Arondite wrote: Spoit wrote: Phantron wrote: Why would being inferior to X Force put you at top 20? In terms of pure damage potential, the #2 character the game is still 'pre X Force'. In terms of pure damage potential, x-force is #2, after FT. Speed / kills goes to xf
Spoit wrote: Phantron wrote: Why would being inferior to X Force put you at top 20? In terms of pure damage potential, the #2 character the game is still 'pre X Force'. In terms of pure damage potential, x-force is #2, after FT.
Phantron wrote: Why would being inferior to X Force put you at top 20? In terms of pure damage potential, the #2 character the game is still 'pre X Force'.
NorthernPolarity wrote: onimus wrote: Phantron wrote: Why would being inferior to X Force put you at top 20? In terms of pure damage potential, the #2 character the game is still 'pre X Force'. A character can still be useful without being Xforce. Pairing with Xforce, for example, sky rockets you up the list. Magneto, Deadpool, 4hor, Hood, 3 star Thor, Fury, Daken. Even Captain Marvel. There is also Patch, whose sustain makes him good from 0 to 700 for almost no health packs, especially when paired with Daken. Hulk is strong because of his combo with Patch to create what Sentry used to be. Strong, reliable, quick AoE damage at the expense of health packs. Then there are characters like Captain America who has use in both PVE and PVP, so he's versatile. Or Falcon or Grey Suit who are fringe top 20 for being super strong in PVE. Sentry does not go well with Xforce because you don't want Xforce eating unnecessary damage from Sentry's abilities. He's not good for climbing. He isn't very strong in PVE. And he isn't reliable either. There are multiple ways to be top 20 without being as good as Xforce. Sentry has none of those qualities. Sentry's only real use is to hope people still fear what he used to be. And to damage your team for mediocre to decent-ish turn ending damage. I imagine it is beginning to look like I'm stuck on Sentry. I just don't see how he could be anything above 22 or maybe 23. Okay, something definitely got lost between what I originally wrote and what everyone thought I wrote. This is what I originally wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: I brainstormed a lot about Sentry, and I think that he can be an excellent transition character in a similar vein to Gamora if he's literally your only useable character for a while. The thing about Sentry is that Supernova is still a great ability: 3-4k potential team damage for 12 AP is amazing, and is miles better than most transition characters / teams you can come up with. The drawback of course is that you kill your own team, but if you run Sentry / Loaner / 2* Daken, then only Sentry is going to require health packs. I could see this team composition easily punching above its weight class and earning a lot more covers than most other 3* / Loaner / 2* team composition. Of course, Sentry becomes pretty useless once you actually make the transition and is a terrible long-term investment, but until then, he's probably pretty great. And this is what I think everyone thought I wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: Sentry is still a top tier character. He has the same amount of HP as X-Force, destroys everyone on defense, and deserves to be top 10 in the rankings. He is totally useful in a full, fleshed out roster, and deserves all the playtime in the world because he's super underrated and still super awesome. I'm not arguing that Sentry is pretty weak for someone with a full roster nowadays: there are many better options and I never use him anymore because of that. All I'm saying is that for a transitioning guy with not many other 3*s but for whatever reason has a 5 red Sentry, running Sentry / 2* Daken / Loaner will be significantly better than running another, average mixed 3* composition. Just think about it: your PvP team consists of a 3* character, a 2* character, and a loaner (which is basically every PvP tournament for a transitioner). What 3* character do you pick? I would definitely pick BP / Patch / LazyThor / Punisher / Thor / Gamora over Sentry, and then Sentry is probably equal to or better than every single other 3* in this format. The ONLY point I'm trying to make is that if you're a guy with a Sentry and not many 3*'s, then pumping iso into him could pay off and let you punch above your weight class. This case seems to have gotten lost amidst everyone saying "oh, Sentry is the worst character ever now, why would you ever use him" sentiment that all of us privileged X-Force people are spouting. Yes, he is a bad long-term investment and a bad character once you have a full roster. But does that mean that he is utterly worthless for every single player 100% of the time? No, because he's actually pretty good in that one specific scenario.
onimus wrote: Phantron wrote: Why would being inferior to X Force put you at top 20? In terms of pure damage potential, the #2 character the game is still 'pre X Force'. A character can still be useful without being Xforce. Pairing with Xforce, for example, sky rockets you up the list. Magneto, Deadpool, 4hor, Hood, 3 star Thor, Fury, Daken. Even Captain Marvel. There is also Patch, whose sustain makes him good from 0 to 700 for almost no health packs, especially when paired with Daken. Hulk is strong because of his combo with Patch to create what Sentry used to be. Strong, reliable, quick AoE damage at the expense of health packs. Then there are characters like Captain America who has use in both PVE and PVP, so he's versatile. Or Falcon or Grey Suit who are fringe top 20 for being super strong in PVE. Sentry does not go well with Xforce because you don't want Xforce eating unnecessary damage from Sentry's abilities. He's not good for climbing. He isn't very strong in PVE. And he isn't reliable either. There are multiple ways to be top 20 without being as good as Xforce. Sentry has none of those qualities. Sentry's only real use is to hope people still fear what he used to be. And to damage your team for mediocre to decent-ish turn ending damage. I imagine it is beginning to look like I'm stuck on Sentry. I just don't see how he could be anything above 22 or maybe 23.
