This is NOT a casual game. :(

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I'm not even running my high level mags for this tourney, i find spider-man more useful to deal with high hp dooms

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Zathrus wrote:

[quote="mechgouki"
As I have said before, this current reward system favors the players who are already very strong, and those not in the same league will never get a chance. Thus, the vicious cycle, the strong get stronger, the weak get deprived of the prizes no matter how hard they try.

Except that you're wrong.

I personally witnessed someone with just a L50 IM35 and L40 Juggernaut get top 8 in the last Ragnarok Lightning round.

Numerous people have said they've placed well (top 2-10, or top 1 if they wanted) in the Bad is Good tournament without a high level Rags.

The Hunt lets just about anyone do well.

The way matchmaking works means that you're not fighting against the top level players if you don't have a top level team. It's entirely possible to place well in a tournament with a middling team as long as you do well against the other teams in your ranking. If the teams you're fighting are too hard then lose to them. The matchmaking system will adjust things downward.[/quote]

I have a 69 Daken, fairly high Thor, maxed commons, and I have never once gotten anywhere near the top 100, despite playing non-stop for 1.5 hrs straight. You tell me that someone with that kind of team can score top 10? I must be doing something wrong then.

Lightning rounds are the only ones I could never score at no matter how hard I try. I hit the 250+ points range, some nut attack me, I'm back down again, circling around that area.

My best result ever was top 5 in Good is Bad. And that's because of playing 3hrs straight non-stop.

And I really, really, really hate it when they place me against teams of Level 85 Thors and Storms. Why can't they ever place me with the 50s Iron Man etc?

I don't know how the matchmaking system works, but I can tell you this. It stinks.

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Any game with any sort of competitive aspect is like this. I feel this game has a good balance of paying and dedication. Casuals have to pay to keep up with those that play more. It's that competitiveness that drives in-game purchases.

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Hang on so now your complaint is that when you're in the top 5, you get matched against high level players who are higher than you in your bracket? I don't really know what you want, you're characters are way beyond mine (my highest is a Level 47 Thor) and I'm winning covers in tournaments despite joining them in the harder brackets.

Your complaint that it took you 3 hours of playing to get higher in a competitive tournament simply doesn't make sense. You seem to be defining 'casual' as 'walz in and win everything with no effort' in which case yeah, this isn't that game.

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right, if covers were so easy to win, what would be the point of spending time or money on this?

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mechgouki wrote:

And I really, really, really hate it when they place me against teams of Level 85 Thors and Storms. Why can't they ever place me with the 50s Iron Man etc?

I don't know how the matchmaking system works, but I can tell you this. It stinks.

We might be getting to the root of the problem here. I've been thinking this morning that maybe the matchmaking system shouldn't be invisible like it is. What if we were shown a "power rating" of some sort that indicates recent success, so that people would understand why they are being matched up against the level 85 Thor/Storm teams.

Remember that the majority of the players are not on these boards, and if they suddenly find themselves facing high level Ragnarok in every match, they may have no clue why.

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Misguided wrote:

What if we were shown a "power rating" of some sort that indicates recent success, so that people would understand why they are being matched up against the level 85 Thor/Storm teams.

That would go a long way towards making the system more transparent. The game as a whole needs to tell the player more what is happening and why. I think keeping the player in the dark about what is happening is the biggest flaw of MPQ. The new buff-icons are a step in the wrong direction, even if this gives the devs more freedom.

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abuelo wrote:

Hang on so now your complaint is that when you're in the top 5, you get matched against high level players who are higher than you in your bracket? I don't really know what you want, you're characters are way beyond mine (my highest is a Level 47 Thor) and I'm winning covers in tournaments despite joining them in the harder brackets.

Your complaint that it took you 3 hours of playing to get higher in a competitive tournament simply doesn't make sense. You seem to be defining 'casual' as 'walz in and win everything with no effort' in which case yeah, this isn't that game.

I think there should be some fairness, in that I should be fighting them in around the same level. And them being 35 levels higher than me, does not count as fair. This is made worse by the fact that you do not recover your HP, and all your opponents have full HP. Technically, fairness would be fighting them at a lower level, or at least your HP restoring too.

And honestly, I think you don't seem to distinguish between a game, and a job. Games are supposed to be fun. I don't think they're supposed to be requiring you to work your **** off.

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Dephro wrote:

The new buff-icons are a step in the wrong direction, even if this gives the devs more freedom.

Let me know when they move in the right direction.

Heroic Packs, 150 Hero Points to 300 Hero Points. What a move.

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mechgouki wrote:

abuelo wrote:

Hang on so now your complaint is that when you're in the top 5, you get matched against high level players who are higher than you in your bracket? I don't really know what you want, you're characters are way beyond mine (my highest is a Level 47 Thor) and I'm winning covers in tournaments despite joining them in the harder brackets.

Your complaint that it took you 3 hours of playing to get higher in a competitive tournament simply doesn't make sense. You seem to be defining 'casual' as 'walz in and win everything with no effort' in which case yeah, this isn't that game.

