Question for the X-men about motivation.

budman59

Hi I am new so take it easy. I hear a lot of talk about brackets. How can you tell what backer your in?

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budman59 wrote:

Hi I am new so take it easy. I hear a lot of talk about brackets. How can you tell what backer your in?

Go to the event
Click event rewards.
Click player rank.
Click top ranked.

By comparing who is at top of bracket you can tell who you are in a bracket with.

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Psykopathic wrote:

Here's a solution for you NP. Since apparently sentry is only over powered when boosted OR paired with Daken, I think we can find somewhat of a common ground here, right?

Instead of nerfing Sentry, let's make Daken strike tiles work off of black. Black users needs the tiles more than green users anyways, it creates a new kind of diversity by hindering frequently used teams such as daken thor or daken sentry etc etc, helps teams like daken doom/bp/ whoever else. In the meantime it breaks up the sentry daken combo.

Sure, we could make it so that no character, current or future, can ever have an inexpensive way to make strike tiles, ever

OR we could make an extremely small (all CDs pop at once, getting ONE strike tile boost) tweak to Sentry

NorthernPolarity

Psykopathic wrote:

Here's a solution for you NP. Since apparently sentry is only over powered when boosted OR paired with Daken, I think we can find somewhat of a common ground here, right?

Instead of nerfing Sentry, let's make Daken strike tiles work off of black. Black users needs the tiles more than green users anyways, it creates a new kind of diversity by hindering frequently used teams such as daken thor or daken sentry etc etc, helps teams like daken doom/bp/ whoever else. In the meantime it breaks up the sentry daken combo.

Thanks for clarifying your position, i see where you're coming from now, and agree with what your saying. I guess this should sum up the reached conclusion:
1. Sentry without boosts is not op by himself because 7 green and 8 yellow is slow to get to without boosts. 15 ap + a chunk of sentrys life to kill the enemy team is probably still good, but i wouldnt consider it op.
2. The sentry daken combo IS still very strong in a boostless world, but its more of a symptom of the combo than it is the pieces.

I think my confusion came from how i consider the phrase "sentry is op" to be "sentry is op if any team composition involving him is op" while yours is more "sentry is op if just the character himself is op". Your solution is perfectly reasonable for solving the problem.

Tldr: nerf sentry+daken if boosts ever go away. Sentry is fine without boosts, op with by himself.

NorthernPolarity

gamar wrote:

Psykopathic wrote:

Here's a solution for you NP. Since apparently sentry is only over powered when boosted OR paired with Daken, I think we can find somewhat of a common ground here, right?

Instead of nerfing Sentry, let's make Daken strike tiles work off of black. Black users needs the tiles more than green users anyways, it creates a new kind of diversity by hindering frequently used teams such as daken thor or daken sentry etc etc, helps teams like daken doom/bp/ whoever else. In the meantime it breaks up the sentry daken combo.

Sure, we could make it so that no character, current or future, can ever have an inexpensive way to make strike tiles, ever

OR we could make an extremely small (all CDs pop at once, getting ONE strike tile boost) tweak to Sentry

That would cause an absurd uproar unfortunately. People would be complaining that world rupture is now useless because only it does molotov levels of damage while hurting your own team, which might not fit with sentrys theme of high damage for high cost. I still stand by the 12ap nerf so that people dont go into an uproar since itll still do the same amount of damage. Psykos daken fix would be good in a boostless world as well, but wouldnt cut it while boosts exist unfortunately.

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NorthernPolarity wrote:

Psykopathic wrote:

Here's a solution for you NP. Since apparently sentry is only over powered when boosted OR paired with Daken, I think we can find somewhat of a common ground here, right?

Instead of nerfing Sentry, let's make Daken strike tiles work off of black. Black users needs the tiles more than green users anyways, it creates a new kind of diversity by hindering frequently used teams such as daken thor or daken sentry etc etc, helps teams like daken doom/bp/ whoever else. In the meantime it breaks up the sentry daken combo.

Thanks for clarifying your position, i see where you're coming from now, and agree with what your saying. I guess this should sum up the reached conclusion:
1. Sentry without boosts is not op by himself because 7 green and 8 yellow is slow to get to without boosts. 15 ap + a chunk of sentrys life to kill the enemy team is probably still good, but i wouldnt consider it op.
2. The sentry daken combo IS still very strong in a boostless world, but its more of a symptom of the combo than it is the pieces.

