Marvel Puzzle Quest: Character Rebalances - Batch #2 (Nov 13, 2025)

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  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,957 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:
    I only just joined SHIELD SIM and has there been a nerf to Polaris and Jane? You wouldn't know it from the teams I am seeing!

    Many may not know yet about the nerf to Jane (surely they've noticed the Polaris one by now).

    Two things explain this.
    1) Check their roster to see if they have other valid options. Lots of rosters I look at have a handful of characters WAY above everyone else. In other words Jane/Polaris may be their only valid options for Shield Sim
    2) People in general HATE change. Sure if you ask anyone they'll claim they are fine with change but in reality they aren't. People like routine and after using those 2 for years, it's a routine (habit) that they are comfortable with. This is why I don't think usage numbers are going to go down much.

    KGB

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 12,026 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Polares said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Polares said:
    I have to ask… why dont you just close the game and that is it? We have lost 5+ long players in our Alliance and after this more will follow. Heck, not sure I will continue playing after these nerfs.

    You cant release these stupidly overpowered nodes with 700+ chars and then nerf all the tools we have to beat those nodes. I guess you only want players with 550 chars to be able to do SCL10, but these is not how we the players see it.

    After Polaris nerf I looked at what I could use and I went all in on MTHor and Nova and now you nerf MThor.

    I will give you some advice Devs, STOP with the nerfs, with 6* being the new thing, just stop and let players HAVE FUN with these chars while we progress to 6 land. Be more careful with 6 chars and that will be enough. You are killing the game. Seriously, with all the awful bugs and now the nerfs YOU ARE KILLING THE GAME.

    PS: I have been playing this game since launch, I have seen all the nerfs, from 2 Wolvie to 3 Sentry to Gambit, but this is different, the game is right now at its lowest, and these nerfs are just making even more people quit. Give people reasons to play, not reason to quit!

    I will give you some advice matey. You don't speak for everybody so please do not tell anybody to shut down a game many of us are still enjoying. You can complain about whatever you like, you can quit and you can stop spending money. You can also share that with all of us here. But don't ask to have the game shut down because YOU are unhappy. Thank you.

    Hey, I am giving my opinion, and I will continue to do so and I will continue to ask whatever I like, you can obviously say you dont agree with me or that you think I am wrong, but you can not tell me what I can and can not ask.

    Said that, have you really fully read my comment? Because it is pretty obvious I am not really asking the Devs to close the game, just to be far more careful on the things they are doing if they dont want the game to die. The move to Unity has been a ****-show and nerfing chars now, when so many people are quitting it is a really bad move.

    Your opening line is pretty self explanatory. Maybe you could have phrased that better? You set the tone with that. You don't want the game shut down but ask why the game shouldn't be shut down. An opinion can get lost amidst a flamey sort of thing like that. I'm sure it was typed with a cool and rational head.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 12,026 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:

    @DAZ0273 said:
    I only just joined SHIELD SIM and has there been a nerf to Polaris and Jane? You wouldn't know it from the teams I am seeing!

    Many may not know yet about the nerf to Jane (surely they've noticed the Polaris one by now).

    Two things explain this.
    1) Check their roster to see if they have other valid options. Lots of rosters I look at have a handful of characters WAY above everyone else. In other words Jane/Polaris may be their only valid options for Shield Sim
    2) People in general HATE change. Sure if you ask anyone they'll claim they are fine with change but in reality they aren't. People like routine and after using those 2 for years, it's a routine (habit) that they are comfortable with. This is why I don't think usage numbers are going to go down much.

    KGB

    OK I just did that. 4 out of 5 of my available fights have one or all of Polaris/Jane. I checked each players roster and all have other characters around the same levels with none having a much higher Jane or Polaris. I don't know what this means, Maybe nothing but they have scores high enough to be worth fighting. So I will do so!

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,957 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 15 November 2025, 20:16

    @entrailbucket said:

    @KGB said:

    @DAZ0273 said:
    I only just joined SHIELD SIM and has there been a nerf to Polaris and Jane? You wouldn't know it from the teams I am seeing!

    Many may not know yet about the nerf to Jane (surely they've noticed the Polaris one by now).

