Can‘t equip supports in season sim

@entrailbucket said:

@WhiteBomber said:

Hopefully they get brought back in a more balanced form, rather than leaving us with some awkward "you can use these supports here, but not these ones".

Just want to point out that for several years after they created them, every support was "you can use these here (in PvE) but not here (in PvP)," and for whatever reason, a bunch of people seem to want to go back to that nonsensical scheme.

Of course, this current setup somehow makes even less sense, so I also hope they will rebalance the banned stuff, whatever that ends up being.

The difference was all and nothing, not all and some.

In this scenario you now have to change your supports depending on which mode you are in, and try to remember what's available or not. I get what you are saying, they are technically both bad implementations of process, but one is worse (IMO).

@WhiteBomber said:

@entrailbucket said:

@WhiteBomber said:

Hopefully they get brought back in a more balanced form, rather than leaving us with some awkward "you can use these supports here, but not these ones".

Just want to point out that for several years after they created them, every support was "you can use these here (in PvE) but not here (in PvP)," and for whatever reason, a bunch of people seem to want to go back to that nonsensical scheme.

Of course, this current setup somehow makes even less sense, so I also hope they will rebalance the banned stuff, whatever that ends up being.

The difference was all and nothing, not all and some.

In this scenario you now have to change your supports depending on which mode you are in, and try to remember what's available or not. I get what you are saying, they are technically both bad implementations of process, but one is worse (IMO).

I agree with you!

@Daredevil217 said:
Anyone thinking this is going to open up some new diverse meta game… I have a bridge to sell you.

Everyone will likely still run Sam/Juggs. This will change zero. Just like in Lightning Rounds.

And here’s a spoiler… it will always be like this. There will always be a best team and best supports for those teams and the majority will gravitate to whatever that is. If you are wanting a diverse meta game there are SO many better options than MPQ - which has a pretty good track record of holding on to single team metas for literal YEARS.

As an aside, please buff some of the lower tier supports now!

I'll be able to oneshot your Juggernaut turn0 with a different guy every single week (oh and it'll work on defense too!).

That's diverse enough for me.

I mean, you can one shot Thor and Shang too but didn’t you complain about a “lack of diversity” when they ruled the meta game? If you’re cool with one punch offense that’s cool, but feels like a bit of a different take than you’ve had in the past. Nice to see you coming around! Offensive glass cannons ftw!

I’m a bit torn on this. The only support I hate out of the bunch is Frog and am personally happy to see it gone. However, I find the cascade supports useful and fun (but I also like chaos characters like Thor). I’m also pretty anti-nerf unless the mechanic is broken (and I have a pretty high threshold for what I consider “broken”… and none of these apply).

For all the “sky is falling” posts I’ve read over the past decade this is the first time it’s really felt like “end of days”. Buy clubs have already dried up and the game is unplayable for many who have the new engine (with many more to come). So I’m kind of indifferent to most things they do now. I’m definitely playing MUCH less which is weird for me, because this used to be such a staple.

Offense always trumps defense because the AI is stupid and first player gets lots of advantages.

You can turn-1 kill my Juggs with multiple
boosted 550s. And I can turn-1 kill your multiple boosted 550s using the same 3 characters every week. And can probably do it much easier with leap banned. I guess that’s diversity now?… but it’s not really all that different than it’s been. Unless you are saying you couldn’t beat unboosted meta 550s running leap. In which case, I’m glad you can win now (or if you were winning before, the game is easier now). You can always (and could always) choose to create your own diversity on offense. I’m saying I don’t see the “wall” on defense changing. But if you’re happy, that’s genuinely great, because I know it’s something you’ve complained about for awhile!

@Daredevil217 said:
Offense always trumps defense because the AI is stupid and first player gets lots of advantages.

