ThaRoadWarrior said: wymtime said: ThaRoadWarrior said: Doesn't appear to - this character feels like a cascade machine though. I think they'll be very dangerous with Profe$$or X, particularly if that <affiliations> turns out to be X-Men The affiliation will more likely be Mutants since they are a villain. This means with Apocalypse you have 2 84k health characters where one can go invisible and the other cannot be stunned. Affiliations are strange, and arbitrary it seems. 4* Juggernaut has Villain, X-Men (perhaps due to his familial relationship to Professor X?) whereas Sabretooth is simply Villains, Mutants. Mr. Sinister is merely Villains, though Apocalypse is Villains, Mutants. Dak3n is Mutants, Villains (in that order for some reason) with 2* Daken being Villains, Dark Avengers, Mutants, and Mystique is Villains, Mutants. Magn3to is Villains, Mutants, but 2* Magneto is Heroes, X-Men, Mutants. It often seems to me that these tags are for mechanical synergy over comics consistency- I maintain that Juggernaut has X-Men specifically to synergize with Kitty/Rocket, since he is specifically excluded from synergizing with Okoye.
wymtime said: ThaRoadWarrior said: Doesn't appear to - this character feels like a cascade machine though. I think they'll be very dangerous with Profe$$or X, particularly if that <affiliations> turns out to be X-Men The affiliation will more likely be Mutants since they are a villain. This means with Apocalypse you have 2 84k health characters where one can go invisible and the other cannot be stunned.
ThaRoadWarrior said: Doesn't appear to - this character feels like a cascade machine though. I think they'll be very dangerous with Profe$$or X, particularly if that <affiliations> turns out to be X-Men
DAZ0273 said: Kang, Annihilus, Dormammu, Surtur are all cosmic level threats. We also have very little representation from the Olympian Pantheon where Hades is also a outerworldly threat level. Then there is the Supreme Intelligence and the Shiar not least Gladiator. Shuma Gorath, the Celestials, Korvac, etc etc etc
bluewolf said: jamesh said: DAZ0273 said: If this is Onslaught, will it lock Prof X out? Seems unlikely if it has a different primary name: that would require new constraints in the character selection logic that don't currently exist.As far as comics logic goes, isn't Onslaught an independent entity to Xavier and Magneto these days? That's a good point re: the character name. Reading online, I guess Onslaught was technically a separate psychic entity. I forgot that he was not using Xavier's body in any way.There is no "Onslaught these days" unless they've added him to recent X-men books, as I'm not caught up. Otherwise he's been destroyed for a couple decades. There was a "Red Onslaught" involved during Axis when the Red Skull grafted part of Xavier's brain to his.
jamesh said: DAZ0273 said: If this is Onslaught, will it lock Prof X out? Seems unlikely if it has a different primary name: that would require new constraints in the character selection logic that don't currently exist.As far as comics logic goes, isn't Onslaught an independent entity to Xavier and Magneto these days?
DAZ0273 said: If this is Onslaught, will it lock Prof X out?
Seems unlikely if it has a different primary name: that would require new constraints in the character selection logic that don't currently exist.
As far as comics logic goes, isn't Onslaught an independent entity to Xavier and Magneto these days?
There have been a few follow-up miniseries after the classic Heroes Reborn story line, the last being 2011's Onslaught Unleashed. In these followups Onslaught was a psychic entity that could possess other people, rather than a dissociative identity of Xavier.
None of those miniseries killed the character off, so we have to assume that is still the status quo.
Borstock said: Absolutely no chance I cover this one, so I hope they don't define any new metas.
krakenoon said: I always thought Juggernaut was affiliated with X-Men because the artwork makes it look like it was the Colossus version. To be honest, I wasn’t keeping up with the comics at the time and never checked to see if they could both be on the same team.
bluewolf said: ThaRoadWarrior said: wymtime said: ThaRoadWarrior said: Doesn't appear to - this character feels like a cascade machine though. I think they'll be very dangerous with Profe$$or X, particularly if that <affiliations> turns out to be X-Men The affiliation will more likely be Mutants since they are a villain. This means with Apocalypse you have 2 84k health characters where one can go invisible and the other cannot be stunned. Affiliations are strange, and arbitrary it seems. 4* Juggernaut has Villain, X-Men (perhaps due to his familial relationship to Professor X?) whereas Sabretooth is simply Villains, Mutants. Mr. Sinister is merely Villains, though Apocalypse is Villains, Mutants. Dak3n is Mutants, Villains (in that order for some reason) with 2* Daken being Villains, Dark Avengers, Mutants, and Mystique is Villains, Mutants. Magn3to is Villains, Mutants, but 2* Magneto is Heroes, X-Men, Mutants. It often seems to me that these tags are for mechanical synergy over comics consistency- I maintain that Juggernaut has X-Men specifically to synergize with Kitty/Rocket, since he is specifically excluded from synergizing with Okoye. Juggernaut was an X-man for a while, but he wasn't on the team when he became possessed by Knull. So it makes a little sense to include the affiliation.Sabretooth was ALSO an X-man for a time......who knows why they left if off him.Mr. Sinister isn't a mutant. Never was an X-man. Apocalypse is known at The First Mutant (in chronology, although Namor was the first on in a published comic).I dunno why 3Daken isn't a Dark Avenger, seems like an oversight for some reason. Mystique was an X-man for a time so I guess that's another oversight?3Mags is representing the normal status he has had, as in not-an-X-man. While 2Mags is from the era when he was on the team and one of the leaders.
Serious question wasn’t Sinister considered a mutant? I ask because my knowledge of Mr Sinister comes from the 80’s cartoon show and I thought he was a mutant at that point in time during the savage land episodes.
Bad said: Sinister was an human biologist( without principles) studying mutant powers. He searched and waked up apocalypse and he altered him genetically turning him into a inmortal being with telekinesis.All other powers he could have after that are from his genetical researchs.
The contemporary version in the comics is definitely a mutant. He was born a human, and was a human when Apocalypse genetically altered him. However, continued to clone and experiment on himself.
During the House of X storyline, it is established that at least one of these clones had been modified to have the mutant X gene, and that clone killed the non-mutant Sinister and took over as the primary Sinister.
jamesh said: Bad said: Sinister was an human biologist( without principles) studying mutant powers. He searched and waked up apocalypse and he altered him genetically turning him into a inmortal being with telekinesis.All other powers he could have after that are from his genetical researchs. The contemporary version in the comics is definitely a mutant. He was born a human, and was a human when Apocalypse genetically altered him. However, continued to clone and experiment on himself.During the House of X storyline, it is established that at least one of these clones had been modified to have the mutant X gene, and that clone killed the non-mutant Sinister and took over as the primary Sinister.