out next season
= all 3* characters – returned characters – new characters this season
Blade
Deadpool
Falcon
Gamora
Hood
Luke Cage
Mystique
Rocket and Groot
Sentry
Spider-Man
Storm

Nellobee

yogi_ wrote:

Updated main listing and something new for the people at home:

Planning ahead? Characters most eligible to be rotated out next season
= all 3* characters – returned characters – new characters this season
Blade
Deadpool
Falcon
Gamora
Hood
Luke Cage
Mystique
Rocket and Groot
Sentry
Spider-Man
Storm

I would bet on Sentry, Hood, Spider-Man, and Storm, personally.

Unknown

Gamora hasn't even had a second PVP yet, and she's never had black as the low prize, so they better not rotate her out. Mine is 5/5/1 still, and I've been lucky with tokens. Mystique and Rocket & Groot are premature too, and Luke Cage is ridiculously premature.

Spider-Man was out for a while; I'd think Storm and Hood are close to locks for next season, with Sentry the most likely after them.

dkffiv

benben77 wrote:

The problem is not rotation itself but balance of power


If there are enough good character within seasons pool there wont be problems. whatever you get a gold he/she is good

but now in season XI ?

Spiderman / Gamora / Mystique / Squirrel Girl / Storm (Mohawk) / Eletkra / Bag women /Falcon are useless

Daredevil / Blade / Human Torch (Classic) / Rocket & Groot / Sentry / Doom rarely see in PVP

too few characters are good enough to be choice!

where is BP / L daken? L cap also get loss....

still tons of useless 3*....even 4*

dont tell me never get good choice to get specify character in big pool, I dont think you can get any specify cover by token even now.

Most of those characters are playable if not pretty decent, especially in PvE. The only stinkers are Storm, Invis Woman and Sentry. Blade is fantastic and I use him in PvP quite frequently.