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  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,994 Chairperson of the Boards

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    Scofie knows what's up. If you know it's a hard counter to your team, all you have to do in this instance was swap one person to someone who counters them back.

    I just pushed my 25 wins in the Toni ho event and saw different teams all the way to over 700 points. If anything, the main recurring factor was Magik was on the majority of those teams (and she is a jerk with Toni). So, either they need to fix everyone else's MMR, or people are being dramatic.

    ...25 wins/700 points. We are not playing the same game.

    What game are you playing then? Is the frustration now that this is only a problem after X amount of wins and X amount of points?

    You are beyond casual. I've been "retired" from PvP for like 6 years and I play at minimum twice as much as you do and frequently 4-6x as much. Serious PvP players are playing significantly more than me.

    If my goal was to play for 15 minutes or whatever like you, I could also skip all the good teams and just bash a few seals and call it a day.

    That was without skipping teams, and all I'm saying is, assuming the problem doesn't actually kick in until after that many points or wins, those details were not communicated and impacts a much smaller demographic.

    It's not about points or wins, it's about roster and goals. You likely can't see the good players at all, and you're averaging like 25 points per win, which is awful. Are you seeing 60-75 point matches? Are you skipping them because their teams are too strong?

    Players like me (and some others here!) are the canary in the coalmine. The folks I'm in competition with are on the bleeding edge of whatever the best thing in the game is, and everyone else is chasing that. They will get there eventually. I guarantee you there are hundreds of players investing into Sam/Jugg/Leapfrog/etc right now.

    When Chasm and the Chasm/Hulk team showed up, nobody wanted to hear about it being overpowered (and I remember, I was there) until it broke containment and started showing up everywhere, for everyone.

    I always see 50+ point matches along with max boosted characters (you even contributed to a previous conversation about how I see them often). I regularly look for the top 10 in my slice to hit for fun. I often sit in top 10 for hours at a time unshielded. I usually only avoid teams if I am looking to try something specific, but more often I am looking to fight the meta teams so I can get more data for the PVP counter thread.

    Not sure what the comment about Sam/Jug/Frog has to do with this? Of course everyone is chasing them, and they should, I would never say otherwise.

    If you're doing 50 point fights, then 25 wins gets you past 1200. Something isn't adding up.

    The point was that if you're not currently seeing a wall, you may start seeing it soon -- it's possible that the folks in your matchmaking band haven't had a chance to level those guys yet. They're likely working on it, though!

    If he is sitting unshielded he will be getting hit, so easy to see how he isn't hitting 1200.

    So like, "I did 25 wins and got to 700 points" is a very, VERY different thing than "I did 25 wins while getting brutally murdered for 500+ points, and ended up at 700 points."

    I dunno, I lost to Jeff, what do I know? From their posts though it seems they have a "come and get me" attitude and that explains the lower points score. Also nobody said every match was 50 points or whatever? Also I am lost at where we are now in this thread?

    The point is that we can't make big declarative statements about what is or isn't while we are all engaging with the game in completely different ways. This person is a very casual player, and obviously that perspective is valuable, but they can't speak for others who play much more, in a much different way.

    I mean casual is as casual does? What is the definition of a casual player? He/she posted a screenshot of being top 10 which is either a jammy result based upon others being even more casual or actually a bit of effort? I again caveat with the I lost to a fish standard of my knowledge here.

    Hmm, I must be a super hardcore PvE player then...

    (Or maybe it's early in the event and the bracket will look very different at the end)

    I have no idea matey but I think you could be? I mean you said you sometimes play 100 matches in PvP? That seems pretty super hardcore to me! But...fish, etc, Yadda Yadda.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,645 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    Taking quite the liberties with that math I see, we must be playing a different game.

    Listen, I'm not trying to start a fight or something. I think we're just not understanding each other.

    You said you do (or did?) 25 matches for 700 points. I said that number of points per match seems low (700/25=28). You said that actually you usually see 50 point matches. If you do 25 50 point matches, that gets you to 1200. Then you posted a screenshot of you at 966 points.

    So what am I missing? I am legitimately trying to understand your play style, and legitimately not understanding it. I'm asking what you do.

  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 4,078 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 5 June 2025, 03:58

    @DAZ0273 said:

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    Scofie knows what's up. If you know it's a hard counter to your team, all you have to do in this instance was swap one person to someone who counters them back.