    Two things explain this.
    1) Check their roster to see if they have other valid options. Lots of rosters I look at have a handful of characters WAY above everyone else. In other words Jane/Polaris may be their only valid options for Shield Sim
    2) People in general HATE change. Sure if you ask anyone they'll claim they are fine with change but in reality they aren't. People like routine and after using those 2 for years, it's a routine (habit) that they are comfortable with. This is why I don't think usage numbers are going to go down much.

    KGB

    2) is not universally true, especially when it comes to games. LOTS of folks get bored of doing exactly the same thing over and over again for years. Very few games aim to provide the same experience, day in and day out, every day for a decade, and that is not a typical route to success.

    What kind of games are we talking about? Computer games or games in general?

    Chess hasn't changed in millennia and people still love playing it. I enjoy shooting pool, throwing darts, playing cards (poker, euchre etc). None of those games has ever changed in my lifetime and yet countless people repeatedly play them ad infinitum often quite competitively.

    I once belonged to a board game group that said they wanted to play lots of different board games. The group started out enthusiastically trying different games each time we met (once a week) but the novelty wore off very fast as fewer and fewer wanted to learn the rules and work out strategies of each new game. Eventually the group settled on just a handful of games that rotated.

    I suspect the people who get bored of doing the same thing (dislike routine) are in fact NOT game players in general (especially board games, card games, pub games like pool/darts etc) but rather people looking for new experiences and trying something (a new game) and then quickly moving on to the next thing for the next experience.

    MPQ is a very unique situation, where almost everyone who wants something novel has been driven off over the years by consecutive dev groups that never do anything new. I knew players who got bored of fighting Daken and Bullseye in PvE in 2014! They've been recycling the same PvE events for a decade -- who could be enjoying that?

    Well...the community they've cultivated (by driving away anyone who wants new stuff) enjoy exactly that. Hardcore, long term MPQ players (somehow, unbelievably) want to play the same fights, against the same enemies, using the same characters, at the same time every day, every single day, for the rest of their lives.

    I'm one of those who enjoys these very things you are talking about.

    For me, the game is a nice diversion that helps me relax and unwind. I LOVE matching gems (which is why I liked bejeweled back in the day that led to the development of the original PQ) and spotting the best move that triggers combos etc. I really don't care what the opponents are in the nodes at all (as long as they die without me using a health pack). I DO enjoy reading the story lines though (I still read them at least once in each PvE), so new story lines are always fun to read and I'd enjoy it if they just used old comic stories to vary the wording in PvE so we could read old comics.

    For me, I'd have been gone forever ago if I didn't start playing my way. I rarely use the same teams. I try to find new combos and I love testing the new characters, even if none of them are as good as m'Thor or Polaris or Nova or whatever. If an event isn't fun, I skip it. If I get bored, I do something different.

    I suspect players like you, WhiteBomber etc are the tiny minority. Likely driven away for the reasons you stated along with the fact it is a 12 year old game and how much could it really change. I am grateful for the teams you guys try and post as I do try some of them on occasion when they are boosted.

    KGB

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,747 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 15 November 2025, 21:13

    @KGB chess is the furthest thing from the stagnant experience that many seem to want from MPQ.

    When you play chess, do you and your opponent make exactly the same moves in exactly the same sequence every time? That's what sort of player these guys have cultivated -- players who enjoy that. That's what using m'Thor and Polaris to kill Bullseye and Daken is, every day, at the same time, for years.

    And like... there's nothing wrong with that! If you and your friend enjoy sitting down at noon every single day and playing exactly the same game of chess every time, you are allowed to enjoy that! I just don't think it's a particularly common pastime, and a community that's near-exclusively made up of that sort of person is going to have some extreme reactions to ANY change.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,957 Chairperson of the Boards

    Unless you are playing Chess at a really low level, there are only a handful of opening lines that get repeated endlessly. That's why there are so many draws.

    Unless you are doing a turn 0/1 winfinite, you aren't making the same moves in MPQ. You make the moves the board setup has. Especially with Polaris/MThor you definitely aren't making the same moves since the destruction is random. It would be the equivalent of randomly dropping chess pieces on the board at the start of the game and then playing.

    KGB

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,747 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:
    Unless you are playing Chess at a really low level, there are only a handful of opening lines that get repeated endlessly. That's why there are so many draws.

