Brigby said: @wereotter Your comments actually spurred an interesting thought in my head. If multicolored Planeswalkers are deemed inherently superior to monocolored Planeswalkers, primarily due to the increase in available card choices, would it make sense then for monocolored Planeswalkers to have stronger Planeswalker abilities / stats than multicolored ones?Let's say that a Black-Blue Tezzeret has an ability that creates 3 Artifact tokens. Would it be appropriate then to have an only-Blue Tezzeret's ability be able to create 4 Artifact tokens? (Obviously an oversimplification, but I'm just using this as an example)
wereotter said: Brigby said: @wereotter Your comments actually spurred an interesting thought in my head. If multicolored Planeswalkers are deemed inherently superior to monocolored Planeswalkers, primarily due to the increase in available card choices, would it make sense then for monocolored Planeswalkers to have stronger Planeswalker abilities / stats than multicolored ones?Let's say that a Black-Blue Tezzeret has an ability that creates 3 Artifact tokens. Would it be appropriate then to have an only-Blue Tezzeret's ability be able to create 4 Artifact tokens? (Obviously an oversimplification, but I'm just using this as an example) [snip]Or perhaps, just as an idea that occurred to me while typing, mono-colored planeswalkers can earn bonuses to loyalty gem matches as part of their native bonuses while multicolor ones do not.
Rhasget said: Since posting the discussion I have almost solely played mono PWs this week and just trying out all of the ones I have (Ob, Liliana 1,2,3, Gideon 1,3, Elspeth, Chandra1, Nissa1, Jaya, Jace 1,2 and Koth).In PvE it doesn't really matter what PW you have if you know what the matchup is. All decks have atleast one option as response to Gregs decks. I have played RotGP with only monos and pauper decks and can win all matches with all objectives comfortably.In PvP it's alot harder since you don't know what you will face and not all colors can be versatile enough to compete here. And my tests actually became more of a test of colors in standard more than PWs.White is in my opinion the best deck with the many options in tribe synergy, lockdown, removal, support destruction for low mana. This made it possible to win 9/10 Legacy TG matches with Gideon1 with very simple decks.Elspeth is as said one of the best PWs and went 10/10.Whereas Blue is awesome due to a few specific cards (StV and Rebuke mainly). Add in the broken bounce that destroys instead and I could go 8/10 with Jace1 (arguably one of the worst PWs) in Legacy TG with a standard deck. Jace2 landed in 6/10.My Red PWs struggled more with both Jaya and Koth. With red lacking any real killer cards but many lesser damage spells Jaya can compete when she gets going but against many aggro Legacy decks she fell to far behind too fast. And when I switched to playing her with a more creaturebased approach it was also a bit hit and miss.As with Koth that can run Greg down in a few turns with crazy ramp and big creatures. But also fizzle and get denied by bad mana. Jaya 6/10 and Koth 7/10.Black is a mixed bag. Ob is unique and a perfect anti-Bolas PW. He can be versatile and works against most threats.Although Blacks lack of support removal and ability to deal with Hexproof creatures is devastating.With creatureless Ob you have one direct kill available (Eldest reborn), or use Deathtouch blockers/berserkers if going with creatures.The Lilianas are ok but with little zombie synergy available the have lost some of their best(and most fun strategies). Having Meteor Golem in the decks made them a lot more useful, especially Liliana Deats Majesty (L2?) when you can re-enter it with first ability to remove supports and/or creatures.L1 went 6/10, L2 8/10, L3 4/10 and Ob 10/10.Green with Nissa1 is hard outside standard. Low gains is the biggest issue with her and then creature removal. Needing creatures to block or using as triggers for removal is a hurdle unless you try to aggro and win faster.Against legacy decks I struggled with both approaches as I didn't get my creatures on the board for long enough to do either.4/10 wins against Legacy in TG.I did 10 games with each modidying decks between fights to try different approaches and some losses are mainly due to the OP:ness of some legacy decks you face. When you get the HUF/Deploy/Emrakul/Pig combo against you in turn 2 you will get a hard time no matter what PW or deck.But it was a fun experiment and made me go outside my usual thinking. I don't think that mono PWs are a competetive option for me in most cases so they will be used as now, for fun and variation.Some of the M19 monos look interesting though so I might change my mind later on.
Rhasget said: @Skiglass6 L2 in this case is Deaths Majesty (that destroys creatures and returns as zombies as 1st ability)and L3 is The Last Hope (that destroys a card and gain mana as 1st ability).
TomB said: I actually do pretty good with my Legacy L2 recurring zombies deck. Using cards like Prized Amalgam, along with Graf Harvest and her ultimate, ensures a steady supply of zombies to pump up Diregraf Colossus, There's also untargetted exile with Doomfall (to get around the whole Hexproof thing), and cheap removal like Grip of Desolation to deal with fliers.Behold the Beyond doesn't hurt either...