Brigby said: OmegaLolrus said: Brigby said: Hi Everyone. Just wanted to pop in to clear the air on a couple of things:Here are the intended behaviors of Summon vs Cast Summon counts for creatures that enter the battlefield from anywhere. This also counts tokens too.Cast counts only creatures that enter the battlefield from your hand.The team is aware of certain event objectives behaving incorrectly when considering the above rules. These are all objectives the team have to individually adjust, so this will be a gradual correction over time.Thank you all for your patience and understanding!In the correcting portion, does that include the issue with things like Dowsing Dagger? It's a really negative game experience when I'm two rounds in, haven't cast a single creature, and I've already failed the "cast 2 or less creatures" objective. Since Cast should only count creatures that enter the battlefield from your hand, and Dowsing Daggers summons tokens instead as part of its ability, it makes sense that the objective being adjusted should also solve that issue.
OmegaLolrus said: Brigby said: Hi Everyone. Just wanted to pop in to clear the air on a couple of things:Here are the intended behaviors of Summon vs Cast Summon counts for creatures that enter the battlefield from anywhere. This also counts tokens too.Cast counts only creatures that enter the battlefield from your hand.The team is aware of certain event objectives behaving incorrectly when considering the above rules. These are all objectives the team have to individually adjust, so this will be a gradual correction over time.Thank you all for your patience and understanding!In the correcting portion, does that include the issue with things like Dowsing Dagger? It's a really negative game experience when I'm two rounds in, haven't cast a single creature, and I've already failed the "cast 2 or less creatures" objective.
Brigby said: Hi Everyone. Just wanted to pop in to clear the air on a couple of things:Here are the intended behaviors of Summon vs Cast Summon counts for creatures that enter the battlefield from anywhere. This also counts tokens too.Cast counts only creatures that enter the battlefield from your hand.The team is aware of certain event objectives behaving incorrectly when considering the above rules. These are all objectives the team have to individually adjust, so this will be a gradual correction over time.Thank you all for your patience and understanding!
tryptic said: @Brigby For the event this weekend, will we get Cast X or Less instead of Summon X or less, so that the problem with the opponent carrying Downsing Dagger is not an issue?
Avahad said: So what’s basically being said is that summon less than x objectives should NEVER be a thing as that can leave the objective luck based?so we should see the remaining ones of those changed to cast less than x objectives in the very near future?
Machine said: Brigby: what about stealing creatures (either temporarily with Act of Treason, or permanently with In Bolas's Clutches)? Since these are already on the battlefield, these creatures shouldn't count towards both Cast and Summon. I've seen reports by players that stealing creatures also count as summoning.
tryptic said: Brigby For the event this weekend, will we get Cast X or Less instead of Summon X or less, so that the problem with the opponent carrying Downsing Dagger is not an issue?
starfall said: Brigby said:Update: I just spoke with the team, and here is what they said: Stealing creatures "will only count if the gain control effect is permanent. For cases like Willbreaker (the card [goes] back to the owner at the end of the turn) the 'summoning' doesn't count" The fact that stealing creatures counts as them 'entering the battlefield' in any circumstances is counter-intuitive, especially to players who have a background in paper MTG. I'd suggest that this is changed.
Brigby said:Update: I just spoke with the team, and here is what they said: Stealing creatures "will only count if the gain control effect is permanent. For cases like Willbreaker (the card [goes] back to the owner at the end of the turn) the 'summoning' doesn't count"
tryptic said: Brigby This flaw had a major impact on my event this past weekend, and I know I am not alone. What update can you provide about correcting objectives to 'Cast' over 'Summon'?
Brigby said: I'm terribly sorry to hear that this impacted your event last weekend. If you've submitted a ticket, then our Customer Support team should be able to assist you with assuaging that impact.
Brigby said: I believe at this point the adjustments have already been made, and the last piece of the puzzle is for the QA team to test them all and ensure the adjustments were successful before it's ready for implementation.
OmegaLolrus said: Brigby said: I believe at this point the adjustments have already been made, and the last piece of the puzzle is for the QA team to test them all and ensure the adjustments were successful before it's ready for implementation.Is that something we should expect before 3.3? With 3.3? After 3.3?
Brigby said: Update: It would appear that the Summon by stealing question jumped the gun a bit, as this was recently changed to no longer be the case. Opponent's creatures that the player gains permanent control over will no longer count as summoned by the player starting in the upcoming 3.3 update.
Ooooo, excitement. Should make those games a lot more interesting... and complicated.
What about a situation like The Eldest's Rebirth, where you're putting a copy of a card in your opponent's graveyard into play? It's part three of the Saga.
Or is that a bit too granular?
OmegaLolrus said: Brigby said: Update: It would appear that the Summon by stealing question jumped the gun a bit, as this was recently changed to no longer be the case. Opponent's creatures that the player gains permanent control over will no longer count as summoned by the player starting in the upcoming 3.3 update. Ooooo, excitement. Should make those games a lot more interesting... and complicated.What about a situation like The Eldest's Rebirth, where you're putting a copy of a card in your opponent's graveyard into play? It's part three of the Saga.Or is that a bit too granular?
Mburn7 said: OmegaLolrus said: Brigby said: Update: It would appear that the Summon by stealing question jumped the gun a bit, as this was recently changed to no longer be the case. Opponent's creatures that the player gains permanent control over will no longer count as summoned by the player starting in the upcoming 3.3 update. Ooooo, excitement. Should make those games a lot more interesting... and complicated.What about a situation like The Eldest's Rebirth, where you're putting a copy of a card in your opponent's graveyard into play? It's part three of the Saga.Or is that a bit too granular? That's making it too complicated. Returning a creature from the graveyard to the battlefield is a Summon, but not a Cast. It really shouldn't matter which graveyard it comes from.And it appears they've already fixed the thing where stealing creatures causes their ETB effects to trigger, so hopefully that's the groundwork for this fix where they won't count either.