    Unless you are doing a turn 0/1 winfinite, you aren't making the same moves in MPQ. You make the moves the board setup has. Especially with Polaris/MThor you definitely aren't making the same moves since the destruction is random. It would be the equivalent of randomly dropping chess pieces on the board at the start of the game and then playing.

    KGB

    There is nothing wrong with you wanting to do exactly the same thing every day, forever. Lots of people eat exactly the same meals every day, or take the same walk at the same time every day.

    But not everyone works that way -- some people get bored.

  • Polares
    Polares Posts: 2,650 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 15 November 2025, 22:14

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Polares said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Polares said:
    I have to ask… why dont you just close the game and that is it? We have lost 5+ long players in our Alliance and after this more will follow. Heck, not sure I will continue playing after these nerfs.

    You cant release these stupidly overpowered nodes with 700+ chars and then nerf all the tools we have to beat those nodes. I guess you only want players with 550 chars to be able to do SCL10, but these is not how we the players see it.

    After Polaris nerf I looked at what I could use and I went all in on MTHor and Nova and now you nerf MThor.

    I will give you some advice Devs, STOP with the nerfs, with 6* being the new thing, just stop and let players HAVE FUN with these chars while we progress to 6 land. Be more careful with 6 chars and that will be enough. You are killing the game. Seriously, with all the awful bugs and now the nerfs YOU ARE KILLING THE GAME.

    PS: I have been playing this game since launch, I have seen all the nerfs, from 2 Wolvie to 3 Sentry to Gambit, but this is different, the game is right now at its lowest, and these nerfs are just making even more people quit. Give people reasons to play, not reason to quit!

    I will give you some advice matey. You don't speak for everybody so please do not tell anybody to shut down a game many of us are still enjoying. You can complain about whatever you like, you can quit and you can stop spending money. You can also share that with all of us here. But don't ask to have the game shut down because YOU are unhappy. Thank you.

    Hey, I am giving my opinion, and I will continue to do so and I will continue to ask whatever I like, you can obviously say you dont agree with me or that you think I am wrong, but you can not tell me what I can and can not ask.

    Said that, have you really fully read my comment? Because it is pretty obvious I am not really asking the Devs to close the game, just to be far more careful on the things they are doing if they dont want the game to die. The move to Unity has been a ****-show and nerfing chars now, when so many people are quitting it is a really bad move.

    Your opening line is pretty self explanatory. Maybe you could have phrased that better? You set the tone with that. You don't want the game shut down but ask why the game shouldn't be shut down. An opinion can get lost amidst a flamey sort of thing like that. I'm sure it was typed with a cool and rational head.

    The point of that question was precisely calling Devs attention! I wanted shock and surprise. Because sincerely, with all they have been doing lately I have really wondered if maybe they are tired of the game and they are actively trying to make us quit.

    After all the issues we had and we still have with the migration, nerfing two chars soooo fast after each other and having another one ready to be nerfed…. It really blows my mind and gives me the impression that even though they might have the best intentions, they dont know what they are doing and how low the morale is.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,747 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Polares said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Polares said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Polares said:
    I have to ask… why dont you just close the game and that is it? We have lost 5+ long players in our Alliance and after this more will follow. Heck, not sure I will continue playing after these nerfs.

    You cant release these stupidly overpowered nodes with 700+ chars and then nerf all the tools we have to beat those nodes. I guess you only want players with 550 chars to be able to do SCL10, but these is not how we the players see it.

    After Polaris nerf I looked at what I could use and I went all in on MTHor and Nova and now you nerf MThor.

    I will give you some advice Devs, STOP with the nerfs, with 6* being the new thing, just stop and let players HAVE FUN with these chars while we progress to 6 land. Be more careful with 6 chars and that will be enough. You are killing the game. Seriously, with all the awful bugs and now the nerfs YOU ARE KILLING THE GAME.

    PS: I have been playing this game since launch, I have seen all the nerfs, from 2 Wolvie to 3 Sentry to Gambit, but this is different, the game is right now at its lowest, and these nerfs are just making even more people quit. Give people reasons to play, not reason to quit!