    I just pushed my 25 wins in the Toni ho event and saw different teams all the way to over 700 points. If anything, the main recurring factor was Magik was on the majority of those teams (and she is a jerk with Toni). So, either they need to fix everyone else's MMR, or people are being dramatic.

    ...25 wins/700 points. We are not playing the same game.

    What game are you playing then? Is the frustration now that this is only a problem after X amount of wins and X amount of points?

    You are beyond casual. I've been "retired" from PvP for like 6 years and I play at minimum twice as much as you do and frequently 4-6x as much. Serious PvP players are playing significantly more than me.

    If my goal was to play for 15 minutes or whatever like you, I could also skip all the good teams and just bash a few seals and call it a day.

    That was without skipping teams, and all I'm saying is, assuming the problem doesn't actually kick in until after that many points or wins, those details were not communicated and impacts a much smaller demographic.

    It's not about points or wins, it's about roster and goals. You likely can't see the good players at all, and you're averaging like 25 points per win, which is awful. Are you seeing 60-75 point matches? Are you skipping them because their teams are too strong?

    Players like me (and some others here!) are the canary in the coalmine. The folks I'm in competition with are on the bleeding edge of whatever the best thing in the game is, and everyone else is chasing that. They will get there eventually. I guarantee you there are hundreds of players investing into Sam/Jugg/Leapfrog/etc right now.

    When Chasm and the Chasm/Hulk team showed up, nobody wanted to hear about it being overpowered (and I remember, I was there) until it broke containment and started showing up everywhere, for everyone.

    I always see 50+ point matches along with max boosted characters (you even contributed to a previous conversation about how I see them often). I regularly look for the top 10 in my slice to hit for fun. I often sit in top 10 for hours at a time unshielded. I usually only avoid teams if I am looking to try something specific, but more often I am looking to fight the meta teams so I can get more data for the PVP counter thread.

    Not sure what the comment about Sam/Jug/Frog has to do with this? Of course everyone is chasing them, and they should, I would never say otherwise.

    If you're doing 50 point fights, then 25 wins gets you past 1200. Something isn't adding up.

    The point was that if you're not currently seeing a wall, you may start seeing it soon -- it's possible that the folks in your matchmaking band haven't had a chance to level those guys yet. They're likely working on it, though!

    If he is sitting unshielded he will be getting hit, so easy to see how he isn't hitting 1200.

    So like, "I did 25 wins and got to 700 points" is a very, VERY different thing than "I did 25 wins while getting brutally murdered for 500+ points, and ended up at 700 points."

    I dunno, I lost to Jeff, what do I know? From their posts though it seems they have a "come and get me" attitude and that explains the lower points score. Also nobody said every match was 50 points or whatever? Also I am lost at where we are now in this thread?

    The point is that we can't make big declarative statements about what is or isn't while we are all engaging with the game in completely different ways. This person is a very casual player, and obviously that perspective is valuable, but they can't speak for others who play much more, in a much different way.

    I mean casual is as casual does? What is the definition of a casual player? He/she posted a screenshot of being top 10 which is either a jammy result based upon others being even more casual or actually a bit of effort? I again caveat with the I lost to a fish standard of my knowledge here.

    Hmm, I must be a super hardcore PvE player then...

    (Or maybe it's early in the event and the bracket will look very different at the end)

    I have no idea matey but I think you could be? I mean you said you sometimes play 100 matches in PvP? That seems pretty super hardcore to me! But...fish, etc, Yadda Yadda.

    Is playing over 10 years casual?

    Is having more 550s than the average person has characters casual?

    Is spending copious amounts of money casual?

    Is playing hundreds (plural) of PVP matches every event casual?

    Is spending more time posting on a message board about the game than a majority of the players spend playing the actual game casual?

    Is carrying vendettas and blood feuds against certain players casual?

    Is begging for nerfs until you’re blue in the face casual?

    Who’s to say?!

    I mean maybe only T10 players can be considered “hardcore”, but as a person who frequently places T3 and often T1 in PVE, I only spend like 20 minutes a day on PVE total (opening clears and closing grind). So the hardcore actually spend less time on the game funny enough (using that silly definition). So… yeah. Something something fish.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,645 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Daredevil217 said:

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    Scofie knows what's up. If you know it's a hard counter to your team, all you have to do in this instance was swap one person to someone who counters them back.

