*** Luke Cage (Hero For Hire) ***
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raisinbman wrote:nick_chicane wrote:I'm very much the same with his yellow. I team him with Lthor all the time, but always use Cage's yellow. Yes, by firing LThor's yellow you have the potential for cascades, but its of course no guarantee. By the time you have Cage's yellow ready for use its a one shot kill on one of the opponents. Far more valuable to me than the chance of a cascade.
Thor Yellow = cascade?
No Guareentee?
I think you're downplaying what Thor yellow does.....
Honestly, I've used it loads and more than half the time dont get a cascade from it, and thats with 5 yellow covers. Thats too low odds for me to use that instead of Cage's yellow.0 -
Cage really needs to be 5/5/5
i got him 5/5/3 because match damage often comes with bonus (strike tiles) and it often reduces even small skills to -1. His black is good but easily replaced imho.0 -
5/5/5 Cage is what I want hahaha
As for what I'd be using Cage for, its really for defense and a punch, which is making me start to lean towards 553, but then I think "what about when I need to freeze a CD and could use the stun of black".
If only the difference between 4-5 covers wasn't so great, then I'd just go 544 and be happy.
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nick_chicane wrote:raisinbman wrote:nick_chicane wrote:I'm very much the same with his yellow. I team him with Lthor all the time, but always use Cage's yellow. Yes, by firing LThor's yellow you have the potential for cascades, but its of course no guarantee. By the time you have Cage's yellow ready for use its a one shot kill on one of the opponents. Far more valuable to me than the chance of a cascade.
Thor Yellow = cascade?
No Guareentee?
I think you're downplaying what Thor yellow does.....
Honestly, I've used it loads and more than half the time dont get a cascade from it, and thats with 5 yellow covers. Thats too low odds for me to use that instead of Cage's yellow.
Of all the moves that "only lead to cascades", that's NEVER how I would describe Thor .
You prob don't like IF purple either or KK,
You sound like Doom blue @ 5 user0 -
How can you possibly use it wrong?
You hit the yellow, it throws a whole load of greens on the board and you wait to see what happens. I rarely get more than a couple of matches, which doesn't really alter the board all that much.
And no, I'm a 5/3/5 Doom so I can take advantage of his black and purple. Again, his blue doesn't change the board enough to be viable.0 -
nick_chicane wrote:How can you possibly use it wrong?
You hit the yellow, it throws a whole load of greens on the board and you wait to see what happens. I rarely get more than a couple of matches, which doesn't really alter the board all that much.
And no, I'm a 5/3/5 Doom so I can take advantage of his black and purple. Again, his blue doesn't change the board enough to be viable.
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nick_chicane wrote:How can you possibly use it wrong?
You hit the yellow, it throws a whole load of greens on the board and you wait to see what happens. I rarely get more than a couple of matches, which doesn't really alter the board all that much.
And no, I'm a 5/3/5 Doom so I can take advantage of his black and purple. Again, his blue doesn't change the board enough to be viable.Unreallystic wrote:nick_chicane wrote:How can you possibly use it wrong?
You hit the yellow, it throws a whole load of greens on the board and you wait to see what happens. I rarely get more than a couple of matches, which doesn't really alter the board all that much.
And no, I'm a 5/3/5 Doom so I can take advantage of his black and purple. Again, his blue doesn't change the board enough to be viable.
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Which is my point. I don't see how anyone can say thor's yellow is a disappointment in any way.0 -
Unreallystic wrote:nick_chicane wrote:How can you possibly use it wrong?
You hit the yellow, it throws a whole load of greens on the board and you wait to see what happens. I rarely get more than a couple of matches, which doesn't really alter the board all that much.
And no, I'm a 5/3/5 Doom so I can take advantage of his black and purple. Again, his blue doesn't change the board enough to be viable.
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Well yeah, cause it doesn't do the 6K damage that Cage's yellow does.