I think my confusion came from how i consider the phrase "sentry is op" to be "sentry is op if any team composition involving him is op" while yours is more "sentry is op if just the character himself is op". Your solution is perfectly reasonable for solving the problem.

Tldr: nerf sentry+daken if boosts ever go away. Sentry is fine without boosts, op with by himself.

Yeah. To trim down the argument. When boosted, there's no time to interfere with sentry, making him hard to stop.

Non boosted, there is a ton of time for things to happen bringing him down to par.

the only thing I could think of with boosts is to just eliminate the +3 to all completely. Doubt that would happen but I think it is the best thing to fix the current meta game.




Solution - take daken off green. Too many amazing green powers that are highly used. Move him to compliment a weaker color. Black or blue.

Remove +3 to all boosts so that they don't have to be removed completely but can't send any1 straight into destruction mode.

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NorthernPolarity wrote:

gamar wrote:

Psykopathic wrote:

Here's a solution for you NP. Since apparently sentry is only over powered when boosted OR paired with Daken, I think we can find somewhat of a common ground here, right?

Instead of nerfing Sentry, let's make Daken strike tiles work off of black. Black users needs the tiles more than green users anyways, it creates a new kind of diversity by hindering frequently used teams such as daken thor or daken sentry etc etc, helps teams like daken doom/bp/ whoever else. In the meantime it breaks up the sentry daken combo.

Sure, we could make it so that no character, current or future, can ever have an inexpensive way to make strike tiles, ever

OR we could make an extremely small (all CDs pop at once, getting ONE strike tile boost) tweak to Sentry

That would cause an absurd uproar unfortunately. People would be complaining that world rupture is now useless because only it does molotov levels of damage while hurting your own team, which might not fit with sentrys theme of high damage for high cost. I still stand by the 12ap nerf so that people dont go into an uproar since itll still do the same amount of damage. Psykos daken fix would be good in a boostless world as well, but wouldnt cut it while boosts exist unfortunately.

What about Just making it not hit the whole team? 5k damage for 7 ap is pretty good.

seshoma

Well motivation hmmm
I see a reward for 1100 reward for 1200 reward for 1300
So why wont I go that high ?
And for season ranking I see nr 1 gets 4 × 10 pack heroic,
2-5 gets 3x heroic pack and so on but im looking at atleast top 5.
So why wont I go higher then 1300?
Thats my motivation i want to get my rewards.
I want to get ranking points for my alliance rewards for my pvp rewards for my season rewards.
So yeah some of xmen will post high scores .


+I see this topic is now going kinda about sentry now like he is OP and other cr*pp.
Well let me tell you NO HE'S NOT OP
I think psykotic already explained it.
So I wont explain it
If people just used their brain then you can easily win battles against sentry.

NorthernPolarity

seshoma wrote:

Well motivation hmmm
I see a reward for 1100 reward for 1200 reward for 1300
So why wont I go that high ?
And for season ranking I see nr 1 gets 4 × 10 pack heroic,
2-5 gets 3x heroic pack and so on but im looking at atleast top 5.
So why wont I go higher then 1300?
Thats my motivation i want to get my rewards.
I want to get ranking points for my alliance rewards for my pvp rewards for my season rewards.
So yeah some of xmen will post high scores .


+I see this topic is now going kinda about sentry now like he is OP and other cr*pp.
Well let me tell you NO HE'S NOT OP
I think psykotic already explained it.
So I wont explain it
If people just used their brain then you can easily win battles against sentry.

/facefloor. You know what, i just need to stop caring if people spiderman logic me. I give up.

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seshoma wrote:

So I wont explain it
If people just used their brain then you can easily win battles against sentry.

and there goes the thread......


Psyko,

Removing all AP probably isn't enough to balance sentry. Hes plenty powerful with the standard ap boosts. I rarely use ap all boosts before 1400.



If boosts is the only reason why Sentry is overpowered then why do you start seeing him at 600?

I have used sentry with other chars on a slow climb up to my first shield. there are other combos that make him plenty deadly without boosts. once you get into 600-700 all you see is sentry ldaken or sentry hood all the way to oblivion.

AP COSTS vs Health is the standard balancing method used by MPQ.