NorthernPolarity wrote: I brainstormed a lot about Sentry, and I think that he can be an excellent transition character in a similar vein to Gamora if he's literally your only useable character for a while. The thing about Sentry is that Supernova is still a great ability: 3-4k potential team damage for 12 AP is amazing, and is miles better than most transition characters / teams you can come up with. The drawback of course is that you kill your own team, but if you run Sentry / Loaner / 2* Daken, then only Sentry is going to require health packs. I could see this team composition easily punching above its weight class and earning a lot more covers than most other 3* / Loaner / 2* team composition. Of course, Sentry becomes pretty useless once you actually make the transition and is a terrible long-term investment, but until then, he's probably pretty great.
NorthernPolarity wrote: Sentry is still a top tier character. He has the same amount of HP as X-Force, destroys everyone on defense, and deserves to be top 10 in the rankings. He is totally useful in a full, fleshed out roster, and deserves all the playtime in the world because he's super underrated and still super awesome.
Angela90 wrote: Who is the top 5 on the list? Missing of 1-5 ranking.
eidehua wrote: Angela90 wrote: Who is the top 5 on the list? Missing of 1-5 ranking. mischiefmaker has yet to post the exact rankings, so just wait a bit they should come soon. I'd think it would look like 4. Fury 3. 3* Thor 2. 4* Thor 1. Xforce
Angela90 wrote: eidehua wrote: Angela90 wrote: Who is the top 5 on the list? Missing of 1-5 ranking. mischiefmaker has yet to post the exact rankings, so just wait a bit they should come soon. I'd think it would look like 4. Fury 3. 3* Thor 2. 4* Thor 1. Xforce Let hope it will b out ASAP. Hope that the top 3 will not b having two Thor lol.
zpzpz wrote: Seriously I am addicted to the character rankings. I was refreshing this page non-stop for new stuff the past week and especially for top 5 on the last 2 days. Let me know please when they'll be out so I can stop going crazy waiting.
WeakAssNewb wrote: zpzpz wrote: Seriously I am addicted to the character rankings. I was refreshing this page non-stop for new stuff the past week and especially for top 5 on the last 2 days. Let me know please when they'll be out so I can stop going crazy waiting. Haven't you heard? The owner of this thread got his house burglarized, so he is without a computer right now. It's gonna be a month before he can afford a new one.
Jimilinho wrote: Really don't understand how some people vote, hood at 8!? Behind black panther and capt A!Hood is easily a top 5 character. Can only assume a lot of you don't play pvp's at the top end. Oh and Fury in the top 5 is just crazy, always happier to face a 270 Fury than a 166 hood and co..
Jimilinho wrote: Really don't understand how some people vote, hood at 8!? Behind black panther and capt A!Hood is easily a top 5 character. Can only assume a lot of you don't play pvp's at the top end.
onimus wrote: Don't ask me why Captain America is that high though. He should probably have been 3 or 4 spots lower.
Nonce Equitaur 2 wrote: Some notes on a few characters I think were slightly underrated. 28. 3* Doctor Doom He's #1 in "Most likely to get a good buff." When he returns to tokens with a new third power, I expect him to be excellent against 4-Thor in particular.
vudu3 wrote: Jimilinho wrote: Really don't understand how some people vote, hood at 8!? Behind black panther and capt A!Hood is easily a top 5 character. Can only assume a lot of you don't play pvp's at the top end. X-Force has trivialized Hood, especially at the top end. Hood used to be scary because he would slow down your game quite a bit. Now, if you have decently-leveled X-Force with 5 green covers you can boost +3 green/black, make two green matches and then one-shot Hood. I used to use Hood for hopping all the time but now if I bring him along it paints a huge target on my back. I don't expect to get any defensive wins with Fury but if I use him when hopping it generally means I can get through 3 fights and reshield before I get attacked. This isn't the case with Hood anymore.
a6fan36 wrote: vudu3 wrote: Jimilinho wrote: Really don't understand how some people vote, hood at 8!? Behind black panther and capt A!Hood is easily a top 5 character. Can only assume a lot of you don't play pvp's at the top end. X-Force has trivialized Hood, especially at the top end. Hood used to be scary because he would slow down your game quite a bit. Now, if you have decently-leveled X-Force with 5 green covers you can boost +3 green/black, make two green matches and then one-shot Hood. I used to use Hood for hopping all the time but now if I bring him along it paints a huge target on my back. I don't expect to get any defensive wins with Fury but if I use him when hopping it generally means I can get through 3 fights and reshield before I get attacked. This isn't the case with Hood anymore. I'm getting confused as I still see references to +3 boosts, but I thought those were retired ages ago? Are you just working off of an old stockpile or is there some boosting trick I'm missing?
eidehua wrote: a6fan36 wrote: I'm getting confused as I still see references to +3 boosts, but I thought those were retired ages ago? Are you just working off of an old stockpile or is there some boosting trick I'm missing? you can stack the +1 boosts for AP up to 3. the % damage up to 5.
a6fan36 wrote: I'm getting confused as I still see references to +3 boosts, but I thought those were retired ages ago? Are you just working off of an old stockpile or is there some boosting trick I'm missing?