Cage's yellow will kill the guy you aim it at, Thor's yellow wont so you'll still have to face another attack from them before you get a chance of killing them with your next hit.0 -
nick_chicane wrote:Unreallystic wrote:nick_chicane wrote:How can you possibly use it wrong?
You hit the yellow, it throws a whole load of greens on the board and you wait to see what happens. I rarely get more than a couple of matches, which doesn't really alter the board all that much.
And no, I'm a 5/3/5 Doom so I can take advantage of his black and purple. Again, his blue doesn't change the board enough to be viable.
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Well yeah, cause it doesn't do the 6K damage that Cage's yellow does.
Cage's yellow will kill the guy you aim it at, Thor's yellow wont so you'll still have to face another attack from them before you get a chance of killing them with your next hit.0 -
Not for me it doesn't. I've rarely ever been able to cast green straight away, its always after at least one more move, giving the AI a chance to take more health off me first.
If its someone powerful, I want them downed asap, hence Cage's yellow.0 -
nick_chicane wrote:Not for me it doesn't. I've rarely ever been able to cast green straight away, its always after at least one more move, giving the AI a chance to take more health off me first.
If its someone powerful, I want them downed asap, hence Cage's yellow.
You're telling me you've never seen 2/3*thor go from yellow to green?
You must be playing a ROM of MPQ0 -
Thor can be a pain with feeding his own powers for sure.
But.. given that a half upgraded cage absolutely shuts the match down for an opponent offensively, guaranteed, automatically, beyond his yellow and black power - makes him easily the most unbalanced character by far. Hell I went through a bunch of gauntlet levels easily because I had a 120 powered cage with a fully covered red power.0 -
tuscan panty raider wrote:Thor can be a pain with feeding his own powers for sure.
But.. given that a half upgraded cage absolutely shuts the match down for an opponent offensively, guaranteed, automatically, beyond his yellow and black power - makes him easily the most unbalanced character by far. Hell I went through a bunch of gauntlet levels easily because I had a 120 powered cage with a fully covered red power.0 -
tuscan panty raider wrote:But.. given that a half upgraded cage absolutely shuts the match down for an opponent offensively, guaranteed, automatically, beyond his yellow and black power - makes him easily the most unbalanced character by far. Hell I went through a bunch of gauntlet levels easily because I had a 120 powered cage with a fully covered red power.
sorry, but how does it shut the match down when you receive 270 damage less per attack? It negates match damage nicely but shutting a match down? 5 covers in Hyperbole, i guess...0 -
nick_chicane wrote:Unreallystic wrote:nick_chicane wrote:How can you possibly use it wrong?
You hit the yellow, it throws a whole load of greens on the board and you wait to see what happens. I rarely get more than a couple of matches, which doesn't really alter the board all that much.
And no, I'm a 5/3/5 Doom so I can take advantage of his black and purple. Again, his blue doesn't change the board enough to be viable.
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Well yeah, cause it doesn't do the 6K damage that Cage's yellow does.
Cage's yellow will kill the guy you aim it at, Thor's yellow wont so you'll still have to face another attack from them before you get a chance of killing them with your next hit.
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Unreallystic wrote:nick_chicane wrote:Unreallystic wrote:nick_chicane wrote:How can you possibly use it wrong?
You hit the yellow, it throws a whole load of greens on the board and you wait to see what happens. I rarely get more than a couple of matches, which doesn't really alter the board all that much.
And no, I'm a 5/3/5 Doom so I can take advantage of his black and purple. Again, his blue doesn't change the board enough to be viable.
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Well yeah, cause it doesn't do the 6K damage that Cage's yellow does.
Cage's yellow will kill the guy you aim it at, Thor's yellow wont so you'll still have to face another attack from them before you get a chance of killing them with your next hit.
