New Character - Moonstone (Meteorite) 4*

@LavaManLee said:
It's a winfinite. But it is a sloooowwww winfinite. You don't even need to bring anybody really special. Although someone who hits hard with black would be nice. As long as you can stand the length of match, you will definitely win.

Dark Beast was who I thought of when I read this.

In her pvp event, I just paired her with ascended Namor...

Then I rotated whatever 5 I felt like using as the stick.

-Do whatever you need to start with some yellow
-use Karla yellow to match black
-use Namor black to drop a crit wherever you want.
-maybe fantasicar for extra matches from your damage pick.
-repeat until done

I was being careful with my placement of black though. For example, if I couldn't make multiple black matches from one use of yellow, I would make one black match and place additional black (instead of trying to get a match 4) In a place to set up black for the next use of yellow.

And I had a really good use for black on demand.

I never ran out of black on the board.

I wasn't using 5X though... To be honest, I saw the suggestion and ignored it because it seemed counter productive to Moonstone.

X does extra damage on match 4... You don't want to do that with her yellow though. You want to make as many match 3's as you can to get more yellow back from the black matches.

If you're trying to get 4's you're not only destroying other black tiles, you're getting back less yellow than you should be getting... Meaning you're losing out on both black and yellow AP to keep the turn going.

Anyone wanting to use Xavier can feel free to do so...I just don't see him being very efficient if you're building around Moonstone.

In conclusion: yes, Karla provides Charles with an option for match 4's... So Charles might enjoy her company... But Karla has no interest in what Charles has to offer... Because she has other plans entirely.

@Daniel2121 said:

@LavaManLee said:
It's a winfinite. But it is a sloooowwww winfinite. You don't even need to bring anybody really special. Although someone who hits hard with black would be nice. As long as you can stand the length of match, you will definitely win.

I mean... it's not even a slow winfinite. It gets bogged down.

It's EXTREMELY slow when the ball gets rolling, but then eventually the ball stops rolling completely.

5* Xavier destroys the black tiles passively. You can do nothing about it. If you run out of basic black tiles on the board, you better have tons of yellow AP so that you can use Play the Hero several times over. Sometimes, I did run out of black tiles AND yellow AP in this situation. Not a good time definitely.

I tried bringing Domino into the team. Did not run out of black tiles... but did run out of yellow AP.

I tried bringing 5* Kamala... didn't run out of yellow AP but did run out of black tiles.

Pick your poison on this one.

I already addressed Xavier so I won't repeat it.

You don't need dominoe because you can make black with Karla... Just stop making match 4's.

I have no idea what Khan would do for this character. Please tell me the thought process behind it so I understand because I'm curious.

@Blackstone said:

@Daniel2121 said:

@LavaManLee said:
It's a winfinite. But it is a sloooowwww winfinite. You don't even need to bring anybody really special. Although someone who hits hard with black would be nice. As long as you can stand the length of match, you will definitely win.

I mean... it's not even a slow winfinite. It gets bogged down.

It's EXTREMELY slow when the ball gets rolling, but then eventually the ball stops rolling completely.

5* Xavier destroys the black tiles passively. You can do nothing about it. If you run out of basic black tiles on the board, you better have tons of yellow AP so that you can use Play the Hero several times over. Sometimes, I did run out of black tiles AND yellow AP in this situation. Not a good time definitely.

I tried bringing Domino into the team. Did not run out of black tiles... but did run out of yellow AP.

I tried bringing 5* Kamala... didn't run out of yellow AP but did run out of black tiles.

Pick your poison on this one.

I already addressed Xavier so I won't repeat it.

You don't need dominoe because you can make black with Karla... Just stop making match 4's.

I have no idea what Khan would do for this character. Please tell me the thought process behind it so I understand because I'm curious.

Kamala feeds her yellow AP because on her own Karla runs out of it eventually. Her getting 2 yellow AP from black matches isn't enough. She gets going for a while but eventually expends her yellow AP so the whole "winfinite" stops.

@Daniel2121 said:

@Blackstone said:

@Daniel2121 said:

@LavaManLee said:
It's a winfinite. But it is a sloooowwww winfinite. You don't even need to bring anybody really special. Although someone who hits hard with black would be nice. As long as you can stand the length of match, you will definitely win.

