boopers said: Just because past past exploit abuses were not punished doesn’t mean that future abuses should not be. There is a long precedence in the gaming industry to punish those who choose to exploit programming loopholes to gain unfair competitive advantage. If D3 is late to act on abusers, it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t.
GrizzoMtGPQ said: I think the line needs to be that if you mod or run software that is not strictly Oktagon code you're a cheater. Anything in the game is fine and is actually like a fun scavenger hunt. Finding little unintended easter eggs like the Tsunami Punch gives this game a little extra color.
Mburn7 said:The problem is, when you never enforce a rule (although I'm not sure there is a rule in game against this anyway), you cannot just arbitrarily start enforcing it without warning (see: American Revolution).Also, if there is a rule against exploiting bad coding, where is the line? Why is it ok to intentionally crash someone else's game (now coming back with Sphinx's Decree!) or use a confirmed bugged and overpowered card (Resilient Khenra), but not to tweak an event deck? All three are giving you easier wins and almost guaranteed losses for whoever faces your deck in the event. Why is one wrong but the other two ok?As @GrizzoMtGPQ said, if this was the road that Oktagon wanted to go down, they should have immediately posted some sort of notice that they were aware of the bug and would be punishing everyone who used it.To @bken1234's example before, it would be like putting a sign on the broken door saying "premises under surveillance" (like many shops have anyway)
Buizel said: I really feel like the post was making fun of punishing players for playing Gilded Lotus, one of the most popular supports in the game. It's not even a very obvious bug. You get some more mana. Why punish over that. You guys want to pick apart every single word over the legacy conundrum and not mention how dumb it is to punish for Gilded Lotus.
bken1234 said: Froggy said: Gotta say, I love the analogies being given here.Its become humorous.If the bug was prevalent and the devs were informed and knew of it, why didn’t they post a warning the same minute here in the forums?Instead they waited it out.So an analogy: Cop sees robber breaking into a house. He waits outside so he can catch the robber for any and all possible charges. Who knows what he is capable of or what his intentions are.Why not hit his sirens right away so robber runs and you catch him just on breaking and entering? Oh no! Now you caught much more than that. What’s the point?I’m not pro or against the exploit. I could care less. I don’t generally score well in PvP. I’m merely pointing out that both sides are at fault. That’s right - BOTH sides. Do punish the abusers. And punish the devs. I think it’s only fair to ask that be done. I don't think this is a fair analogy. The devs didn't raise a warning sign because they needed to find a fix for it. Had they said "don't use it" everyone would have tried to figure out how to do so. Had they done that, the appropriate analogy would be --Security guard is walking through the mall and notices the lock to the outside door of The Gap is broken. Security guard posts a big neon sign on the door where every potential shoplifter can see -- "This lock is broken".But what the devs and D3 did was more appropriate:Security guard is walking through the mall and notices the lock to the outside door of The Gap is broken. Security guard immediately notifies the manager of the store and his security company who quietly place a camera to monitor the door until a repair man can fix it.
Froggy said: Gotta say, I love the analogies being given here.Its become humorous.If the bug was prevalent and the devs were informed and knew of it, why didn’t they post a warning the same minute here in the forums?Instead they waited it out.So an analogy: Cop sees robber breaking into a house. He waits outside so he can catch the robber for any and all possible charges. Who knows what he is capable of or what his intentions are.Why not hit his sirens right away so robber runs and you catch him just on breaking and entering? Oh no! Now you caught much more than that. What’s the point?I’m not pro or against the exploit. I could care less. I don’t generally score well in PvP. I’m merely pointing out that both sides are at fault. That’s right - BOTH sides. Do punish the abusers. And punish the devs. I think it’s only fair to ask that be done.
Froggy said: All I’m saying is they could have easily gone about it better as both parties are at fault here. Those whole willfully abused the exploit and thebdevs for the flawed code.
Tremayne said: I would like to know so that I can comply with the EULA and not be labelled a “cheater”.
Mburn7 said: Also, if there is a rule against exploiting bad coding, where is the line? Why is it ok to intentionally crash someone else's game (now coming back with Sphinx's Decree!) or use a confirmed bugged and overpowered card (Resilient Khenra), but not to tweak an event deck? All three are giving you easier wins and almost guaranteed losses for whoever faces your deck in the event. Why is one wrong but the other two ok?
Thuran said: Is it a case if using a hole in the system to your advantage?yes, but so is playing zendikarsroil, even though youbknew it was bugged, in order to gain an absurd advantage that was never intended to exsist. Can anyone complaining now say with full honesty that they immediately stopped using that card to gain an advantage by abusing an unintended hole in the game?Yet, I would say that using broken cards, intentionally, is just as bad an exploit, and just as morally reprehensible.However, this is a competitive game, and if you did not use those advantages, you were also handicapping yourself in the competition, creating a situation like an arms race, where players felt they had to play ZR in order to not be at a disadvantage, creating a situation that forces people to join the exploit.
Thuran said: Should everyone who uses a broken card be punished, since its just as bad an exploit as fixing lvls?Let me ask: did you use zendikars roil?
EvilDead said: What a confusing original post. So due to my personal paranoia, is there or isn't there a bug with Gilded Lotus? I don't want to use it in a deck and unknowingly create an issue.Is this thread just a [redacted] regarding the sticky post?
Mburn7 said: EvilDead said: What a confusing original post. So due to my personal paranoia, is there or isn't there a bug with Gilded Lotus? I don't want to use it in a deck and unknowingly create an issue.Is this thread just a [redacted] regarding the sticky post? There is an actual bug with Guilded Lotus.That being said, this post is mostly a sarcastic complaint against the sticky post about punishing players who used the Legacy-Cards-In-Standard-Events bug (maybe take some liberty and call it the LICE bug? Its a mouthful)
EvilDead said: Mburn7 said: EvilDead said: What a confusing original post. So due to my personal paranoia, is there or isn't there a bug with Gilded Lotus? I don't want to use it in a deck and unknowingly create an issue.Is this thread just a [redacted] regarding the sticky post? There is an actual bug with Guilded Lotus.That being said, this post is mostly a sarcastic complaint against the sticky post about punishing players who used the Legacy-Cards-In-Standard-Events bug (maybe take some liberty and call it the LICE bug? Its a mouthful) Do you have to use Gilded Lotus with a card I probably don't have anyway? Should we just leave it out? I'm skerd!