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Not really sure what the problem is here. Thor is awesome. Cage is awesome. They are basically 2 of the top 3 or 4 3*s in the game. They both have awesome yellow powers. Cage is better for dropping a single target. Thor is better for board control and (because of the daisy chain into green combo) air damage. Which ever one is better, it's like debating between the value of $20.00 and $19.99 (i.e. what is the point?).0 -
Re: Thor yellownick_chicane wrote:How can you possibly use it wrong?Xenoberyll wrote:sorry, but how does it shut the match down when you receive 270 damage less per attack? It negates match damage nicely but shutting a match down? 5 covers in Hyperbole, i guess...0
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If I'm facing Mr. Cage I try to bring along a strike tile generator to counteract the protect tile - Lazy Daken is useful here, as he clogs up the red. It's possible to completely stop Cage's protect tile from going off if you have all red covered with strike tiles - his unbreakable skin won't even go off. Even if it does, with five or six strike tiles out you can largely mitigate the protect tile's effect. If you don't want to/can't bring a Strike tile generator, Loki's trickery is expensive but will accomplish the same thing. Make sure Cage's protect tile is an a hard-to-reach place, and you'll have a strike tile equal in strength to Cage's protect tile, so it ends up cancelling it out. Or, bring Iron Fist, and his attack tile does enough damage to make up for the lost match damage (in theory - my poor Iron Fist is only a 2/1/2, so I haven't been able to test this myself).0
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Puce Moose wrote:If I'm facing Mr. Cage I try to bring along a strike tile generator to counteract the protect tile - Lazy Daken is useful here, as he clogs up the red. It's possible to completely stop Cage's protect tile from going off if you have all red covered with strike tiles - his unbreakable skin won't even go off. Even if it does, with five or six strike tiles out you can largely mitigate the protect tile's effect. If you don't want to/can't bring a Strike tile generator, Loki's trickery is expensive but will accomplish the same thing. Make sure Cage's protect tile is an a hard-to-reach place, and you'll have a strike tile equal in strength to Cage's protect tile, so it ends up cancelling it out. Or, bring Iron Fist, and his attack tile does enough damage to make up for the lost match damage (in theory - my poor Iron Fist is only a 2/1/2, so I haven't been able to test this myself).
That is a fine strategy for handling cage in pve, but it comes with a severe drawback: you now have to bring lazy daken or another strike tile generator. laken and most other strike tile egebrators are a fairly significant liabilities in pvp (blade and imhb are exceptions).
Iron fist is a better counter to cage imo.0 -
Vhailorx wrote:Puce Moose wrote:If I'm facing Mr. Cage I try to bring along a strike tile generator to counteract the protect tile - Lazy Daken is useful here, as he clogs up the red. It's possible to completely stop Cage's protect tile from going off if you have all red covered with strike tiles - his unbreakable skin won't even go off. Even if it does, with five or six strike tiles out you can largely mitigate the protect tile's effect. If you don't want to/can't bring a Strike tile generator, Loki's trickery is expensive but will accomplish the same thing. Make sure Cage's protect tile is an a hard-to-reach place, and you'll have a strike tile equal in strength to Cage's protect tile, so it ends up cancelling it out. Or, bring Iron Fist, and his attack tile does enough damage to make up for the lost match damage (in theory - my poor Iron Fist is only a 2/1/2, so I haven't been able to test this myself).
That is a fine strategy for handling cage in pve, but it comes with a severe drawback: you now have to bring lazy daken or another strike tile generator. laken and most other strike tile egebrators are a fairly significant liabilities in pvp (blade and imhb are exceptions).
Iron fist is a better counter to cage imo.
As for dealing with Cage, I just treat him like I do Patch/Laken/RnG - save up the AP to down him in one turn (or close to it), then whipe his red out...just like IF. If I fight Cage, I ALWAYS bring a REAL heavy hitter, I don't mess around with a support team like CMags/Loki/Hood or CapA/Blade/Falcon, I go like Lhor/XF/Hood, some setup that cna prety much down anything in a couple hits. It's not like you fight him 'blindly'.
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