    I just pushed my 25 wins in the Toni ho event and saw different teams all the way to over 700 points. If anything, the main recurring factor was Magik was on the majority of those teams (and she is a jerk with Toni). So, either they need to fix everyone else's MMR, or people are being dramatic.

    ...25 wins/700 points. We are not playing the same game.

    What game are you playing then? Is the frustration now that this is only a problem after X amount of wins and X amount of points?

    You are beyond casual. I've been "retired" from PvP for like 6 years and I play at minimum twice as much as you do and frequently 4-6x as much. Serious PvP players are playing significantly more than me.

    If my goal was to play for 15 minutes or whatever like you, I could also skip all the good teams and just bash a few seals and call it a day.

    That was without skipping teams, and all I'm saying is, assuming the problem doesn't actually kick in until after that many points or wins, those details were not communicated and impacts a much smaller demographic.

    It's not about points or wins, it's about roster and goals. You likely can't see the good players at all, and you're averaging like 25 points per win, which is awful. Are you seeing 60-75 point matches? Are you skipping them because their teams are too strong?

    Players like me (and some others here!) are the canary in the coalmine. The folks I'm in competition with are on the bleeding edge of whatever the best thing in the game is, and everyone else is chasing that. They will get there eventually. I guarantee you there are hundreds of players investing into Sam/Jugg/Leapfrog/etc right now.

    When Chasm and the Chasm/Hulk team showed up, nobody wanted to hear about it being overpowered (and I remember, I was there) until it broke containment and started showing up everywhere, for everyone.

    I always see 50+ point matches along with max boosted characters (you even contributed to a previous conversation about how I see them often). I regularly look for the top 10 in my slice to hit for fun. I often sit in top 10 for hours at a time unshielded. I usually only avoid teams if I am looking to try something specific, but more often I am looking to fight the meta teams so I can get more data for the PVP counter thread.

    Not sure what the comment about Sam/Jug/Frog has to do with this? Of course everyone is chasing them, and they should, I would never say otherwise.

    If you're doing 50 point fights, then 25 wins gets you past 1200. Something isn't adding up.

    The point was that if you're not currently seeing a wall, you may start seeing it soon -- it's possible that the folks in your matchmaking band haven't had a chance to level those guys yet. They're likely working on it, though!

    If he is sitting unshielded he will be getting hit, so easy to see how he isn't hitting 1200.

    So like, "I did 25 wins and got to 700 points" is a very, VERY different thing than "I did 25 wins while getting brutally murdered for 500+ points, and ended up at 700 points."

    I dunno, I lost to Jeff, what do I know? From their posts though it seems they have a "come and get me" attitude and that explains the lower points score. Also nobody said every match was 50 points or whatever? Also I am lost at where we are now in this thread?

    The point is that we can't make big declarative statements about what is or isn't while we are all engaging with the game in completely different ways. This person is a very casual player, and obviously that perspective is valuable, but they can't speak for others who play much more, in a much different way.

    I mean casual is as casual does? What is the definition of a casual player? He/she posted a screenshot of being top 10 which is either a jammy result based upon others being even more casual or actually a bit of effort? I again caveat with the I lost to a fish standard of my knowledge here.

    Hmm, I must be a super hardcore PvE player then...

    (Or maybe it's early in the event and the bracket will look very different at the end)

    I have no idea matey but I think you could be? I mean you said you sometimes play 100 matches in PvP? That seems pretty super hardcore to me! But...fish, etc, Yadda Yadda.

    Is playing over 10 years casual?

    Is having more 550s than the average person has characters casual?

    Is spending copious amounts of money casual?

    Is playing hundreds (plural) of PVP matches every event casual?

    Is spending more time posting on a message board about the game than a majority of the players spend playing the actual game casual?

    Is carrying vendettas and blood feuds against certain players casual?

    Is begging for nerfs until you’re blue in the face casual?

    Who’s to say?!

    I mean maybe only T10 players can be considered “hardcore”, but as a person who frequently places T3 and often T1 in PVE, I only spend like 20 minutes a day on PVE total (opening clears and closing grind). So the hardcore actually spend less time on the game funny enough (using that silly definition). So… yeah. Something something fish.

    I was waiting for you to show up! Great contributions!