    I will give you some advice matey. You don't speak for everybody so please do not tell anybody to shut down a game many of us are still enjoying. You can complain about whatever you like, you can quit and you can stop spending money. You can also share that with all of us here. But don't ask to have the game shut down because YOU are unhappy. Thank you.

    Hey, I am giving my opinion, and I will continue to do so and I will continue to ask whatever I like, you can obviously say you dont agree with me or that you think I am wrong, but you can not tell me what I can and can not ask.

    Said that, have you really fully read my comment? Because it is pretty obvious I am not really asking the Devs to close the game, just to be far more careful on the things they are doing if they dont want the game to die. The move to Unity has been a ****-show and nerfing chars now, when so many people are quitting it is a really bad move.

    Your opening line is pretty self explanatory. Maybe you could have phrased that better? You set the tone with that. You don't want the game shut down but ask why the game shouldn't be shut down. An opinion can get lost amidst a flamey sort of thing like that. I'm sure it was typed with a cool and rational head.

    The point of that question was precisely calling Devs attention! I wanted shock and surprise. Because sincerely, with all they have been doing lately I have really wondered if maybe they are tired of the game and they are actively trying to make us quit.

    After all the issues we had and we still have with the migration, nerfing two chars soooo fast after each other and having another one ready to be nerfed…. It really blows my mind and gives me the impression that even though they might have the best intentions, they dont know what they are doing and how low the morale is.

    If they wanted to shut down the game they could just turn it off.

    These nerfs wouldn't have gone over any better at any other time. This is what the forum/community always looks like after every major nerf (and really, every major change ever).

    I wish we (like, as a society or something) could realize that "I don't like this thing" is not the same as "this thing is objectively awful" (or the increasingly-popular "this is literally the end of the world and the people responsible are literally war criminals").

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,747 Chairperson of the Boards

    When I was a teenager I worked at a fast food restaurant (that shall remain nameless). We had a customer who came in at the same time, every single day, wearing the same clothes (and he wasn't homeless or something, he obviously owned multiples of the same items), ordered exactly the same meal, and paid with exact change. He sat at the same table, and if someone was there he'd ask them to leave or just wait until they left.

    I don't think he was dangerous or anything, but he was deeply weird, and I always wanted to see what'd happen if his food got taken off the menu or the recipe changed or something.

    Turns out, all I had to do was come to the MPQ forums after any change!

  • Polares
    Polares Posts: 2,650 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 15 November 2025, 23:41

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Polares said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Polares said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Polares said:
    I have to ask… why dont you just close the game and that is it? We have lost 5+ long players in our Alliance and after this more will follow. Heck, not sure I will continue playing after these nerfs.

    You cant release these stupidly overpowered nodes with 700+ chars and then nerf all the tools we have to beat those nodes. I guess you only want players with 550 chars to be able to do SCL10, but these is not how we the players see it.

    After Polaris nerf I looked at what I could use and I went all in on MTHor and Nova and now you nerf MThor.

    I will give you some advice Devs, STOP with the nerfs, with 6* being the new thing, just stop and let players HAVE FUN with these chars while we progress to 6 land. Be more careful with 6 chars and that will be enough. You are killing the game. Seriously, with all the awful bugs and now the nerfs YOU ARE KILLING THE GAME.

    PS: I have been playing this game since launch, I have seen all the nerfs, from 2 Wolvie to 3 Sentry to Gambit, but this is different, the game is right now at its lowest, and these nerfs are just making even more people quit. Give people reasons to play, not reason to quit!

    I will give you some advice matey. You don't speak for everybody so please do not tell anybody to shut down a game many of us are still enjoying. You can complain about whatever you like, you can quit and you can stop spending money. You can also share that with all of us here. But don't ask to have the game shut down because YOU are unhappy. Thank you.

    Hey, I am giving my opinion, and I will continue to do so and I will continue to ask whatever I like, you can obviously say you dont agree with me or that you think I am wrong, but you can not tell me what I can and can not ask.

    Said that, have you really fully read my comment? Because it is pretty obvious I am not really asking the Devs to close the game, just to be far more careful on the things they are doing if they dont want the game to die. The move to Unity has been a ****-show and nerfing chars now, when so many people are quitting it is a really bad move.

