Phantron wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: Phantron wrote: Changing 5 tiles to a different color twice is nothing like changing 10 tiles to the same color once. In terms of the actual amount of tiles destroyed, it seems like it's actually pretty similar. Of course, getting 5 green AP is infinitely better than getting 3 black and 3 purple, but the actual amount of tiles is similar. You're probably using it on a neutral board on the simulator, but a move like Thunder Strike you'd not use it on a neutral board. You'd wait until you have about 10-11 green and then it'd likely destroy half of the board. To do the same with 2 different colors you'd need to have 10-11 purple and black at the same time, which is considerably less likely. To be fair the limited condition for Mystique allows you to have some ability to predict what kind of cascade you can get and potentially make a better move than the predicted average, but it seems complicated enough to not be feasible at least for PvP where time is of the essence.
NorthernPolarity wrote: Phantron wrote: Changing 5 tiles to a different color twice is nothing like changing 10 tiles to the same color once. In terms of the actual amount of tiles destroyed, it seems like it's actually pretty similar. Of course, getting 5 green AP is infinitely better than getting 3 black and 3 purple, but the actual amount of tiles is similar.
Phantron wrote: Changing 5 tiles to a different color twice is nothing like changing 10 tiles to the same color once.
ark123 wrote: She can masterstroke me anytime
NorthernPolarity wrote: Phantron wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: Phantron wrote: Changing 5 tiles to a different color twice is nothing like changing 10 tiles to the same color once. In terms of the actual amount of tiles destroyed, it seems like it's actually pretty similar. Of course, getting 5 green AP is infinitely better than getting 3 black and 3 purple, but the actual amount of tiles is similar. You're probably using it on a neutral board on the simulator, but a move like Thunder Strike you'd not use it on a neutral board. You'd wait until you have about 10-11 green and then it'd likely destroy half of the board. To do the same with 2 different colors you'd need to have 10-11 purple and black at the same time, which is considerably less likely. To be fair the limited condition for Mystique allows you to have some ability to predict what kind of cascade you can get and potentially make a better move than the predicted average, but it seems complicated enough to not be feasible at least for PvP where time is of the essence. You got me. I guess I now have to support running the simulations on boards with arbitrary distributions, run the tests for every board containing 1-20 tiles of the given color, and plot all of that data in a graph. Check back in half a year.
Lerysh wrote: I use Thuderstrike on boards with 5-8 green tiles all the time. Especially if the reason there are 5-8 green tiles is I have 11 Green AP. Correct me if I am wrong NorthernPolarity, but your simulator runs on randomly created boards right? So assuming a varied distribution of random boards the more destructive power of a green heavy board is included in your "average" tiles destroyed right? Of course you want to maximize your chance at above average results, but that doesn't lessen the value of knowing what an "average" result looks like. To get the same destructive value of cascade from Mystique I imagine you only need about 8 of each Purple and Blue, and then adding 10 tiles, (so 13 purple 13 blue) will mess up the board. 8 of each is very doable, average board distribution even. Casting Thunderstrike with 10 green results in 16 green, but can only match with green. I trust in NP's simulations that the two powers cascade with about the same frequency, I just don't value board shake up that highly. Not above AP steal and certainly not above direct damage.
locked wrote: I don't see why people vote for 5/3/5. Sure damage potential is nice but black is contested by other top characters whose black abilities are just flat out better: BP and X-Force. You probably want 5 in black if you are a transitioner and lack good damage options but frankly you shouldn't be relying on a squishy 5950 character with a 19 AP combo for the damage at any rate. Meanwhile NorthernPolarity's simulation says that Mystique blue at 5 covers is almost as good as Thunder Strike, the best yellow ability in the entire game.
MarcusGraves wrote: raisinbman wrote: what the heck is her icon? lips baby, cause you gunna be kissing your **** goodbye if she lands a fully powered masterstroke which btw from getting to play her as 5/3/5 in the sim only takes 2 yellow from your AP, ill take that downside for the damage done + enemy AP drain.
raisinbman wrote: what the heck is her icon?
Phaserhawk wrote: Punisher already has the skull
mags1587 wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: Punisher already has the skull True, but Yelena and Widow both have a version of an hourglass, so you think they could have done something. Even if they couldn't use a skull, though, what they did use is just ridiculous. Everyone else gets some sort of icon or symbol, and Mystique gets teeth.
raisinbman wrote: mags1587 wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: Punisher already has the skull True, but Yelena and Widow both have a version of an hourglass, so you think they could have done something. Even if they couldn't use a skull, though, what they did use is just ridiculous. Everyone else gets some sort of icon or symbol, and Mystique gets teeth. This is what I was talking about..her icon looks weird as ish yet her tile-icon is fine. They could've just given her a smirking blue mouth, really. Unless they turned Mystique into Wolverine while I haven't looked in the comics why is she baring her teeth??? Makes no sense.
turul wrote: Too bad Mystique cant cast Shapeshift properly twice. (It replaces the CD tile). We should make the devs change this, so Mystique would be more fun and a bit higher tier.
ark123 wrote: turul wrote: Too bad Mystique cant cast Shapeshift properly twice. (It replaces the CD tile). We should make the devs change this, so Mystique would be more fun and a bit higher tier. I actually think she just might be the best out of the new characters (other than thoreena of course)