Lesson #13: Make the fun part also the correct strategy to win It's not the players' job to find the fun. It is your job as the game designer to put the fun where the players can't help but find it. When the players sit down to play a game, there's an implied promise from the game designer that if they do what the game tells them to do, it will be fun. So most players will do whatever the game tells them to do to achieve the desired goal (usually win), even if that thing isn't fun. When the game is done, if the players didn't enjoy themselves, they will blame the game—and rightfully so! It's your job as a game designer to make sure that what it takes to succeed at your game is the very thing that makes the game fun. Fun cannot be tangential; it has to be the core component of your game experience. I can't stress this enough. You can't hide the fun and expect your players to hunt for it. That's not their job. It's your job as a game designer to lead the players to the fun. source
zaann85 wrote: Remove rewards from all events or just that one? Whats the point of a coalition if you arent reaping rewards. Coalition rewards are what have built up the community you have brought together.
majincob wrote: zaann85 wrote: Remove rewards from all events or just that one? Whats the point of a coalition if you arent reaping rewards. Coalition rewards are what have built up the community you have brought together. Remove coalition rewards from just the repeat Saheeli Rai events. That removes the incentive for people who already have Saheeli from taking the top spots again.
Pqmtg- wrote: This is just stupid. If you don't want to burn out, don't play. Wow you won't get a mythic this time if you sit out? You already get 2 a week as a coalition. How about giving other coalitions a chance while we're all talking about being generous so everyone gets saheeli. Maybe you can utilise your wide network of top players and get them to sit out every other week. Your rant is basically a first world problem one, MtGPQ edition.
...most players will do whatever the game tells them to do to achieve the desired goal (usually win), even if that thing isn't fun. When the game is done, if the players didn't enjoy themselves, they will blame the game—and rightfully so!
majincob wrote: Pqmtg- wrote: This is just stupid. If you don't want to burn out, don't play. Wow you won't get a mythic this time if you sit out? You already get 2 a week as a coalition. How about giving other coalitions a chance while we're all talking about being generous so everyone gets saheeli. Maybe you can utilise your wide network of top players and get them to sit out every other week. Your rant is basically a first world problem one, MtGPQ edition. How about not calling my argument stupid without a counterargument that I haven't already addressed in the original post? Especially since no-one knows who you are. I've not seen any Pqmtg's on the leaderboards, whereas you know who I am. Anyone in the Alliance can get my real name, and my ID on the forums is my in-game ID. Perhaps you did not carefully read my post. Here is the cliff notes quote: ...most players will do whatever the game tells them to do to achieve the desired goal (usually win), even if that thing isn't fun. When the game is done, if the players didn't enjoy themselves, they will blame the game—and rightfully so! I am actually trying to give a reasoned, thought out critique about how I and the other people in my group feel about this arrangement. I have also proposed a relatively simple to implement solution: remove coalition rewards from Saheeli Rai. The marketing people know that they don't want players getting used to "sitting out" on game play because they lose engagement and ultimately leave the game taking their wallets with them. That's why they have events nearly every day and daily log in rewards with monthly fat packs and free packs 3 times a day. They need to keep people engaged but not have it become onerous. Once the wallets are gone, the game shuts down, and I don't want to see that happen.
Pqmtg- wrote: You're the guy who set the rules that everyone has to play every event, then complain that the timing of the events will make your rules hard to follow. There's no need to handle players with kid gloves and graciously take a dive for events so others can get saheeli. We're not 5 anymore and people can live with not getting a medal for participation. Like I said... You might as well harness your huge network and ensure everyone rotates in getting a mythic if that were the goal. Let me assure you that it's not fun to work as hard as your members and not get a mythic for free either. Well... It's probably going to be more fun once coalition chats come on... But I have a suspicion everyone getting a mythic would be more fun for some reason. I thought my counterarguement was obvious. Play if you want to, sit out if you don't. Don't demand the game changes to fit your own arbitrary rules. I'm going full throttle for saheeli events. That's not being mean. I just like to play events. I mean come on. You can just tell your coalition to stand down this event if you wanted to. That would be the same as this event not getting any coalition points. You make the coalition rules. The only reason you wouldn't do that would be because you don't want other coalitions to get a mythic during your voluntary hiatus. Then why are we even discussing ways to allow more people to get saheeli if that's your mindset?
majincob wrote: Pqmtg- wrote: You're the guy who set the rules that everyone has to play every event, then complain that the timing of the events will make your rules hard to follow. There's no need to handle players with kid gloves and graciously take a dive for events so others can get saheeli. We're not 5 anymore and people can live with not getting a medal for participation. Like I said... You might as well harness your huge network and ensure everyone rotates in getting a mythic if that were the goal. Let me assure you that it's not fun to work as hard as your members and not get a mythic for free either. Well... It's probably going to be more fun once coalition chats come on... But I have a suspicion everyone getting a mythic would be more fun for some reason. I thought my counterarguement was obvious. Play if you want to, sit out if you don't. Don't demand the game changes to fit your own arbitrary rules. I'm going full throttle for saheeli events. That's not being mean. I just like to play events. I mean come on. You can just tell your coalition to stand down this event if you wanted to. That would be the same as this event not getting any coalition points. You make the coalition rules. The only reason you wouldn't do that would be because you don't want other coalitions to get a mythic during your voluntary hiatus. Then why are we even discussing ways to allow more people to get saheeli if that's your mindset? I think you have me confused with a dictator. I welcome you to read our Alliance Charter and Bill of Rights. I don't make anyone do anything. I don't have any real control over the coalitions as they are the purview of their own leaders. As for GoblinPile we discuss things and come to consensus if we need to all agree on something. As a coalition we (GoblinPile) unarguably want to get all the mythics that we can and we will pursue that goal. I would just prefer that we could do so without hurting other players chances to get a great planeswalker. Also chatting with your coalition is great fun. We (as an alliance) happen to use slack which seems to work well for us. If anyone would like to join the slack group message me your e-mail and I'll send you an invite. It's usually pretty active with over 230 people signed up already.