    Your opening line is pretty self explanatory. Maybe you could have phrased that better? You set the tone with that. You don't want the game shut down but ask why the game shouldn't be shut down. An opinion can get lost amidst a flamey sort of thing like that. I'm sure it was typed with a cool and rational head.

    The point of that question was precisely calling Devs attention! I wanted shock and surprise. Because sincerely, with all they have been doing lately I have really wondered if maybe they are tired of the game and they are actively trying to make us quit.

    After all the issues we had and we still have with the migration, nerfing two chars soooo fast after each other and having another one ready to be nerfed…. It really blows my mind and gives me the impression that even though they might have the best intentions, they dont know what they are doing and how low the morale is.

    If they wanted to shut down the game they could just turn it off.

    These nerfs wouldn't have gone over any better at any other time. This is what the forum/community always looks like after every major nerf (and really, every major change ever).

    I wish we (like, as a society or something) could realize that "I don't like this thing" is not the same as "this thing is objectively awful" (or the increasingly-popular "this is literally the end of the world and the people responsible are literally war criminals").

    Nerfs are always unpopular, that is why in the past have always been VERY careful about doing them. Doing three or four in a row is not careful (the outcry has been so big that they have had to post-pone the nerf to Shang Chi). And the worst for me personally is that they are extremely late and at a point where they might not be even needed anymore than 6 are coming…

    And I disagree this is like any other time they have done nerfs, in 10 years of the game, I dont think the health of the game has been in a worse state. A lot of players left (well, this I do not know, I do know 5 people left in my Alliance that had been playing with us for ages and more are considering it) because of the poor state of the game after the migration (bugs, etc) and the multiple nerfs now that we are starting to get to the other side of this horrible migration, I dont think they help.

    Now, the game WAS in an awful state, that was not an opinion, it was crashing a lot, some menus didnt have any way to go back and you had to close the App, freezes in the middle of matches, nodes were missing in events, the game is now extremely power hungry, etc, etc. This is not an opinion, this happened. I have more crashes the first week after the migration than in ten years playing the game. Now things are in a better state, but it has been 3-4 pretty bad months and they still have work to do.

  • toecutter3095
    toecutter3095 Posts: 116 Tile Toppler

    As others have said, the time taken to pivot to alternatives is significant. They should be running CP stores, vaults, whatever to facilitate players targeting alternatives or broadening there roster if that would help them. I honestly don't know why there is not a never-ending stream of CP stores with select characters to encourage players to constantly want to spend their resources, which mitigates the hoard-focus. Sure there are Classics and Latests always there, and although I spend in Classics every week because I do want a broad roster, it is a scattergun effect due to dilution.

    Yes, there are release stores every month when a 5-star is released, but it only runs for 1 week and given that it is for the new 5-star, it therefore only has 2 classic 5s which is a drop in the ocean. Chances are one of them is Dr Strange as well, so the opportunity for building alternate classic 5s drops to just 1 character per month.

    We just had that tired old family legends store running for a month. Why not have stores like that on constant rotation? Tie them in to the season topic, group them by affiliations, whatever, just run them. Give players avenues to focus on different characters outside of the fan favourites (which let's be honest needs a refresh).

  • Painmonger
    Painmonger Posts: 231 Tile Toppler

    I am not calling out anyone in particular, but I've seen it mentioned several times on these threads lately. I dispute the assertion they are taking away all the tools to contend with the new SCL 10 & 700+ level enemies. They very pointedly said there are nearly 300 options and the nerfs are intended for you to actually use them.

    I think the Polaris & MThor nerfs were pretty measured and only made them slightly less overpowered than they clearly were. I'm a little on the fence about SC role in all this, but if they nerf him to the same degree as the other two I'm not too worried.

    I do think the timing is a little annoying as SC was just in an anniversary vault & Tower reward. It's also a little funny to me that Ultron is on the buff list but not until after he's required in Strange Sights right now.

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 868 Critical Contributor

    @Polares said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Polares said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Polares said:
    I have to ask… why dont you just close the game and that is it? We have lost 5+ long players in our Alliance and after this more will follow. Heck, not sure I will continue playing after these nerfs.

