Character Rebalance - Polaris (Lorna Dane) 4*

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  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,601 Chairperson of the Boards

    Maybe this new process will allow for constant, maybe seasonal adjustments in both directions. But with the overwhelming number of characters at various tiers at this point, I don't know that constantly adjusting a few of them instead of giving duds their turn in the sun is going to be a cost effective strategy. The nightmare of course is that we end up in some situation where nobody is particularly great, and now that we have this new escalation in PVE health pools it's just going to take forever artificially.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,858 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 15 October 2025, 17:34

    @Bustapup said:

    @Omegased said:

    @Bustapup said:

    Is this a joke? Even running a full 5* team, even a non-ascended Polaris would rip right through teams.....

    Dude. Polaris can be scary if you don't choose the right team to face her. My guess is she's powerful because people have either stretched their roster (3 characters high level, the rest under covered), OR people don't pay attention to the team you're fighting.

    Non-acended Polaris has 25k health. You should be able to take that down with two turns with the right team.

    Whenever I see MThor, Bill and Polaris I always run Shaw, Agatha and Morbius. It's the ONLY team I consistently have success with and even then I don't win all the time because if Polaris and Thor start cascading even that team will lose.

    Who else do you counter her with effectively because if I ever try another team they lose

    Chasm, 3Namor, 4jugg. MBaku, p5 collosus, or any high match damage character works in place of Jugg. Tinkerer support on chasm and krakoa on Namor. Stop them from making any tiles with chasm and kill them all before they get a turn.

    I Imagine gold Nova, plus your own mthor and iron may with green ap boosts should slaughter them pretty quickly. Or replace mthor or may with Ihulk for infinite airborne/immortality.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,858 Chairperson of the Boards

    @BeetleGeorge said:
    For pve I think this is very bad timing. I'm already unhappy because playing time got longer with the increased enemy levels. And with these changes it will take even more time.
    Until now I switched between a Polaris and a non Polaris team depending on the situation. So maybe I will have to use the other team always, that is until one member of that team gets nerfed too.

    You know you don't have to play at max level? You can do SCL 8 and it will be exactly the same as the old scl 10.

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 818 Critical Contributor

    @skittledaddy said:

    @allen_koholic said:
    Why now? Why not years ago, before she was in every offer?

    Because then they wouldn't have made as much money off of her.

    No doubt she was on their nerf list already, but once she was overwhelming their precious new 6* in this weekend's Boss Event (and my Polaris isn't even ascended!!), it was clear she had to go NOW/first.

    They've unleashed a host of counters for her, but they can't make people use them enough to taper her use. They couldn't beat her, so they had to cheat her.

    Long live Queen Polaris!!

    Galactic was getting deleted by a lot of characters. Polaris wasn’t really an outlier there so it’s illogical to think that provided a reason to nerf her.

    There are reasonable arguments to be made from each side, no need to make things up to fortify your position.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,475 Chairperson of the Boards

    @skittledaddy said:

    @allen_koholic said:
    Why now? Why not years ago, before she was in every offer?

    Because then they wouldn't have made as much money off of her.

    No doubt she was on their nerf list already, but once she was overwhelming their precious new 6* in this weekend's Boss Event (and my Polaris isn't even ascended!!), it was clear she had to go NOW/first.

    They've unleashed a host of counters for her, but they can't make people use them enough to taper her use. They couldn't beat her, so they had to cheat her.

    Long live Queen Polaris!!

    The idea of the developers (who control literally everything about the game and can do whatever they want whenever they want) "cheating" is honestly hilarious. Whose rules are they breaking?

    How much money did you spend on your non-ascended Polaris?

  • Read_Only
    Read_Only Posts: 45 Just Dropped In

    @entrailbucket said:

    What's funny about their post is that it resolves some of the old conspiracy theories about her. I remember getting in fights with players who said Polaris was purposely created to give low tier players a way to win the hardest fights, punch up against endgame rosters, etc, and that she was proof the devs wanted players to do that.

    Turns out, she was just an accident the whole time! She was "over-budgeted" since release, and her powers were never tested together.

    Or it just suits the current narrative to say that. As you say why wait 5 years then. Because it suits the current narrative.

  • Read_Only
    Read_Only Posts: 45 Just Dropped In

    @BeetleGeorge said:
    I know I can step down to a lower SCL. I can even stop playing entirely which costs even less time. But neither is about the point I wanted to make.

    Tried that, it isn't. I have to do more clears and has no CN.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,848 Chairperson of the Boards

    Just play SCL10 if you can, Progression rewards are decent.

  • allen_koholic
    allen_koholic Posts: 113 Tile Toppler

    @Read_Only said:

    @BeetleGeorge said:
    I know I can step down to a lower SCL. I can even stop playing entirely which costs even less time. But neither is about the point I wanted to make.

    Tried that, it isn't. I have to do more clears and has no CN.

    If we're being honest, SCL10 currently only has 3/4 of a CN. Because the devs done goofed that up too.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,475 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Read_Only said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    What's funny about their post is that it resolves some of the old conspiracy theories about her. I remember getting in fights with players who said Polaris was purposely created to give low tier players a way to win the hardest fights, punch up against endgame rosters, etc, and that she was proof the devs wanted players to do that.

