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Scofie knows what's up. If you know it's a hard counter to your team, all you have to do in this instance was swap one person to someone who counters them back.

I just pushed my 25 wins in the Toni ho event and saw different teams all the way to over 700 points. If anything, the main recurring factor was Magik was on the majority of those teams (and she is a jerk with Toni). So, either they need to fix everyone else's MMR, or people are being dramatic.

...25 wins/700 points. We are not playing the same game.

What game are you playing then? Is the frustration now that this is only a problem after X amount of wins and X amount of points?

You are beyond casual. I've been "retired" from PvP for like 6 years and I play at minimum twice as much as you do and frequently 4-6x as much. Serious PvP players are playing significantly more than me.

If my goal was to play for 15 minutes or whatever like you, I could also skip all the good teams and just bash a few seals and call it a day.

That was without skipping teams, and all I'm saying is, assuming the problem doesn't actually kick in until after that many points or wins, those details were not communicated and impacts a much smaller demographic.

It's not about points or wins, it's about roster and goals. You likely can't see the good players at all, and you're averaging like 25 points per win, which is awful. Are you seeing 60-75 point matches? Are you skipping them because their teams are too strong?

Players like me (and some others here!) are the canary in the coalmine. The folks I'm in competition with are on the bleeding edge of whatever the best thing in the game is, and everyone else is chasing that. They will get there eventually. I guarantee you there are hundreds of players investing into Sam/Jugg/Leapfrog/etc right now.

When Chasm and the Chasm/Hulk team showed up, nobody wanted to hear about it being overpowered (and I remember, I was there) until it broke containment and started showing up everywhere, for everyone.

I always see 50+ point matches along with max boosted characters (you even contributed to a previous conversation about how I see them often). I regularly look for the top 10 in my slice to hit for fun. I often sit in top 10 for hours at a time unshielded. I usually only avoid teams if I am looking to try something specific, but more often I am looking to fight the meta teams so I can get more data for the PVP counter thread.

Not sure what the comment about Sam/Jug/Frog has to do with this? Of course everyone is chasing them, and they should, I would never say otherwise.

If you're doing 50 point fights, then 25 wins gets you past 1200. Something isn't adding up.

The point was that if you're not currently seeing a wall, you may start seeing it soon -- it's possible that the folks in your matchmaking band haven't had a chance to level those guys yet. They're likely working on it, though!

If he is sitting unshielded he will be getting hit, so easy to see how he isn't hitting 1200.

So like, "I did 25 wins and got to 700 points" is a very, VERY different thing than "I did 25 wins while getting brutally murdered for 500+ points, and ended up at 700 points."

I dunno, I lost to Jeff, what do I know? From their posts though it seems they have a "come and get me" attitude and that explains the lower points score. Also nobody said every match was 50 points or whatever? Also I am lost at where we are now in this thread?

The point is that we can't make big declarative statements about what is or isn't while we are all engaging with the game in completely different ways. This person is a very casual player, and obviously that perspective is valuable, but they can't speak for others who play much more, in a much different way.

I mean casual is as casual does? What is the definition of a casual player? He/she posted a screenshot of being top 10 which is either a jammy result based upon others being even more casual or actually a bit of effort? I again caveat with the I lost to a fish standard of my knowledge here.

Hmm, I must be a super hardcore PvE player then...

(Or maybe it's early in the event and the bracket will look very different at the end)

I have no idea matey but I think you could be? I mean you said you sometimes play 100 matches in PvP? That seems pretty super hardcore to me! But...fish, etc, Yadda Yadda.

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@WhiteBomber said:

@entrailbucket said:

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@entrailbucket said:

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@entrailbucket said:

@WhiteBomber said:
Scofie knows what's up. If you know it's a hard counter to your team, all you have to do in this instance was swap one person to someone who counters them back.

I just pushed my 25 wins in the Toni ho event and saw different teams all the way to over 700 points. If anything, the main recurring factor was Magik was on the majority of those teams (and she is a jerk with Toni). So, either they need to fix everyone else's MMR, or people are being dramatic.

...25 wins/700 points. We are not playing the same game.

What game are you playing then? Is the frustration now that this is only a problem after X amount of wins and X amount of points?

You are beyond casual. I've been "retired" from PvP for like 6 years and I play at minimum twice as much as you do and frequently 4-6x as much. Serious PvP players are playing significantly more than me.

If my goal was to play for 15 minutes or whatever like you, I could also skip all the good teams and just bash a few seals and call it a day.

That was without skipping teams, and all I'm saying is, assuming the problem doesn't actually kick in until after that many points or wins, those details were not communicated and impacts a much smaller demographic.

It's not about points or wins, it's about roster and goals. You likely can't see the good players at all, and you're averaging like 25 points per win, which is awful. Are you seeing 60-75 point matches? Are you skipping them because their teams are too strong?

Players like me (and some others here!) are the canary in the coalmine. The folks I'm in competition with are on the bleeding edge of whatever the best thing in the game is, and everyone else is chasing that. They will get there eventually. I guarantee you there are hundreds of players investing into Sam/Jugg/Leapfrog/etc right now.

When Chasm and the Chasm/Hulk team showed up, nobody wanted to hear about it being overpowered (and I remember, I was there) until it broke containment and started showing up everywhere, for everyone.

