MissoesRicRose said: another Thanos, and more character repetition, damn it!
himatako said: I'm not sure if I like him. His blue seems too slow to stop Gritty as it won't fire on your first turn when you're on an offense.
DAZ0273 said: MissoesRicRose said: another Thanos, and more character repetition, damn it! Well considering the only "new" character we know about in Endgame is Ronin who we are getting, who were you expecting other wise?
MissoesRicRose said: There really is a question. Why did not they put Ronin in? But they decided to put another character repeated, which in my view, if it was to promote the film, could promote otherwise, as making alternative costumes for the existing characters as they have done lately. But wanting to push another Thanos, with the absence of countless heroes and villains still, is very difficult to put up with.
MissoesRicRose said: DAZ0273 said: MissoesRicRose said: another Thanos, and more character repetition, damn it! Well considering the only "new" character we know about in Endgame is Ronin who we are getting, who were you expecting other wise? There really is a question. Why did not they put Ronin in? But they decided to put another character repeated, which in my view, if it was to promote the film, could promote otherwise, as making alternative costumes for the existing characters as they have done lately. But wanting to push another Thanos, with the absence of countless heroes and villains still, is very difficult to put up with.
JHawkInc said:So another Thanos is bad, but another Hawkeye is okay? I'm not following.
Thanos said: Brigby Does his blue ability only create green tiles if he removes a special tile or doesn't it matter if he removes a tile or not?
KGB said: helix72 said: His green to me is a more expensive version of Carnage’s. At 270:Carnage Green: 6 AP, destroys 16 tiles (no AP), 651 per specialThanos Green: 12 AP, destroys 32 tiles (no damage or AP), 1576 per specialCarnage’s extra 16 tile damage adds an average of 693 damage to Carnage’s expected output. Thanos’s passive will be removing enemy special tiles but he only needs to hit 6 specials (enemy or friendly) to exceed double Carnage’s expected output. So I guess I’ll try him with Cardusa. It will be interesting to see if the green generation accelerates the team enough to outweigh the slow animation and make it viable.My comparison makes one assumption I don’t actually know is true: if Carnage’s green power destroys a color where he is not the strongest user on the team, is the damage generated his damage or the strongest user’s damage? If the latter, then a Thanos is never better on a per AP cost basis because of the damage cap. You might want to rework your math a bit. When 4Thanos green is at 4 covers or more, he does damage for *all* tiles destroyed just like Carnage. Only he destroys 32 tiles instead of 16.KGB
helix72 said: His green to me is a more expensive version of Carnage’s. At 270:Carnage Green: 6 AP, destroys 16 tiles (no AP), 651 per specialThanos Green: 12 AP, destroys 32 tiles (no damage or AP), 1576 per specialCarnage’s extra 16 tile damage adds an average of 693 damage to Carnage’s expected output. Thanos’s passive will be removing enemy special tiles but he only needs to hit 6 specials (enemy or friendly) to exceed double Carnage’s expected output. So I guess I’ll try him with Cardusa. It will be interesting to see if the green generation accelerates the team enough to outweigh the slow animation and make it viable.My comparison makes one assumption I don’t actually know is true: if Carnage’s green power destroys a color where he is not the strongest user on the team, is the damage generated his damage or the strongest user’s damage? If the latter, then a Thanos is never better on a per AP cost basis because of the damage cap.
ZootSax said: JHawkInc said:So another Thanos is bad, but another Hawkeye is okay? I'm not following. I was about to draft a joking response to this, but realized that another Hawkeye should ALWAYS be welcome in this game because all five (including Kate) existing versions of Hawkeye are solidly mid-tier-or-above characters with at least one truly unique ability relative to the rest of their tier, if not the entire game.
Brigby said: Thanos said: Brigby Does his blue ability only create green tiles if he removes a special tile or doesn't it matter if he removes a tile or not? His Passive Blue ability does in fact require for there to be enemy special tiles on the board, in order to trigger.
ThaRoadWarrior said: Brigby said: Brigby Does his green benefit from Wakanda Forever? Or does it fall under the Gho5t Rider clause of being a tile-destruction power even though it does different damage than a basic match? I gave it a try, and it doesn't seem like his green benefits from Wakanda Forever. Bummer. Given that Domino's Knock Them Down power DOES benefit from Wakanda forever (just tested it in Simulator), it can be hard sometimes to predict which ones are and are not going to benefit from it.
Brigby said: Brigby Does his green benefit from Wakanda Forever? Or does it fall under the Gho5t Rider clause of being a tile-destruction power even though it does different damage than a basic match? I gave it a try, and it doesn't seem like his green benefits from Wakanda Forever.
Brigby Does his green benefit from Wakanda Forever? Or does it fall under the Gho5t Rider clause of being a tile-destruction power even though it does different damage than a basic match?
ThaRoadWarrior said: Generally "start of turn" powers don't fire at battle start - see 3* Fist's attack tile placement, Cag3's defend tile placement, Medusa's Entanglement placement, etc. Those appear on the player's second turn for some reason. For a very explicit example of the distinction between "start of battle" and "at the start of the turn" see Main Event Hulk: Grand Entrance that has both conditions. At start of battle, break a bunch of tiles. then take your first turn, followed by the enemy turn. THEN, at the start of your second turn, the passive tile swap happens for the first time. I think he would make a solid anti-Gritty with Main Event in the picture to get that initial board-blast going, but you're definitely going to eat whatever they serve up on the actual first "start of battle" turn.
JHawkInc said: MissoesRicRose said: DAZ0273 said: MissoesRicRose said: another Thanos, and more character repetition, damn it! Well considering the only "new" character we know about in Endgame is Ronin who we are getting, who were you expecting other wise? There really is a question. Why did not they put Ronin in? But they decided to put another character repeated, which in my view, if it was to promote the film, could promote otherwise, as making alternative costumes for the existing characters as they have done lately. But wanting to push another Thanos, with the absence of countless heroes and villains still, is very difficult to put up with. So another Thanos is bad, but another Hawkeye is okay? I'm not following.
MissoesRicRose said: JHawkInc said: MissoesRicRose said: DAZ0273 said: MissoesRicRose said: another Thanos, and more character repetition, damn it! Well considering the only "new" character we know about in Endgame is Ronin who we are getting, who were you expecting other wise? There really is a question. Why did not they put Ronin in? But they decided to put another character repeated, which in my view, if it was to promote the film, could promote otherwise, as making alternative costumes for the existing characters as they have done lately. But wanting to push another Thanos, with the absence of countless heroes and villains still, is very difficult to put up with. So another Thanos is bad, but another Hawkeye is okay? I'm not following. You're right. I put Ronin as a good option, but it really is not. Neither Thanos nor Hawkeye are good choices (in my opinion). Faced with the infinity of characters that are not contained in the game.In my opinion, if it was to promote the film, they could have made alternative costumes for the characters, rather than fill us up (again) so often with repeated characters.
JHawkInc said: ZootSax said: JHawkInc said:So another Thanos is bad, but another Hawkeye is okay? I'm not following. I was about to draft a joking response to this, but realized that another Hawkeye should ALWAYS be welcome in this game because all five (including Kate) existing versions of Hawkeye are solidly mid-tier-or-above characters with at least one truly unique ability relative to the rest of their tier, if not the entire game. Real talk? Back when we only had 1*/2* Clint, and were starting to recognize that the MCU characters were getting a 5*, I really hoped we would get a 5* version of the 2*s Speed Shot. Because a 5-star version of that power would be amazing. (well, it have been amazing then, now it would probably be anchored to a repeater that takes a turn or two too long to be useful, but still)