    Turns out, she was just an accident the whole time! She was "over-budgeted" since release, and her powers were never tested together.

    Or it just suits the current narrative to say that. As you say why wait 5 years then. Because it suits the current narrative.

    Yeah, I mean, I can't really fault you for thinking they're lying about it, because that actually doesn't make any sense. If they knew she was over-budgeted, they had years and years to fix the problem.

    For me, I believe they're telling the truth about all this and they're just shockingly incompetent.

  • allen_koholic
    allen_koholic Posts: 113 Tile Toppler

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Read_Only said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    What's funny about their post is that it resolves some of the old conspiracy theories about her. I remember getting in fights with players who said Polaris was purposely created to give low tier players a way to win the hardest fights, punch up against endgame rosters, etc, and that she was proof the devs wanted players to do that.

    Turns out, she was just an accident the whole time! She was "over-budgeted" since release, and her powers were never tested together.

    Or it just suits the current narrative to say that. As you say why wait 5 years then. Because it suits the current narrative.

    Yeah, I mean, I can't really fault you for thinking they're lying about it, because that actually doesn't make any sense. If they knew she was over-budgeted, they had years and years to fix the problem.

    For me, I believe they're telling the truth about all this and they're just shockingly incompetent.

    I'm inclined to believe that only because the fix was terrible. If her issue was SAP spam, just tone that down to a reasonable level. Have it only trigger on matches, not destroys. Hardcap the number the number she can make.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,601 Chairperson of the Boards

    I always assume some new feature conflicts with what a character is doing when something like this happens, like perhaps she trivializes the new SCL10 or something for too many people, so we need to dial that back maybe

  • MANIMAL72
    MANIMAL72 Posts: 9 Just Dropped In

    After 5 years this is total ****!!!
    The reason they say it’s now necessary is ****!!!
    Who is next? All metas-Mthir, SC, Kang, Omega,Sam,Juggs, etc.
    Where does it stop or does it!?
    They should refund any money, HP, or CP that was spent on leveling up if anyone wants!

  • MegaBee
    MegaBee Posts: 1,281 Chairperson of the Boards

    @MANIMAL72 said:
    After 5 years this is total ****!!!
    The reason they say it’s now necessary is ****!!!
    Who is next? All metas-Mthir, SC, Kang, Omega,Sam,Juggs, etc.
    Where does it stop or does it!?
    They should refund any money, HP, or CP that was spent on leveling up if anyone wants!

    MThor and SC are almost certainly in the crosshairs. The day of the broad roster is upon us!

  • DTrain514
    DTrain514 Posts: 30 Just Dropped In

    Seems like it could have been easily fixed by can only duplicate once per turn.

    Just like mthor, "only board shakes at beginning of turn". Easy fixes, helps make them not op. They are making it far too complicated

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,475 Chairperson of the Boards

    @allen_koholic said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Read_Only said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    What's funny about their post is that it resolves some of the old conspiracy theories about her. I remember getting in fights with players who said Polaris was purposely created to give low tier players a way to win the hardest fights, punch up against endgame rosters, etc, and that she was proof the devs wanted players to do that.

    Turns out, she was just an accident the whole time! She was "over-budgeted" since release, and her powers were never tested together.

    Or it just suits the current narrative to say that. As you say why wait 5 years then. Because it suits the current narrative.

    Yeah, I mean, I can't really fault you for thinking they're lying about it, because that actually doesn't make any sense. If they knew she was over-budgeted, they had years and years to fix the problem.

    For me, I believe they're telling the truth about all this and they're just shockingly incompetent.

    I'm inclined to believe that only because the fix was terrible. If her issue was SAP spam, just tone that down to a reasonable level. Have it only trigger on matches, not destroys. Hardcap the number the number she can make.

    I think the biggest problem with assuming they do stuff like this on purpose is that doing this stuff on purpose requires a plan, it requires organization and thinking ahead. They'd have to understand what makes characters good or bad and purposely release good or bad ones at certain intervals, tailor the offers a certain way, construct events a certain way, guide the metagame to where they want it to go...

    And there's just zero evidence of them being capable of doing anything like that. It's fun to think that they're running some years-long scam, but the problem is that tons of the things they do are just random nonsense that don't fit that narrative at all.

    It's a much easier explanation to assume that they're just casting about in the dark, doing whatever, because that's the only explanation that always fits. Like they can't be evil geniuses and screw up the most basic stuff all the time -- it doesn't make sense.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,601 Chairperson of the Boards

    this is a very old live service game, if it is running on more than a bare minimum skeleton crew who can only really walk OR chew gum at a given time, I would be shocked. I think the game has probably outlived it's expected obsolescence window and now every day is a gift, but every day also brings more and more technical debt.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,908 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:
    Just play SCL10 if you can, Progression rewards are decent.

    They are more than decent. They are fabulous compared to the old CL10.

    I'm just doing the easy nodes, a couple of times on the others and ignoring the CN entirely. I'll get 3/4 of full progression. The 3/4s rewards are much better than the entire old CL10 rewards were (I get Galactus shards, I get more than a full cover of a 5 vs 1/2 cover before, I get multiple 4 star covers vs 1 etc). Yes I lose out on some CP and some ISO but the rest is much better and for WAY less work because I only need to hit the nodes 2x each, 3 if it's goons and easy to do.

    KGB

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