WorldRapture either needs to cost more or his HP needs to go down. Boosts exaggerate the balancing issue but IMHO the character directly needs to be changed. He straddles the line of tank and glass cannon too much. Push him in one direction a little more and he will find balance.

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Here's the thing though, why can't you base a character being op based on a combo with another character? If you have an option to have 2 characters do 5k AOE damage with 3 matches why wouldn't you? Sure hulk may deter it but if you see hulk just sub in another team. Then switch back for the next match. Sure sentry alone may not be op but this is a team based game. Boosts aside, sentry daken is an op combo and sentry alone is borderline. I think its more than fair to complain about certain combos.

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My take: It doesn't matter if Sentry is OP in a vacuum, as part of a combo, with boosts, etc. The simple truth is that he makes so many other 3*s completely obsolete that if nothing is done then there is no semblance of balance, period.

If shields + boosts P2W in PvP is what it takes to keep this game afloat while they try to come up with an actual endgame or game modes that entice spending rather than "gently nudge" it, so be it. Not holding my breath however, as no freemium developers have found a magic formula yet, and DU hasn't done anything to suggest that they will be the first.

Fortunately for me, I found this game early and have put in my time, so I don't share as many of the struggles as the casual or transitioning player. Unfortunately for the game, most of the revenue probably comes from the casual or transitioning player. So it seems likely that many long-term issues brought up by forumites will go unaddressed for the foreseeable future.

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In terms of cost, 7g + 8y is probably a lot less than 12 AP of any color under any realistic situation, and even more so when boosts are involved. Sometimes there aren't even 12 tiles of a given color for a while if you start out relatively low on one color, so the fact that 7+8 = 15 doesn't mean his ability is more expensive than the standard 12+ AP abilities. Besides, I can't think of any one move that does anywhere close to the damage of a Sacrifice + World Rupture. Maybe Demolition can do more on one guy, but definitely not on the team.

Daken is also extremely powerful and we've seen they do plan on rebalancing him. Moving Phermone Rage off green would be a good start.

Even if two characters are only overpowered in a specific combination it still doesn't make it justified. If you make Phermone Rage do 2X1 strike tile, Daken would still be a top 5 character in PvE because of Falcon even though he'd be an extremely weak character in a vacuum. You'd still end up a case where Daken and Falcon will likely never be available at the same time for any limited roster PvE event, the same way how pre nerf Spiderman is never available in a limited roster event. I don't think CMag has ever been available in a limited roster event either. I guess D3 isn't as willing to bring such draconian measures in PvP but I'm sure they know the problem is there, and if Sentry stays overpowered long enough eventually you'll see either events or characters designed to make him not work and that'd likely be far worse than a nerf because by the time these things come around it's going to be something like 'Sentry is always banned in every PvP event' or 'send money to get this new character that instant kills anyone whose primary colors are red/green/yellow!'

FaerieMyst

Back to the original topic . . . .

Motivation is a highly personal thing. What motivates one person might make the next person yawn. The fact that you can't understand another person's motivation does not make it less legitimate - and that is too often the direction conversations like this take. Motivation is rarely based on one factor.

Of course, there is the flip side argument . . . if only you understood. We have this false notion that understanding something lends legitimacy to it so we either try to understand someone's POV or we try to make someone understand our POV.

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why are u even think that the x-men group is real players? Not AI?
and what makes u sure that some people who reply your post is real players? not crew from D3?

I know this kind of game use AI to make players can't reach the Top

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why4g wrote:

why are u even think that the x-men group is real players? Not AI?
and what makes u sure that some people who reply your post is real players? not crew from D3?

I know this kind of game use AI to make players can't reach the Top

You need to readjust the tinfoil, make sure the aliens can't read your mind. Everything's gonna be alright.

over_clocked

Conspiracy theories, yum.

HairyDave

I'll just dust this off again:

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I thought the long agreed Sentry fix ("nerf") was to just have all his world rupture tiles go off at once.

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The X-men scoring so high seems like a win/win for everyone. They spend money keeping D3 happy, and try make it A LOT EASIER to get progression rewards in the pvp's I can hit 1100/1200 without any max level guys, just riding off all the 40+ targets we have nowadays.

Just surprised this is still an issue.

In regards to sentry, I don't think he's OP, he's just really good on Defence,besides surely people don't want to see more nerfing.
Buff others, don't nerf!!