  • slidecage
    slidecage Posts: 3,571 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 13 June 2025, 03:35

    how can you end top place in pve when you only play 20 mins a day if this is true then the game must really be dead

    i myself can no longer really see playing the game maybe its my gallstones talking (surgery sometime in july) but just find game lost its fun

    would ir really kill the game (not sure if something like this could even be program)

    the season vault... if you miss 3 season vaults ascended reward you get a token to a shop that gives you 1 for free

    3 stikes you earn a reward

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,994 Chairperson of the Boards

    @slidecage said:
    how can you end top place in pve when you only play 20 mins a day if this is true then the game must really be dead

    i myself can no longer really see playing the game maybe its my gallstones talking (surgery sometime in july) but just find game lost its fun

    would ir really kill the game (not sure if something like this could even be program)

    the season vault... if you miss 3 season vaults ascended reward you get a token to a shop that gives you 1 for free

    3 stikes you earn a reward

    As many as 3 strikes? You sure you can wait that long?

  • Pantera236
    Pantera236 Posts: 579 Critical Contributor

    @slidecage said:
    how can you end top place in pve when you only play 20 mins a day if this is true then the game must really be dead

    i myself can no longer really see playing the game maybe its my gallstones talking (surgery sometime in july) but just find game lost its fun

    would ir really kill the game (not sure if something like this could even be program)

    the season vault... if you miss 3 season vaults ascended reward you get a token to a shop that gives you 1 for free

    3 stikes you earn a reward

    You HAVE to only play 20 of pve to get top placement, has nothing to do with the game being dead or not though. It's just how a speed competition works.

  • slidecage
    slidecage Posts: 3,571 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 13 June 2025, 17:08

    @Pantera236 said:

    @slidecage said:
    how can you end top place in pve when you only play 20 mins a day if this is true then the game must really be dead

    i myself can no longer really see playing the game maybe its my gallstones talking (surgery sometime in july) but just find game lost its fun

    would ir really kill the game (not sure if something like this could even be program)

    the season vault... if you miss 3 season vaults ascended reward you get a token to a shop that gives you 1 for free

    3 stikes you earn a reward

    You HAVE to only play 20 of pve to get top placement, has nothing to do with the game being dead or not though. It's just how a speed competition works.

    walk me though this how can you play 30 mins a day tops and take first place in pve

    unless you have a team that wins round 0 every time i cant see this happening

    this is what less then 7 mins playing 36 rounds?

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,568 Chairperson of the Boards

    If I'm trying to place well, PvE takes me 35-40 mins (20 mins-ish opening and 15-20 closing depending on sub). I wait for a flip before I play. I finished Operation Spider Silk in 8th but that's shorter as only one wave node per day, no repeatedly required character node and only 2 easy nodes. Saved me about 6 or so minutes overall. The teams are all saved so switching is easy.

    I normally use Grocket/Juggs/Polaris (all ascended in the 470s) for the pick 3 nodes, Grocket/Polaris for the pick 2, and the EyeM4Kang cheese team for the CN. There are faster teams than that but it requires little thinking. Some nodes might benefit from switching teams if they are anti-polaris but most of the time they die quickly if you target the right character.

    Hope that helps.

  • Phumade
    Phumade Posts: 2,561 Chairperson of the Boards

    @slidecage said:

    @Pantera236 said:

    @slidecage said:
    how can you end top place in pve when you only play 20 mins a day if this is true then the game must really be dead

    i myself can no longer really see playing the game maybe its my gallstones talking (surgery sometime in july) but just find game lost its fun

    would ir really kill the game (not sure if something like this could even be program)

    the season vault... if you miss 3 season vaults ascended reward you get a token to a shop that gives you 1 for free

    3 stikes you earn a reward

    You HAVE to only play 20 of pve to get top placement, has nothing to do with the game being dead or not though. It's just how a speed competition works.

    walk me though this how can you play 30 mins a day tops and take first place in pve

    unless you have a team that wins round 0 every time i cant see this happening

    this is what less then 7 mins playing 36 rounds?

    yes its more than possible. Between the AP supports, and power creep in new chars, zero-2 turn wins are common place. expecially in the Champion node and 5* node battles.

    keep in mind. its the same accounts who are running boost week 550 combos in pvp or even faster combos like kangveil for special node siutations.

