Character Rotations For Season XI

Vhailorx

Phantron wrote:

If you have one of each cover you can always buy more, but if you have no covers and a certain character isn't in the rotation then that's not even an option. You have a situation where if someone new heard Captain America is good and want to spend money on him, he can't even do that. This pretty much means they've no plan for future growth. It doesn't matter whether this guy who is going to spend money on Captain America really exists. The fact that you can end up with a situation where you can't even spend money on the game even if you wanted to is absurd. This is no longer a 'we need to work on characters when they're vaulted'. Captain America doesn't need to be worked on. If he does, it'd be easier to completely remove him from being usable at all for PvE while they're figuring out how to balance his shield juggling awesomeness because the difference between having that as an option or not is probably the biggest advantage in PvE that doesn't involve a probable infinite combo. Daken and Patch were both out at certain times, and they're not characters that need to be worked on. If true healing is bad, they simply need to be removed from the game, which obviously didn't actually happen. If true healing is okay, then they're also perfectly okay and taking away the pillars of sustained grinding is terrible for a new player.

Please tell me you aren't just noticing this problem with the vaulting system in general? This is true of every good character who is in the vault. And in case you hadn't noticed, something like 7 of the top 11 3*s have been in the vault for quite some time now. It's a big problem for people. Especially when vaulted characters are out-of-nowhere required essentials for pve events (a la punisher in the Hulk). the entire system is good for vets and good for the devs, but utterly terrible for middle-tier players.

As for vaulting being necessary to rework characters, that has always been ****, as demiruge tacitly admitted when Sentry and Hood were reworked without vaulting.

Cortez

Yay... As a F2P player my best 3* is hulk with 6 covers, but i have no , so i have to wait until he's back. Before him it was BP with... you guessed it, 6 covers.
At least i get thor back. I had him very early (prologue) at 3 covers before he was gone. At the end of Thick as Thieves I'll have him 1/2/3.

Unknown

Was kind of hoping squirrel girl was going to be rotated out!

loroku

Thanos wrote:

They really need to do something about the token situation, the list of excluded characters is almost as long as the included ones.

Completely, totally true. There are over a dozen characters not in packs right now - something is seriously, seriously broken with this system and it will only get worse. Fast.

Unknown

The vaulting situation is getting ridiculous. This is not a long-term solution to the token problem. I think it was an ok idea as a stopgap, but it's approaching the point where the problems it's creating are as big or bigger than the problem it was created to solve. At this point, I think you have 2 options:

1. Revamp the token system so that there are multiple token types
2. Revamp heroic/event tokens so that 3* odds go up enough that everyone fits in the packs

Pick one of them.

Unknown

I still think the best thing they could do is have Standards be for 1* and 2* and have Heroics be for 3* and 4*.

There are enough 3*'s now that the chances of you getting characters in colors you need would be low enough that they would not have to worry as much about people skipping the 1-2* phase.

Unknown

Ben Grimm wrote:

The vaulting situation is getting ridiculous. This is not a long-term solution to the token problem. I think it was an ok idea as a stopgap, but it's approaching the point where the problems it's creating are as big or bigger than the problem it was created to solve. At this point, I think you have 2 options:

1. Revamp the token system so that there are multiple token types
2. Revamp heroic/event tokens so that 3* odds go up enough that everyone fits in the packs

Pick one of them.

All they need is 7 more 3* and they can have 2 types, 20-3* available in each. Should be about 4-5 months.

Unknown

Personally, I'm saving any scathing remarks until after daily pve's arrive, because it is in the realm of possibility that it will fix things.
Daily PVE's can be made to drop 3* covers, where 5-7 day PVE's drop 4*s, but I doubt it.

I don't think they will ever admit to having made a mistake with character rotations, just because fair compensation would deny them an unknown amount of revenue.
And the unknown scares people.

Let's say a player wanted to open 3*thor and didn't know about the vaulting. That's 3 seasons worth of tokens, better pve and pvp results,
if they had those covers, iso they spent on other characters that they would have spent on thor.

What would be fair? 4 of any covers they want? One for each vaulted season and one for all the iso lost/opportunity cost?

rednailz

ronin-san wrote:

As Ragnarok is out of the rotation for Season 11, I'll assume 3* Bullseye drops first. This grants time for us to get Ragnarok's third ability RIGHT as Season 12 starts.