I always see 50+ point matches along with max boosted characters (you even contributed to a previous conversation about how I see them often). I regularly look for the top 10 in my slice to hit for fun. I often sit in top 10 for hours at a time unshielded. I usually only avoid teams if I am looking to try something specific, but more often I am looking to fight the meta teams so I can get more data for the PVP counter thread.

Not sure what the comment about Sam/Jug/Frog has to do with this? Of course everyone is chasing them, and they should, I would never say otherwise.

If you're doing 50 point fights, then 25 wins gets you past 1200. Something isn't adding up.

The point was that if you're not currently seeing a wall, you may start seeing it soon -- it's possible that the folks in your matchmaking band haven't had a chance to level those guys yet. They're likely working on it, though!

If he is sitting unshielded he will be getting hit, so easy to see how he isn't hitting 1200.

So like, "I did 25 wins and got to 700 points" is a very, VERY different thing than "I did 25 wins while getting brutally murdered for 500+ points, and ended up at 700 points."

I dunno, I lost to Jeff, what do I know? From their posts though it seems they have a "come and get me" attitude and that explains the lower points score. Also nobody said every match was 50 points or whatever? Also I am lost at where we are now in this thread?

The point is that we can't make big declarative statements about what is or isn't while we are all engaging with the game in completely different ways. This person is a very casual player, and obviously that perspective is valuable, but they can't speak for others who play much more, in a much different way.

I mean casual is as casual does? What is the definition of a casual player? He/she posted a screenshot of being top 10 which is either a jammy result based upon others being even more casual or actually a bit of effort? I again caveat with the I lost to a fish standard of my knowledge here.

Hmm, I must be a super hardcore PvE player then...

(Or maybe it's early in the event and the bracket will look very different at the end)

I have no idea matey but I think you could be? I mean you said you sometimes play 100 matches in PvP? That seems pretty super hardcore to me! But...fish, etc, Yadda Yadda.

Is playing over 10 years casual?

Is having more 550s than the average person has characters casual?

Is spending copious amounts of money casual?

Is playing hundreds (plural) of PVP matches every event casual?

Is spending more time posting on a message board about the game than a majority of the players spend playing the actual game casual?

Is carrying vendettas and blood feuds against certain players casual?

Is begging for nerfs until you’re blue in the face casual?

Who’s to say?!

I mean maybe only T10 players can be considered “hardcore”, but as a person who frequently places T3 and often T1 in PVE, I only spend like 20 minutes a day on PVE total (opening clears and closing grind). So the hardcore actually spend less time on the game funny enough (using that silly definition). So… yeah. Something something fish.

I was waiting for you to show up! Great contributions!

@slidecage said:
how can you end top place in pve when you only play 20 mins a day if this is true then the game must really be dead

i myself can no longer really see playing the game maybe its my gallstones talking (surgery sometime in july) but just find game lost its fun

would ir really kill the game (not sure if something like this could even be program)

the season vault... if you miss 3 season vaults ascended reward you get a token to a shop that gives you 1 for free

3 stikes you earn a reward

As many as 3 strikes? You sure you can wait that long?

@Pantera236 said:

@slidecage said:
how can you end top place in pve when you only play 20 mins a day if this is true then the game must really be dead

i myself can no longer really see playing the game maybe its my gallstones talking (surgery sometime in july) but just find game lost its fun

would ir really kill the game (not sure if something like this could even be program)

the season vault... if you miss 3 season vaults ascended reward you get a token to a shop that gives you 1 for free

3 stikes you earn a reward

You HAVE to only play 20 of pve to get top placement, has nothing to do with the game being dead or not though. It's just how a speed competition works.

walk me though this how can you play 30 mins a day tops and take first place in pve

unless you have a team that wins round 0 every time i cant see this happening

this is what less then 7 mins playing 36 rounds?

@slidecage said:

@Pantera236 said:

@slidecage said:
how can you end top place in pve when you only play 20 mins a day if this is true then the game must really be dead

i myself can no longer really see playing the game maybe its my gallstones talking (surgery sometime in july) but just find game lost its fun

would ir really kill the game (not sure if something like this could even be program)

the season vault... if you miss 3 season vaults ascended reward you get a token to a shop that gives you 1 for free

3 stikes you earn a reward

You HAVE to only play 20 of pve to get top placement, has nothing to do with the game being dead or not though. It's just how a speed competition works.

walk me though this how can you play 30 mins a day tops and take first place in pve

unless you have a team that wins round 0 every time i cant see this happening

this is what less then 7 mins playing 36 rounds?

yes its more than possible. Between the AP supports, and power creep in new chars, zero-2 turn wins are common place. expecially in the Champion node and 5* node battles.

keep in mind. its the same accounts who are running boost week 550 combos in pvp or even faster combos like kangveil for special node siutations.

For easy nodes, Polaris, Grocket and Mantis, also 1 or 2 turns

Slides shtick is wearing thin. Wants top resources from minimum playing. Doesn't work that way and he knows it. Imo, stop helping and let him walk.

What about one of dem arena style gameplays like you have in hearthstone, that's separate from the normal PVP so that the uh-uh whales can still dunk on the fish, where you're given 3 random 4* or 5* (depending on the bracket choice) and 3 random supports and each round you win you can choose to either reroll the supports or level them up.

I'm pretty sure others can come up with better additions but at least this will break the stagnation.