You can turn-1 kill my Juggs with multiple
boosted 550s. And I can turn-1 kill your multiple boosted 550s using the same 3 characters every week. I guess that’s diversity now?… but it’s not really all that different than it’s been. Unless you are saying you couldn’t beat unboosted meta 550s running leap. In which case, I’m glad you can win now (or if you were winning before, the game is easier now). You can always (and could always) choose to create your own diversity on offense. I’m saying I don’t see the “wall” on defense charging. But if you’re happy, that’s genuinely great, because I know it’s something you’ve complained about for awhile!

Which unboosted 550s can kill a 672 Ares with 500k HP before he casts green? I'm genuinely curious.

@Daredevil217 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Daredevil217 said:
Offense always trumps defense because the AI is stupid and first player gets lots of advantages.

You can turn-1 kill my Juggs with multiple
boosted 550s. And I can turn-1 kill your multiple boosted 550s using the same 3 characters every week. I guess that’s diversity now?… but it’s not really all that different than it’s been. Unless you are saying you couldn’t beat unboosted meta 550s running leap. In which case, I’m glad you can win now (or if you were winning before, the game is easier now). You can always (and could always) choose to create your own diversity on offense. I’m saying I don’t see the “wall” on defense charging. But if you’re happy, that’s genuinely great, because I know it’s something you’ve complained about for awhile!

Which unboosted 550s can kill a 672 Ares with 500k HP before he casts green? I'm genuinely curious.

Mbaku / Namor
Thor/Riri
And I think Darkveil/Kang? But not sure if the enemy gets a turn or not (I don’t play this one)

I’m going to guess Shang with a few partners that let him go winfinite as well.

Good luck with that, running any of those will get you barbequed on defense (which is exactly how it should be -- if you insist on running characters that are 120 levels below max, they should be weak!).

Oh, incoming "I don't care about defense anyway." Ok, why were you running Leapfrog?

@BriMan2222 said:

@Daredevil217 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Daredevil217 said:
Offense always trumps defense because the AI is stupid and first player gets lots of advantages.

You can turn-1 kill my Juggs with multiple
boosted 550s. And I can turn-1 kill your multiple boosted 550s using the same 3 characters every week. I guess that’s diversity now?… but it’s not really all that different than it’s been. Unless you are saying you couldn’t beat unboosted meta 550s running leap. In which case, I’m glad you can win now (or if you were winning before, the game is easier now). You can always (and could always) choose to create your own diversity on offense. I’m saying I don’t see the “wall” on defense charging. But if you’re happy, that’s genuinely great, because I know it’s something you’ve complained about for awhile!

Which unboosted 550s can kill a 672 Ares with 500k HP before he casts green? I'm genuinely curious.

Mbaku / Namor
Thor/Riri
And I think Darkveil/Kang? But not sure if the enemy gets a turn or not (I don’t play this one)

I’m going to guess Shang with a few partners that let him go winfinite as well.

Mbaku/namor really needs the fantasticar. Car adds that match 4 or greater do 75% more match damage and of course the extra cascades. Without car, you're gonna need a really good board to KO a 500k hp character before they get a turn.

To be fair I’ve never seen a 550 Ares in the wild and doubt I will all of a sudden with this change. But I’ve never shied away from Juggs teams before and they have similar low cost/ high health/ high nukes. I used to shy away just for times sake, but now hit them over Sam/Juggs AOE. Also didn’t we learn that May/Elsa can one shot any character in the game? Forgot to add it to the list.

Also, who said I was running leap? I’d only put it on when I’m about to shield. For most of my climb that’s not one of the supports I used. I did however use Car a lot and that’s a good shout about the extra damage from Car.

@Daredevil217 said:

@BriMan2222 said:

@Daredevil217 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Daredevil217 said:
Offense always trumps defense because the AI is stupid and first player gets lots of advantages.

You can turn-1 kill my Juggs with multiple
boosted 550s. And I can turn-1 kill your multiple boosted 550s using the same 3 characters every week. I guess that’s diversity now?… but it’s not really all that different than it’s been. Unless you are saying you couldn’t beat unboosted meta 550s running leap. In which case, I’m glad you can win now (or if you were winning before, the game is easier now). You can always (and could always) choose to create your own diversity on offense. I’m saying I don’t see the “wall” on defense charging. But if you’re happy, that’s genuinely great, because I know it’s something you’ve complained about for awhile!

