RefinedBean wrote: I define T&A poses as being GRATUITOUS and designed, specifically, to show off **** and ****. I just don't think that pose does either. I dunno. I'm probably in the minority.
Chrono_Tata wrote: RefinedBean wrote: I define T&A poses as being GRATUITOUS and designed, specifically, to show off **** and ****. I just don't think that pose does either. I dunno. I'm probably in the minority. I agree with you. She's just facing sideways and not contorting her body in any extreme way (unlike the Black Panther character select portrait). Nothing gratuitous about it.
RefinedBean wrote: Is that really a T&A pose?
RefinedBean wrote: I define T&A poses as being GRATUITOUS and designed, specifically, to show off **** and ****.
loroku wrote: RefinedBean wrote: Is that really a T&A pose? Yes. It's not only an impossible / nearly impossible "spinebreaking" pose ("spinebreaking" meaning: it would nearly break your spine to get in that position) but in fact - as another poster said - this is literally a T&A pose because she's showing T and A. RefinedBean wrote: I define T&A poses as being GRATUITOUS and designed, specifically, to show off **** and ****. Again: this is literally what she is doing. It's not a casual turn - people's bodies don't work that way. You can't really see the right side of her butt while also seeing nearly all of her left **** if she weren't being distorted for the shot. (Look at her right arm - doesn't it look like maybe it's out of socket or something?) She is placed into a weird, awkward pose designed to show T&A that has no functionality whatsoever. It's not an active pose, it's not designed to show her being strong or beguiling or mysterious - it is 100% designed to show her boob and **** at the same time in a gratuitous fashion. That's it. Now, this DOES happen so often in comics / gaming / generally any geek culture that it's easy to forget that every time you see it, it's a gratuitous sexist pose. That doesn't make it better.
GuiltTrip wrote: They should have just went with Mystique issue 20 cover, if they wanted to go away from T&A. This one is just plain odd, and really doesn't feature the featured character at all. Personally, I would have just went with one of the classics in her white outfit. I'm sure there were some that would have been great, but nothing came to mind imediately and my quick search found nothing.
RefinedBean wrote: Is that really a T&A pose? It looks really tame to me. She has one of the smaller sets of **** I've seen in the game/Marvel Universe. We could have her sitting at a desk, typing up her memoirs. Would that be better?
RefinedBean wrote: Also, you seem VERY certain of the artist's intent, but I think there's some room for subjectivity here. You see it as a T&A pose, I don't, others do, others don't - I just don't feel it's as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
loroku wrote: Now, this DOES happen so often in comics / gaming / generally any geek culture that it's easy to forget that every time you see it, it's a gratuitous sexist pose.
whereisbatman wrote: Devil Dino has the same "spinebreaking" pose.
loroku wrote: I still feel pretty strongly that an actual person would have real difficulty getting into that pose; we just see it so much we forget how impossible it is and so it gets normalized. As for the intent: the artist may not have sat down and said, "I want to draw this female character from a male gaze perspective that shows her as passive and shows off her T&A at the same time since that will make her easier to objectify as a sex object," but whether or not they did is irrelevant. This is what they produced. The "intent" may have been too "look badass" but the result is sexist. ... Thank goodness Dino isn't human and a gender that has been historically represented in a sexist way in comic book art. I know the word "straw man" gets thrown around a LOT on the internet, but I think this is an actual example. You've just compared the historical and ongoing plight of objectification and sexism against women in comic book art to a dinosaur. You kind of deserve to be slapped.
daibar wrote: loroku wrote: I still feel pretty strongly that an actual person would have real difficulty getting into that pose; we just see it so much we forget how impossible it is and so it gets normalized. As for the intent: the artist may not have sat down and said, "I want to draw this female character from a male gaze perspective that shows her as passive and shows off her T&A at the same time since that will make her easier to objectify as a sex object," but whether or not they did is irrelevant. This is what they produced. The "intent" may have been too "look badass" but the result is sexist. ... Thank goodness Dino isn't human and a gender that has been historically represented in a sexist way in comic book art. I know the word "straw man" gets thrown around a LOT on the internet, but I think this is an actual example. You've just compared the historical and ongoing plight of objectification and sexism against women in comic book art to a dinosaur. You kind of deserve to be slapped. If you are a troll, this is pretty good; multi-threaded consistent complaints. The use of 'straw man' to make a straw man complaint was a fine, artful touch. Next we can complain about how the thread title 'Mystique Revealed' provokes shades of disrobement, and is exploitative of the stripper industry! If you are not, please go to a local community center where there are fitness classes where regular people who bend like this and more all the time. I can't imagine what type of problems you'd have with the other characters, eg MBW.