    You cant release these stupidly overpowered nodes with 700+ chars and then nerf all the tools we have to beat those nodes. I guess you only want players with 550 chars to be able to do SCL10, but these is not how we the players see it.

    After Polaris nerf I looked at what I could use and I went all in on MTHor and Nova and now you nerf MThor.

    I will give you some advice Devs, STOP with the nerfs, with 6* being the new thing, just stop and let players HAVE FUN with these chars while we progress to 6 land. Be more careful with 6 chars and that will be enough. You are killing the game. Seriously, with all the awful bugs and now the nerfs YOU ARE KILLING THE GAME.

    PS: I have been playing this game since launch, I have seen all the nerfs, from 2 Wolvie to 3 Sentry to Gambit, but this is different, the game is right now at its lowest, and these nerfs are just making even more people quit. Give people reasons to play, not reason to quit!

    I will give you some advice matey. You don't speak for everybody so please do not tell anybody to shut down a game many of us are still enjoying. You can complain about whatever you like, you can quit and you can stop spending money. You can also share that with all of us here. But don't ask to have the game shut down because YOU are unhappy. Thank you.

    Hey, I am giving my opinion, and I will continue to do so and I will continue to ask whatever I like, you can obviously say you dont agree with me or that you think I am wrong, but you can not tell me what I can and can not ask.

    Said that, have you really fully read my comment? Because it is pretty obvious I am not really asking the Devs to close the game, just to be far more careful on the things they are doing if they dont want the game to die. The move to Unity has been a ****-show and nerfing chars now, when so many people are quitting it is a really bad move.

    Your opening line is pretty self explanatory. Maybe you could have phrased that better? You set the tone with that. You don't want the game shut down but ask why the game shouldn't be shut down. An opinion can get lost amidst a flamey sort of thing like that. I'm sure it was typed with a cool and rational head.

    The point of that question was precisely calling Devs attention! I wanted shock and surprise. Because sincerely, with all they have been doing lately I have really wondered if maybe they are tired of the game and they are actively trying to make us quit.

    After all the issues we had and we still have with the migration, nerfing two chars soooo fast after each other and having another one ready to be nerfed…. It really blows my mind and gives me the impression that even though they might have the best intentions, they dont know what they are doing and how low the morale is.

    So… you ask devs to shut down the game, get upset and say you didn’t ask for it to be shut down, then claim you did but only for shock factor…

    Further, you absolutely made statements as “we the players” as if speaking for everyone then, when you were asked to not act as though you speak for everyone, you claim you’re just stating your opinion…

    To be clear, you’re obviously able to share your opinion on things and no one should tell you not to.

    But you really shouldn’t state your opinion as though it is the opinion of the broader group though. You especially shouldn’t do so then claim you didn’t when someone asks you to not speak for them.

    Again, you weren’t asked to not state your opinion. You were asked to not claim that your opinion represented “we the players” by players that disagree with you. And you should acknowledge and respect that.

    Lastly, you really can’t be upset at anyone for asking you to not request the game be shut down (especially when you’re presenting yourself as representing “we the players”).
    They can do whatever they want with their game, including creating a more difficult level of play not everyone can compete in. And you can choose to play at a level your roster allows, or quit, or anything in between.

    You can also tell the devs you don’t like certain changes, but you can’t say “why don’t you just close the game” in the name of “we the players” then act surprised when players say they disagree.

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 868 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket said:
    When I was a teenager I worked at a fast food restaurant (that shall remain nameless). We had a customer who came in at the same time, every single day, wearing the same clothes (and he wasn't homeless or something, he obviously owned multiples of the same items), ordered exactly the same meal, and paid with exact change. He sat at the same table, and if someone was there he'd ask them to leave or just wait until they left.

    I don't think he was dangerous or anything, but he was deeply weird, and I always wanted to see what'd happen if his food got taken off the menu or the recipe changed or something.

    Turns out, all I had to do was come to the MPQ forums after any change!

    If his order was no longer available, he likely would have quit coming to that restaurant altogether.

    I say that as someone who has ordered the same thing at Waffle House for over 20 years and do the same at other restaurants. I hang my clothes in full sets when doing laundry (I even have several items—pants, shirts, sweaters— that are exactly the same though my wife has managed to get me to wear these items in different colors). If I didn’t have my wife I’d have a much more rigid schedule that I would dislike deviating from.