I mean... it's not even a slow winfinite. It gets bogged down.

It's EXTREMELY slow when the ball gets rolling, but then eventually the ball stops rolling completely.

5* Xavier destroys the black tiles passively. You can do nothing about it. If you run out of basic black tiles on the board, you better have tons of yellow AP so that you can use Play the Hero several times over. Sometimes, I did run out of black tiles AND yellow AP in this situation. Not a good time definitely.

I tried bringing Domino into the team. Did not run out of black tiles... but did run out of yellow AP.

I tried bringing 5* Kamala... didn't run out of yellow AP but did run out of black tiles.

Pick your poison on this one.

I already addressed Xavier so I won't repeat it.

You don't need dominoe because you can make black with Karla... Just stop making match 4's.

I have no idea what Khan would do for this character. Please tell me the thought process behind it so I understand because I'm curious.

Kamala feeds her yellow AP because on her own Karla runs out of it eventually. Her getting 2 yellow AP from black matches isn't enough. She gets going for a while but eventually expends her yellow AP so the whole "winfinite" stops.

I forgot about Khan doing the random AP gen thing.

I still don't see the need. Just use Moonstone yellow then Namor black can help get whatever color you need while also providing damage to down enemies buy increasing match damage.

Moonstone. Ascended Namor, and third can be anyone boosted/5.

Maybe I just got lucky repeatedly with her.

But I still think pairing her with Xavier is a waste that actively handicaps her.

@entrailbucket said:

@Daniel2121 said:

@entrailbucket said:
With any infinite team, you need a way to actually kill the enemy. The first one (and the only team that actually gets the name "winfinite" in my book!) used Mystique black as a finisher. Charlie's Angels used Sniper Rifle or Reality Crush.

Maybe the Polaris teams can just depend on her passive if she's big enough, but Polaris is such an outlier in so many ways. I suppose m'Thor also goes infinite by herself and kills you by herself.

But with Moonstone she's going to need help. Yes she can make infinite black AP, but after awhile you're going to run out of steam. You need some way to convert black AP to damage, or just to convert cascades to damage, somehow.

I'm not having trouble at making some damage off 5-matches, Xavier does that.

I'm having trouble at keeping this "winfinite" going. Either the yellow AP runs out, or the black tiles, or both.

4* Xavier also has the additional problem of spawning SAP tiles that you don't really want because Play the Hero can't convert those SAPs into black tiles.

Also the "Charlie's Angels" winfinite had actually kind of the same problem. Sometimes 3* Wanda doesn't place her blue countdown correctly so you don't get the cascade nor the sufficient purple AP for 3* BW to keep going.

Yeah, I mean...the infinite part of all the older teams sorta naturally ran out when everybody's dead. The 2* mags one and the SW one both had the problem you're talking about, but in general you'd kill everyone before then.

You need a way to convert black AP or cascades into damage, at a decent rate. PX (either) just doesn't hit hard enough to get through today's health pools.

Black AP into damage? How about 4* Logan's black.
At level 5, it even gets the AP off the tiles he smashes, too. So if the enemy team's most abundant color happens to be yellow... he gets all that yellow AP back.

Pereonally though, I would like a reliable way to convert black AP into yellow AP so that Karla keeps her yellow power spam.

I like the character. I'm moving on from this conversation. Best of luck to all that have questions/concerns, It just feels redundant at this point

@Tiger_Wong said:
Ok….. if you have 5* Winter Soldier, 1Yelena5 and just a sungle yellow cover of the new moonstone, try them out. The synergy is awesome.

I am a bit amused about people arguing over who to use with Meteorite when 5WS is right there and she amplifies thunderbolts damage and he’s his own ally.

Anyway I had no problem executing winfinites with them and 3 Namor along. And the dmg got pretty big. But I also have a champed 5WS already.

@bluewolf said:

@Tiger_Wong said:
Ok….. if you have 5* Winter Soldier, 1Yelena5 and just a sungle yellow cover of the new moonstone, try them out. The synergy is awesome.