Why is there a need for a lazy bullseye? boring. so many new people could be brought in and bulleye is in no marvel universe a 3*

Unknown

cMags back in!!! Finally I may have a chance at getting his red cover. Though my coworker hates me so hard right now because he's still pining for a red Hulk.

rednailz

Vhailorx wrote:

Phantron wrote:

If you have one of each cover you can always buy more, but if you have no covers and a certain character isn't in the rotation then that's not even an option. You have a situation where if someone new heard Captain America is good and want to spend money on him, he can't even do that. This pretty much means they've no plan for future growth. It doesn't matter whether this guy who is going to spend money on Captain America really exists. The fact that you can end up with a situation where you can't even spend money on the game even if you wanted to is absurd. This is no longer a 'we need to work on characters when they're vaulted'. Captain America doesn't need to be worked on. If he does, it'd be easier to completely remove him from being usable at all for PvE while they're figuring out how to balance his shield juggling awesomeness because the difference between having that as an option or not is probably the biggest advantage in PvE that doesn't involve a probable infinite combo. Daken and Patch were both out at certain times, and they're not characters that need to be worked on. If true healing is bad, they simply need to be removed from the game, which obviously didn't actually happen. If true healing is okay, then they're also perfectly okay and taking away the pillars of sustained grinding is terrible for a new player.

Please tell me you aren't just noticing this problem with the vaulting system in general? This is true of every good character who is in the vault. And in case you hadn't noticed, something like 7 of the top 11 3*s have been in the vault for quite some time now. It's a big problem for people. Especially when vaulted characters are out-of-nowhere required essentials for pve events (a la punisher in the Hulk). the entire system is good for vets and good for the devs, but utterly terrible for middle-tier players.

As for vaulting being necessary to rework characters, that has always been ****, as demiruge tacitly admitted when Sentry and Hood were reworked without vaulting.

Ah, but Sentry and Hood were re-worked in a nerf, not in an improvement. It's seems that nerfing doesn't require vaulting, but fixing does. Which actually makes sense since fixing takes a little more work than nerfing. I would hope and expect some creative and thoughtful approaches to Beast, Doc Oc, and possibly She-Hulk?

Marc_Spector

No Ragnarok rebalance coming with this season then, I gather? Dang

john1620b

Marc Spector wrote:

No Ragnarok rebalance coming with this season then, I gather? Dang

That was my first thought, too. I've been enjoying the character changes and updates.

Marc_Spector

john1620b wrote:

That was my first thought, too. I've been enjoying the character changes and updates.

Yes, at this point I figured the plan was to reintroduce one rebalanced character every month at the start of each season (even one of the others for now if not Rags)

If anything, it just hopefully means they're still trying to come up with a viable and exciting third-power for him (which I hope they don't rush -- Loki's and Doom's have been great)

Unknown

I'll agree with several individuals above that certain characters who do NOT require a revamp should be rotated back in sooner.


The Dakens, GSBWs, Black Panthers, Hulks, Caps, etc, should not be out of circulation for long because there is little that needs to be fixed.

Beast, Rags, etc, need reworks and should rightfully be kept out until they are fixed.


Oh BTW, the devs deserve a major **** for having Thor vaulted this season then making him a PVE prize and required PVE character. Your own stated rules are that vaulted characters are supposed to be kept out of rotation in ALL forms until they are unvaulted.

Care to explain if that was a mistake in the prizes of The Hunt or a case of you intentionally breaking your stated rules?

hex706f726368

rednailz wrote:

Ah, but Sentry and Hood were re-worked in a nerf, not in an improvement. It's seems that nerfing doesn't require vaulting, but fixing does. Which actually makes sense since fixing takes a little more work than nerfing. I would hope and expect some creative and thoughtful approaches to Beast, Doc Oc, and possibly She-Hulk?

Sentry needs to be vaulted soon. Cause after his nerf, he needs to be fixed.

user311

Im happy to see CMags making a return to availability. Previously I think I read a little something about working on characters out of the spotlight. Are there gonna be any changes with the rotated in folks, or was that just fluff.

Unknown

"David wrote:

Moore"]

3-Star Characters Excluded In Season XI;

Beast Black Panther Black Widow (Grey Suit) Captain America (Steve Rogers) Captain Marvel (Modern), Colossus Daken (Classic) Doctor Octopus The Hulk Iron Man (Model 40) Psylocke Ragnarok She-Hulk

This list is getting a little crazy. Are you working on all of these at the same time?? Can there be a new token type that allows us to get some of these without effecting the percentages of the Heroic token? Just seems silly.

Thanks for the communication.

Brendan

rednailz

OrangePoser wrote:

"David wrote:

Moore"]

3-Star Characters Excluded In Season XI;

Beast Black Panther Black Widow (Grey Suit) Captain America (Steve Rogers) Captain Marvel (Modern), Colossus Daken (Classic) Doctor Octopus The Hulk Iron Man (Model 40) Psylocke Ragnarok She-Hulk

This list is getting a little crazy. Are you working on all of these at the same time?? Can there be a new token type that allows us to get some of these without effecting the percentages of the Heroic token? Just seems silly.

Thanks for the communication.

Brendan

I dont' think they are only taken out of rotation to be worked on. They are taken out of rotation to switch up chances of getting different covers from tokens. I couldn't see them changing anything with Lcap or BP, the Hulk or probably captain marvel for that matter

Unknown

Free Daken!

Vaulting useful characters is not the solution.