    I won’t bore you with more details on my deeply weird behavior, but it comes from a need for control and sticking with what works. There’s comfort in removing unnecessary options.

    Yes, there are also diagnosis involved, but that’s a different discussion. To me, it’s weird that more people don’t do these things. There’s only one restaurant in the world where I don’t eat the same thing when I go there.

    The changes to the game are a different thing though. I think I see where you’d relate the gentleman you’re referencing here to the rage being shown in the forums, but I think you’d be surprised at how well he would have handled the change.

    I can’t know for certain, of course, but my assumption would be that he would have been disappointed, stared off for a bit while debating what the change means for him, then he would have just left and you wouldn’t have seen him again. I think this because I’ve done it.

    (Note: if he felt harassed while sorting through the information that his order wasn’t available anymore, before he was able to make a new plan, the odds of being met with anger would have increased.)

    Meanwhile, the average forumite would have screamed at you for not running your restaurant the way they wanted you to run it then demanded a coupon book as compensation.

    People are frustrated. The venting will continue. Some of it illogical. Hopefully things get back on track by the end of the year, or at least shows signs of heading in that direction.

  • MgoBlue51
    MgoBlue51 Posts: 129 Tile Toppler

    At the crux of it all, I imagine if the game was running smoothly, with only a few bugs here and there, we'd be less irate at the nerfs. If there were NEW things to do/see/play, I imagine people may even be happy (unless they're one of those people who are never happy, of course). I think the real issue is that the game is probably in its worst state in terms of bugs and playability. I can't remember anything being this insanely bad here. So, instead of fixing bad stuff, instead of introducing good stuff... The "next big change" is a nerf to three favorite characters. 6 months ago, this game was no different in terms of actual game play, but it was actually playable. So we've drop kicked the game experience and said "look over here! Pay not attention to the man behind the curtain"

    In a vacuum I am completely ok with Jane and Polaris being nerfed. It was noticeable, but not death sentences. But should we really be happy that they managed to not do as badly as they COULD have? I'm not one to celebrate mediocrity, and to be honest, we are smack dab in the middle of the mediocrity swamp. Make some improvements to the bugs. Make something new and fun to do. Give us one QoL improvement. Even fixing the bugs would be great, and all you have to do is roll the whole thing back in time! THEN roll out these same nerfs. A lot of companies make mistakes, but the dumb ones fail because they refuse to adapt and refuse to fix their mistakes.

    It's like you got shot in the leg and also bit your lip, and you are only tending to the lip, while also being content that the lip wound could have been much worse, leg wound be damned.

  • Polares
    Polares Posts: 2,650 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 16 November 2025, 15:54

    @Blackstone said:

    @Polares said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Polares said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Polares said:
    I have to ask… why dont you just close the game and that is it? We have lost 5+ long players in our Alliance and after this more will follow. Heck, not sure I will continue playing after these nerfs.

    You cant release these stupidly overpowered nodes with 700+ chars and then nerf all the tools we have to beat those nodes. I guess you only want players with 550 chars to be able to do SCL10, but these is not how we the players see it.

    After Polaris nerf I looked at what I could use and I went all in on MTHor and Nova and now you nerf MThor.

    I will give you some advice Devs, STOP with the nerfs, with 6* being the new thing, just stop and let players HAVE FUN with these chars while we progress to 6 land. Be more careful with 6 chars and that will be enough. You are killing the game. Seriously, with all the awful bugs and now the nerfs YOU ARE KILLING THE GAME.

    PS: I have been playing this game since launch, I have seen all the nerfs, from 2 Wolvie to 3 Sentry to Gambit, but this is different, the game is right now at its lowest, and these nerfs are just making even more people quit. Give people reasons to play, not reason to quit!

    I will give you some advice matey. You don't speak for everybody so please do not tell anybody to shut down a game many of us are still enjoying. You can complain about whatever you like, you can quit and you can stop spending money. You can also share that with all of us here. But don't ask to have the game shut down because YOU are unhappy. Thank you.

    Hey, I am giving my opinion, and I will continue to do so and I will continue to ask whatever I like, you can obviously say you dont agree with me or that you think I am wrong, but you can not tell me what I can and can not ask.