Which unboosted 550s can kill a 672 Ares with 500k HP before he casts green? I'm genuinely curious.

Mbaku / Namor
Thor/Riri
And I think Darkveil/Kang? But not sure if the enemy gets a turn or not (I don’t play this one)

I’m going to guess Shang with a few partners that let him go winfinite as well.

Mbaku/namor really needs the fantasticar. Car adds that match 4 or greater do 75% more match damage and of course the extra cascades. Without car, you're gonna need a really good board to KO a 500k hp character before they get a turn.

To be fair I’ve never seen a 550 Ares in the wild and doubt I will all of a sudden with this change. But I’ve never shied away from Juggs teams before and they have similar low cost/ high health/ high nukes. I used to shy away just for times sake, but now hit them over Sam/Juggs AOE. Also didn’t we learn that May/Elsa can one shot any character in the game? Forgot to add it to the list.

Also, who said I was running leap? I’d only put it on when I’m about to shield. For most of my climb that’s not one of the supports I used. I did however use Car a lot and that’s a good shout about the extra damage from Car.

There was no reason to avoid those teams if you had Leapfrog. Now there is.

If you truly don't care about defense, none of this really matters to you anyway. Yeah, just run Shang-Chi or Riri or whatever, do your wins and lose 500 points on defense.

I do care about defense though, and it's very cool that characters like Ares will now have some defensive value.

@entrailbucket said:

@Daredevil217 said:

@BriMan2222 said:

@Daredevil217 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Daredevil217 said:
Offense always trumps defense because the AI is stupid and first player gets lots of advantages.

You can turn-1 kill my Juggs with multiple
boosted 550s. And I can turn-1 kill your multiple boosted 550s using the same 3 characters every week. I guess that’s diversity now?… but it’s not really all that different than it’s been. Unless you are saying you couldn’t beat unboosted meta 550s running leap. In which case, I’m glad you can win now (or if you were winning before, the game is easier now). You can always (and could always) choose to create your own diversity on offense. I’m saying I don’t see the “wall” on defense charging. But if you’re happy, that’s genuinely great, because I know it’s something you’ve complained about for awhile!

Which unboosted 550s can kill a 672 Ares with 500k HP before he casts green? I'm genuinely curious.

Mbaku / Namor
Thor/Riri
And I think Darkveil/Kang? But not sure if the enemy gets a turn or not (I don’t play this one)

I’m going to guess Shang with a few partners that let him go winfinite as well.

Mbaku/namor really needs the fantasticar. Car adds that match 4 or greater do 75% more match damage and of course the extra cascades. Without car, you're gonna need a really good board to KO a 500k hp character before they get a turn.

To be fair I’ve never seen a 550 Ares in the wild and doubt I will all of a sudden with this change. But I’ve never shied away from Juggs teams before and they have similar low cost/ high health/ high nukes. I used to shy away just for times sake, but now hit them over Sam/Juggs AOE. Also didn’t we learn that May/Elsa can one shot any character in the game? Forgot to add it to the list.

Also, who said I was running leap? I’d only put it on when I’m about to shield. For most of my climb that’s not one of the supports I used. I did however use Car a lot and that’s a good shout about the extra damage from Car.

There was no reason to avoid those teams if you had Leapfrog. Now there is.

If you truly don't care about defense, none of this really matters to you anyway. Yeah, just run Shang-Chi or Riri or whatever, do your wins and lose 500 points on defense.

I do care about defense though, and it's very cool that characters like Ares will now have some defensive value.

Hey, no arguments here. I truly meant what I said. If you’re happy, then that’s great. I never really cried about the metagame on the whole (other than two specific characters- Chasm/Bishop, who I cried incessantly about) and like you said, this change probably impacts me very little. I’ll adapt. I always do. But if this means diversity for you and you get to finally be happy, then I’m happy for you!