I am a bit amused about people arguing over who to use with Meteorite when 5WS is right there and she amplifies thunderbolts damage and he’s his own ally.

Anyway I had no problem executing winfinites with them and 3 Namor along. And the dmg got pretty big. But I also have a champed 5WS already.

Not everybody has him yet, I guess, or has him big enough to do something with.

Also I think Moonstone is from the old school of infinites (take infinite turns but are very slow), and lately we've gotten a bunch of characters that go infinite while doing really big damage, really quickly.

@PiMacleod said:

@Daniel2121 said:

@Blackstone said:
I like the character. I'm moving on from this conversation. Best of luck to all that have questions/concerns, It just feels redundant at this point

No problem.

Here is the actual winfinite (thanks to PiMacleod on Youtube)

4* Xavier 5/5/3 with Korg support
4* Moonstone
5* Kamala with Krakoa support.

Make 5-matches with Moonstone's yellow. 4* Xavier gives the yellow AP and some damage. His yellow is to be kept at level 3 so that it only spawns a single protect each time Play the Hero is used. This way the board doesn't get filled with SAP's as much (it becomes manageable).

5* Kamala is not strictly needed in the team but you do need a mutant with yellow as his/her strongest color (so that Xavier's blue passive gives you the yellow AP needed)

I replaced Kamala here wirh both 4* and 5* Wolverine, both work no problem, both have a black nuke to let out some of that black AP and translate it into damage.

I've JUST now gotten to catch up on this chat. I'm not on the forums as much as I am on Reddit, or even Discord. ...and I'm also trying to be a "good boy" and keep to my actual paying career work... but that's a whole 'nother issue.

Thanks @Daniel2121 for the call out/reference/etc.

And thanks for reiterating the reasonings for the different uses here as well. I totally agree that its not the quickest Winfinite -- its just so super safe, and with Mirror Image, it also means a lack of invisibility tiles/Eros tiles/Pestilance Spores/pick your poison that survives the multitudes of casts you're gonna do. I used 4Chuck with that 5 in yellow only because I was using 5Kamala for that strong Yellow match damage, and figured all those tiles would be put to good use with Kamala's passive damage output. It did not disappoint.

That said, I also agree to all of the other stuff in here -- it's slow, definitely. There are so many other powerful uses for Moonstone. There are other black powers that do crazy cool things here.

I just couldn't find too many others that guaranteed me the AP to keep going, let me remove all enemy obstacles consistently, provided guaranteed AP to start ready-to-go (not relying on percentage chances of getting that AP), and could do all of this turn 1 against any team (Chasm as an exception, because, duh).

...plus, I had a bit of fun making that short. I usually don't make shorts of that type, but the team was put through the ringer (by yours truly), and I was not only proud of the outcome, but also proud to say that it can be made of all 4s (no 5s necessary), as long as you can guarantee that 3rd person is yellow-strongest, and can equip Krakoa without overlapping too many of 4Chuck's affiliations. If anything is the hardest pre-req, its that 4Chuck NEEDS a support (like Korg) that brings his yellow to his strongest, so that Krakoa can do its job appropriately on the 3rd character.

Complicated setup... but this is why I dont think Moonstone will be nerfed either. Its very specific, very fragile, and isn't "brainless". Plus, it doesn't really work on defense, so there's that too... easy to pound it into the ground. ...then you can just do it again! lol

Hey! You were here in the forums as well. I was remembering that part well then haha... yeah I sometimes sleep on the forum too, what can I say.

But yeah, it works... I just got confused on Xavier because of some other Youtube vid where Moonstone was teamed up with 5* Xavier, as you can see how THAT worked out for me, it just didn't, no matter how much I tried.

Since you said Kamala isn't necessary for the winfinite to work, I went ahead and replaced her with Logan... I tried out OML first, his black ability is really nice for the damage, but he shreds his own health every now and then, I didn't feel like spending lots of health packs so I turned him down... replaced him with 4* Wolverine, I liked him much better, doesn't destroy his own health plus has some board shake with his black and his green so... more utility for me imho. It's a way to remove the SAPs that Xavier will be pumping out, so that's good as well