Which was your least favourite/ most hated meta team?

hulkoye is tough and think I’ve only beaten it once , so I avoid it now 

cap and Hawkeye was impossible to beat when added to bishop 

thankfully that’s gone now 

hulkoye is hard to beat, even with your own matching team 

Hulk is chaotic. If the matches are like sword fights, the other teams listed were experts in a certain way of sword fighting. But fighting Hulk feels like jumping into a blender and hoping for the best. I hate him the most because he's so wildly inconsistent, and it is hard to reasonably measure whether you've got a fair chance at winning the match or not. I don't mind gambling and losing, even against some of the other meta teams in their heyday. But gambling against picking a fight with Hulk feels like having to do it without being informed of the odds. No fun.

fight4thedream said:

JHawkInc said:

Hulk is chaotic. If the matches are like sword fights, the other teams listed were experts in a certain way of sword fighting. But fighting Hulk feels like jumping into a blender and hoping for the best. I hate him the most because he's so wildly inconsistent, and it is hard to reasonably measure whether you've got a fair chance at winning the match or not. I don't mind gambling and losing, even against some of the other meta teams in their heyday. But gambling against picking a fight with Hulk feels like having to do it without being informed of the odds. No fun.

But in terms of comic-lore, that's a pretty accurate description of Hulk, no? 

I am the opposite; despite my dissatisfaction with the overabundance of iHulk/Okoye teams, I find this meta more interesting than the Okoye/Thor meta. The reason is that there's still a sense of risk when taking on iHulk/Okoye teams (and BRB teams as well to perhaps a lesser extent) which keeps the matches exciting. During the Okoye/Thor meta, it was pretty much a given your team would win barring a really bad cascade. 

And it's not as if there isn't a certain strategy involved when dealing with iHulk/Okoye teams. You have to consider the board and determine whether it's more worthwhile to chase TUs, chase red or chase yellow or deny the enemy team green. Although admittedly as you have noted, there's a lot more luck involved iHulk/Okoye matches. 

With that said, there definitely should be counter mechanics available to help mitigate the risk. Just as Black Suit Spider-man basically shuts down Kitty/Grocket, there should be characters to help keep in check boost mechanics and passive offensive abilities. I would very much like to see The Leader be used as a hard counter to iHulk and feel Killmonger was an unfortunate missed opportunity to hard counter Okoye.

I agree in theory.

First, something being lore accurate loses it's novelty when it's something you see multiple days a week for a year, the novelty wears off. If Immortal Hulk were a boss character, or had his own PVE event, or if there were some ingenious way to have him not be meta every week, it might not be so bad. But the things that make him interesting become taxing over the long term, and this entire game is about enduring the long term.

Second, my problem isn't the risk, it's the gamble. He's too... "swingy." I like having some risk. BRB/Kitty still imposes risk, but it's one you can mitigate and prepare for. I feel like Hulk is a disaster waiting to happen, because you can prepare all you like and still fall flat on your face. It feels less like a challenge to overcome, and more like a challenge designed to mess you up. The reality is that, of all the meta teams above, Hulk/Okoye is the only one that has pushed me over the line where the preferable option is to quit playing.

You're right that it would be less of an issue if there were more counter options. The AoE nature of Hulk makes it a huge gamble to try and pick a 4-star character to help build a counter team, which isn't helpful. I would definitely be down for The Leader as an option. There are others you could pick (Maestro, Abomination, maybe Absorbing Man?), but The Leader is the most interesting of the lot (not just another beatstick to go toe-to-toe with Hulk). Maybe we'll get one next summer sometime? One can only hope.

SnowcaTT said:

I would have voted Gambit if I didn't have Gambit: the meta was Gambit or Go Home. Much worse than current.

Thorkoye was 'fine', any level could beat any level. It was getting to hulkoye levels of stupid though, almost everyone running it.

Until BRB, and that's the one I voted for. You can't stop BRB from going on long, and sometimes it just drags on forever. I put BRB/Kitty here: 4*'s were a pain but you know what stopped them? iHulk (+thanos sometimes).

BRB/Carnage is the true forever/annoying team, but BRB/old Bish BRB/Polaris, BRB/Kitty, BRB(whatever)....until BRB fix, he'll be just like Okoye - something else will come along to show how much of a problem character he is. Okoye you can play around, that BRB blue you just can't.

Do you not have any of the many characters that punch through or steal protect tiles?

I figure if Bill were as bad as you say, we’d see him everywhere, but that’s just not the case. I get one or two while  skipping in the sea of endless Hulkoye, which to me says something.

Un-nerfed (the meta passed them by): Panthos, Thorkoye, Gritty, BRBitty

Nerfed (devs stepped in and the meta changed as a result): OML/Jean*, Gambit, Hammer Bros., Bishop

Too soon to tell (i.e. still the current meta): Hulkoye

That’s helpful, thanks. I do queue a lot of 500+ Okoyes, but like I said, not many BRB. If they never lose on offense, and you can’t beat them on defense, I just assumed they’d be the prominent meta team. Speed is easily trumped by a team that cannot lose and just collects blues on defense.  They can just sit and float forever. So if you are saying once you pass the 500+ MMR it’s all BRBitty, and it’s no longer Hulkoye; it’d make sense why our experiences are so different. The mean of my 5* champs is probably 455-460 range. 

Gambit was the one that stuck out to me. All the others I thought were generally manageable.

I'm in the camp of they should not have nerfed him, especially since they had just released his counter. Sure it also included Bishop but him and Apoc could take on any team. Whether they had Bishop, it was Hulkoye, Britty, you name it I could take them down... with ease.