    Said that, have you really fully read my comment? Because it is pretty obvious I am not really asking the Devs to close the game, just to be far more careful on the things they are doing if they dont want the game to die. The move to Unity has been a ****-show and nerfing chars now, when so many people are quitting it is a really bad move.

    Your opening line is pretty self explanatory. Maybe you could have phrased that better? You set the tone with that. You don't want the game shut down but ask why the game shouldn't be shut down. An opinion can get lost amidst a flamey sort of thing like that. I'm sure it was typed with a cool and rational head.

    The point of that question was precisely calling Devs attention! I wanted shock and surprise. Because sincerely, with all they have been doing lately I have really wondered if maybe they are tired of the game and they are actively trying to make us quit.

    After all the issues we had and we still have with the migration, nerfing two chars soooo fast after each other and having another one ready to be nerfed…. It really blows my mind and gives me the impression that even though they might have the best intentions, they dont know what they are doing and how low the morale is.

    So… you ask devs to shut down the game, get upset and say you didn’t ask for it to be shut down, then claim you did but only for shock factor…

    Further, you absolutely made statements as “we the players” as if speaking for everyone then, when you were asked to not act as though you speak for everyone, you claim you’re just stating your opinion…

    To be clear, you’re obviously able to share your opinion on things and no one should tell you not to.

    But you really shouldn’t state your opinion as though it is the opinion of the broader group though. You especially shouldn’t do so then claim you didn’t when someone asks you to not speak for them.

    Again, you weren’t asked to not state your opinion. You were asked to not claim that your opinion represented “we the players” by players that disagree with you. And you should acknowledge and respect that.

    Lastly, you really can’t be upset at anyone for asking you to not request the game be shut down (especially when you’re presenting yourself as representing “we the players”).
    They can do whatever they want with their game, including creating a more difficult level of play not everyone can compete in. And you can choose to play at a level your roster allows, or quit, or anything in between.

    You can also tell the devs you don’t like certain changes, but you can’t say “why don’t you just close the game” in the name of “we the players” then act surprised when players say they disagree.

    Can you tell me we are those “we the players” comments you talk about? I do not think I gave anything else than my own opinion and experience.

    I did not get mad at someone not wanting the game to be closed, I did not get mad at all, if anything I was just pointing out that in a forum anyone is free to give their own opinion and even if I was expressing an unpopular opinion, as long as I was not attacking or insulting anybody, I should be able to do so.

    But anyway, I am going to leave it here. My comment did not go as I was expecting and we are now debating something completely different than what my original intention was, so that is it.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,957 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Blackstone said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    When I was a teenager I worked at a fast food restaurant (that shall remain nameless). We had a customer who came in at the same time, every single day, wearing the same clothes (and he wasn't homeless or something, he obviously owned multiples of the same items), ordered exactly the same meal, and paid with exact change. He sat at the same table, and if someone was there he'd ask them to leave or just wait until they left.

    I don't think he was dangerous or anything, but he was deeply weird, and I always wanted to see what'd happen if his food got taken off the menu or the recipe changed or something.

    Turns out, all I had to do was come to the MPQ forums after any change!

    I say that as someone who has ordered the same thing at Waffle House for over 20 years and do the same at other restaurants. I hang my clothes in full sets when doing laundry (I even have several items—pants, shirts, sweaters— that are exactly the same though my wife has managed to get me to wear these items in different colors). If I didn’t have my wife I’d have a much more rigid schedule that I would dislike deviating from.

    I won’t bore you with more details on my deeply weird behavior, but it comes from a need for control and sticking with what works. There’s comfort in removing unnecessary options.

    All these things would describe me as well (minus the laundry hanging part).

    But in my case it's not a need for control. Rather its a need to automate unnecessary decisions so I can spend my time and thoughts on the important things to me.

    Study after study has actually shown that a lot of choices actually paralyzes something like 90% people. In other words if you go to buy cookies at your grocery store and the choices are Oreos or Chocolate Chip people quickly pick one or the other and tend to stick with that choice. But if they get there and there are 20+ choices of cookies they spent an inordinate amount of time vacillating between one choice or another.

    KGB

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