  • will7612
    will7612 Posts: 131 Tile Toppler

    Shang Chi/3Namor with 2 black, 2 blue + supports, usually with after 1 or 2 turns, even against 550/652 teams
    For pick 3, add Iron May 3

  • will7612
    will7612 Posts: 131 Tile Toppler

    For easy nodes, Polaris, Grocket and Mantis, also 1 or 2 turns

  • ArchusMonk
    ArchusMonk Posts: 223 Tile Toppler
    edited 13 June 2025, 18:01

    @slidecage said:

    @Pantera236 said:

    @slidecage said:
    how can you end top place in pve when you only play 20 mins a day if this is true then the game must really be dead

    i myself can no longer really see playing the game maybe its my gallstones talking (surgery sometime in july) but just find game lost its fun

    would ir really kill the game (not sure if something like this could even be program)

    the season vault... if you miss 3 season vaults ascended reward you get a token to a shop that gives you 1 for free

    3 stikes you earn a reward

    You HAVE to only play 20 of pve to get top placement, has nothing to do with the game being dead or not though. It's just how a speed competition works.

    walk me though this how can you play 30 mins a day tops and take first place in pve

    unless you have a team that wins round 0 every time i cant see this happening

    this is what less then 7 mins playing 36 rounds?

    Jugg / Rocket / any other for trivial nodes
    Aunt May / 5* Emma / Thanos (or essential) for all other nodes except waves and the grind for CN and high health 5e
    Your favorite away team for CN grinds
    Krakoa is a must support for Emma. Then 80% 6 AP supports help as well.

    That’ll work for most events. Wave nodes and some other factors can lengthen the process but not past 30-35 minutes total per day. A couple events can be done in under 20 minutes per day, and I’m just t5, so there are people that can do it a bit faster.

  • WilliamK1983
    WilliamK1983 Posts: 1,117 Chairperson of the Boards

    Slides shtick is wearing thin. Wants top resources from minimum playing. Doesn't work that way and he knows it. Imo, stop helping and let him walk.

  • Godzillafan67
    Godzillafan67 Posts: 671 Critical Contributor

    Stop playing for placement. Make the progress rewards the purpose for investing time in PvE and you can play your way on your time. Any placement rewards just become a free gift.

    If you compare the value of the placement rewards across the level groups, then you might become convinced that their not worth the head banging.

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,568 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Scofie said:
    If I'm trying to place well, PvE takes me 35-40 mins (20 mins-ish opening and 15-20 closing depending on sub). I wait for a flip before I play. I finished Operation Spider Silk in 8th but that's shorter as only one wave node per day, no repeatedly required character node and only 2 easy nodes. Saved me about 6 or so minutes overall. The teams are all saved so switching is easy.

    I normally use Grocket/Juggs/Polaris (all ascended in the 470s) for the pick 3 nodes, Grocket/Polaris for the pick 2, and the EyeM4Kang cheese team for the CN. There are faster teams than that but it requires little thinking. Some nodes might benefit from switching teams if they are anti-polaris but most of the time they die quickly if you target the right character.

    Hope that helps.

    Just did my end clears for TaT 1st day - 13mins 40 seconds. I was also being attacked by a mosquito at the same time so that probably added a few seconds.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,994 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Scofie said:

    @Scofie said:
    If I'm trying to place well, PvE takes me 35-40 mins (20 mins-ish opening and 15-20 closing depending on sub). I wait for a flip before I play. I finished Operation Spider Silk in 8th but that's shorter as only one wave node per day, no repeatedly required character node and only 2 easy nodes. Saved me about 6 or so minutes overall. The teams are all saved so switching is easy.

    I normally use Grocket/Juggs/Polaris (all ascended in the 470s) for the pick 3 nodes, Grocket/Polaris for the pick 2, and the EyeM4Kang cheese team for the CN. There are faster teams than that but it requires little thinking. Some nodes might benefit from switching teams if they are anti-polaris but most of the time they die quickly if you target the right character.

    Hope that helps.

    Just did my end clears for TaT 1st day - 13mins 40 seconds. I was also being attacked by a mosquito at the same time so that probably added a few seconds.

    We are getting mosquito's in the new engine as NPC enemies?!?!?

  • Inarius
    Inarius Posts: 142 Tile Toppler

    What about one of dem arena style gameplays like you have in hearthstone, that's separate from the normal PVP so that the uh-uh whales can still dunk on the fish, where you're given 3 random 4* or 5* (depending on the bracket choice) and 3 random supports and each round you win you can choose to either reroll the supports or level them up.

    I'm pretty sure others can come up with better additions but at least this will break the stagnation.