**** Echo (Maya Lopez) ****

Vhailorx said:

Seems like more of a goon specialist. She will be great against anyone who casts a lot (300% match and power damage + 60% damage mitigation is very good given that she can put out a lot of damage at base for 4*). But she will struggle against meta teams where she can't afford to build up her two passives.

All three of her red powers could be useful in support. But she could easily end up tanking more than she should be without any DR. I expect a non-meta but useful support character who can also double as a decent main player for anyone transitioning in to 4* land now.

(Also, I continue to think that demi's determination to continue stuffing the 4* tier over-full is bad for the game.)

If your "DR" means "damage reduction", she has up to 60% damage reduction, assuming you can make a Match-4+.
That wasn't listed in the original teaser preview from this morning.

Odd that they gave us Echo as Task Master in the MCU Black Widow movie (similar concept) and now bring her in within the Hawkeye series (which makes sense since she was Ronin. D3 consider an alt costume). 

Vhailorx said:

skittledaddy said:

Vhailorx said:

Seems like more of a goon specialist. She will be great against anyone who casts a lot (300% match and power damage + 60% damage mitigation is very good given that she can put out a lot of damage at base for 4*). But she will struggle against meta teams where she can't afford to build up her two passives.

All three of her red powers could be useful in support. But she could easily end up tanking more than she should be without any DR. I expect a non-meta but useful support character who can also double as a decent main player for anyone transitioning in to 4* land now.

(Also, I continue to think that demi's determination to continue stuffing the 4* tier over-full is bad for the game.)

If your "DR" means "damage reduction", she has up to 60% damage reduction, assuming you can make a Match-4+.
That wasn't listed in the original teaser preview from this morning.

I mean that she cannot reliably keep her DR up. Sometimes you don't get match4, and sometimes the trap(s) won't stay on the board. Some matches she will have it up at basically all times. Other matches she will struggle to get it up at all. But the DR mechanism is not linked to her match damage boost, so she may often be tanking (with 4* teams at least) because of boosted match damage without having any damage mitigation.

KGB

Unless she gets a big rebalance this is looking like one of the worse 4* in a long time lol.  60% mitigation if you match 4 and the tile doesn't get matched, AND she still has **** HP?

I guess I can see her doing well vs goons, but I prefer my lazy carnage 5* and morbius team for that.  Might take a while depending on the 3rd slot but it's 0 risk

dianetics said:

Heimdall is a good partner to peak at where her trap tiles are. You would need another partner to try and force match4s though.

I used to get match-4s all the time with 3* Iron Fist and 2* Bullseye when prior to becoming a 4* player. With Karnak's red it is equally as easy, and Echo only cost 1 more ap. With Shuri and Heimdall reducing ap costs getting match-4s will be the least of her problems. She probably isn't meta, but she will be useful in a lot of scenarios for 4 and 5* players. 

I would will say 5,3,5 especially since I use boosted 5* characters the most in PVE and PVP. Billy Club would be my choice of red for the consistent stun and return of AP.

black for players in 4* lane could be great against goons and terrible in PVP.

Putple could be really good or bad with trap tiles.  Taking 60% less damage is good for the damage it can be matched or destroyed by the player.  Using with a SC or with Onslaught could be fun.

still just a 4* though

Not sure why this one's getting so much hate.  They're never going to stop making new characters (they'd go out of business), so as players, what do we want the new characters to be? 

I'd much prefer 4* to only be useful for 3* and 4* players, because otherwise they're Bishop or Polaris and I can get attacked by players at lower tiers. 

Do people really want every 4* to be Bishop or Polaris?  There's not really a middle ground for 4* -- if they're useful at all to 5* players then they're way overpowered at the 4* tier.

Vhailorx said:

Tony_Foot said:

Vhailorx said:

(Also, I continue to think that demi's determination to continue stuffing the 4* tier over-full is bad for the game.)

Yep imagine having to look at that wall of required iso. I don't even read them, I couldn't care less if they removed 2/3rds of them. Nothing but champ rewards at this point. In fact Wiccan was my Deadpool Spicy vault this week and I was shocked to see it was level 332. Somehow I've gathered 60 odd champ levels and I've never used him. Don't even know what he does. along with every other 4 star since about 3 years ago.

I look one up if I see someone say 'try Wiccan with the new five star because xyz'

Give the new players a chance, reduce iso to champ a 4* by half.

yup, for at least 3-4 years every new 4* had been either so OP as to be absolutely essential (stunner Bros, Polaris) or utterly superfluous except indicate as they make navigating the roster page incrementally harder. There is no middle ground with 4*s anymore; the tier is just too full.

I think the alternatives are all worse, from a player's perspective.

Barring a total rework of their monetization scheme, which is presumably off the table after 8 years, they *cannot ever* stop releasing new characters. 

Right now we get 4/5/4/5...if we want less 4*, they could go to 4/5/5/4/5/5, or they could just completely stop making 4* at all and go 5/5/5 every 2 weeks.

Another possibility is 6*, would we like it if the release order went 5/5/6?