I think there should be some fairness, in that I should be fighting them in around the same level. And them being 35 levels higher than me, does not count as fair. This is made worse by the fact that you do not recover your HP, and all your opponents have full HP. Technically, fairness would be fighting them at a lower level, or at least your HP restoring too.

And honestly, I think you don't seem to distinguish between a game, and a job. Games are supposed to be fun. I don't think they're supposed to be requiring you to work your **** off.

I think what happened, and what always should happen, is you hit a wall of competitiveness. You said yourself you are not the best, and after grinding for that long, you finally reached opponents that are and should be better than you.

What's wrong with that?

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mechgouki wrote:

Dephro wrote:

The new buff-icons are a step in the wrong direction, even if this gives the devs more freedom.

Let me know when they move in the right direction.

Heroic Packs, 150 Hero Points to 300 Hero Points. What a move.

And now you can buy a heroic pack once a day for 100 HP...nice that you forget to mention that

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mechgouki wrote:

I think there should be some fairness, in that I should be fighting them in around the same level. And them being 35 levels higher than me, does not count as fair. This is made worse by the fact that you do not recover your HP, and all your opponents have full HP. Technically, fairness would be fighting them at a lower level, or at least your HP restoring too.

You want to fight equal or lower level people ONLY, but you don't want other equal or higher level people fighting you when you're on the defensive and taking away points.

And you don't see the inherent contradiction in what you're saying?

I just fought a team whose average level was 30 levels more than my average (141, 115, 61 vs 105, 76, 46). And won easily. Maybe those matches aren't as hard as you think. And if they are -- well, you'll lose and the game will adjust the matchmaking for you downward.

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When I was grinding doom this morning, I was a free doom/c.storm/thor team at almost 1k, and IIRC they weren't even completely maxed

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I am a competetive guy. Sports, videogames, work, almost everything. I love competition...but I also get the casual aspect too. Mpq doesn't have a good enough outlet for the casual player IMO right now. It would be in the dev best interest to do so as well because casuals spend money, tons of money, too and I definently can see ppl being turned off by seeing a lightning round (note: lightning rounds are competetive on purpose) or something of the sort.

that said, I think the hunt is a good first step towards getting both demographics interested...but only if they start go be more clear with their rules. Most new players see a 10k lead and would be sad..while in reality they should be ecstatic.for this event as they can win more than I get for the entire event just by playing for an hour or two in one event. Might not get top prize, but compete more than they should given their comparative time put in. Maybe more 1* tournements...or a seperate event bracket for ppl.below a certain level where you are fighting for different slightly lower lvl prizes but still good for you.

As someone playing casually you shoukdnt expect the best rewards though...there is no such thing as a "casual competition.". Those other games are casual either due to no online multiplayer or because the maximum lvl of difficulty is so low that it diesnt matter.

So..yes, it is not on the casual side of the spectrum. Yes, it would behoove them to give players such as yourself a better outlet. No, its not generally any more unfair than it needs to be. Yes, today is Saturday.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

mechgouki wrote:

Dephro wrote:

The new buff-icons are a step in the wrong direction, even if this gives the devs more freedom.

Let me know when they move in the right direction.

Heroic Packs, 150 Hero Points to 300 Hero Points. What a move.

And now you can buy a heroic pack once a day for 100 HP...nice that you forget to mention that

This is probably the third best move they've made next to the loki nerf and switching covers to 5 upgrades.

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Ranzera wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

mechgouki wrote:

Dephro wrote:

The new buff-icons are a step in the wrong direction, even if this gives the devs more freedom.

Let me know when they move in the right direction.

Heroic Packs, 150 Hero Points to 300 Hero Points. What a move.

And now you can buy a heroic pack once a day for 100 HP...nice that you forget to mention that

This is probably the third best move they've made next to the loki nerf and switching covers to 5 upgrades.

Wasn't around with actually useable Loki...was it that bad for ppl?

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soenottelling wrote:

Ranzera wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

mechgouki wrote:

Let me know when they move in the right direction.

Heroic Packs, 150 Hero Points to 300 Hero Points. What a move.

And now you can buy a heroic pack once a day for 100 HP...nice that you forget to mention that

This is probably the third best move they've made next to the loki nerf and switching covers to 5 upgrades.

Wasn't around with actually useable Loki...was it that bad for ppl?

I wasn't either but from what I heard it was pretty stupid, even on paper.

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I wish the rags complainers met prepatch loki

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soenottelling wrote:

Wasn't around with actually useable Loki...was it that bad for ppl?

As I recall it was 10 purple AP to turn up to 20 tiles (black/blue?) to purple.

It could've been fixed instead of removed, but it was hideously overpowered.

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The problem that people have with Ragnarok now, was even worse with Loki. I had the equivalent of 3/5 at the time in Transmogrification. If I used two boosts in black I believe I only needed one match in black.

Turned up to 10 red and up to 10 yellow to purple. Think of forest fire except no AP loss. Worse than Ragnarok as far as AP starvation.

You see, it really made a mess for people with Thor and Iron Man 35. I think it was chsnged by 2nd or 3rd week