New Character - Moonstone (Meteorite) 4*

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  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,087 Chairperson of the Boards

    Ok….. if you have 5* Winter Soldier, 1Yelena5 and just a sungle yellow cover of the new moonstone, try them out. The synergy is awesome.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 688 Critical Contributor

    I pocket belly ate Ascended Juggs and Flaptain with Goose for fun. You can also consider May5, you generate AP really fast and can dump it all in to her red.

    So far the the best defense against her looks to be Mephisto5, he broke the board in away that I couldn't throw any powers or move anything, and had to retreat...nice.

    I believe we finally found the new player to easily shut down Red Chasm in a safe healthy way. His countdown is always black :smiley:

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,630 Chairperson of the Boards

    She's pretty fun as the 3rd in the m'baku namor team -- the enemy never gets a turn.

  • will7612
    will7612 Posts: 129 Tile Toppler

    @Batjester said:
    Winter Soldier 5 +Namor 3 + Moonstone = profit.

    Could it become the next Sidewinder????

    NERF incoming?????

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 688 Critical Contributor

    She has zero defensive threat, so probably not. She is absolutely too good, but I think I'd rather they not completely neuter this one like ugly ol snakeman though. I think they made him so much worse because they were annoyed at by all of the complaints.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,630 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    She has zero defensive threat, so probably not. She is absolutely too good, but I think I'd rather they not completely neuter this one like ugly ol snakeman though. I think they made him so much worse because they were annoyed at by all of the complaints.

    I ascended Sidewinder and he's not even bad. He's nowhere near what he was (and...good!) but he seemed perfectly serviceable.

    I've been messing around with Moonstone teams and there are a ton that work, but I still feel like I haven't broken her quite yet. One issue I keep running into is that she can only use Vintage Shield out of the yellow generating supports.

    I did find an absolutely hilarious team with Taskmaster -- anybody remember that his black ability can become Sniper Rifle? Give him Copter, Winter Soldier Fantasticar and Moonstone Vintage Shield. Boost +2 yellow and you win turn 0 against anything...but it's still too slow.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    As long as she's a zero on defense, she isn't broken.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 688 Critical Contributor

    I didn't say he was bad, though he has become a mostly useless gimmick (failed leapfrog, that's kinda him now).

    While we're on the topic of unfortunate: Kang's passive does not stop Moonstone from draining (swapping) the matched colors of her passive. Same goes for Sidewinder, go figure.

    To start her with yellow AP just use a yellow mutant with Krakoa, she does incredibly well with Emma3 or Darkveil. Use Lucky on one of the others and the strikes pop off because you can constantly match your strongest colors.

    Still not faster than Kang or May tho.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,630 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    I didn't say he was bad, though he has become a mostly useless gimmick (failed leapfrog, that's kinda him now).

    While we're on the topic of unfortunate: Kang's passive does not stop Moonstone from draining (swapping) the matched colors of her passive. Same goes for Sidewinder, go figure.

    To start her with yellow AP just use a yellow mutant with Krakoa, she does incredibly well with Emma3 or Darkveil. Use Lucky on one of the others and the strikes pop off because you can constantly match your strongest colors.

    Still not faster than Kang or May tho.

    Ah sorry, I was just non sequitur-ing, you mentioned him and I figured I'd correct the record. His TU passive isn't bad at 5* + plus the boost, and his other stuff was never bad, just weak at 4*.

    Kang is weird about what he cares about. I suspect they have these things coded in bizarre ways.

    Krakoa can only start you with 4, and she needs 5. Sanctum Sanctorum gives 6 but can only go on heroes.

    I still think there's something here, I just can't quite find it. Maybe the best we get is the Namor/M'baku team (which is good, but Chasm is probably better as the third, since he denies an enemy turn and can carry Tinkerer).

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 695 Critical Contributor

    She's good. Great even... But she doesn't dethrone anyone else that is currently "must have to be competitive" so the possible winfinite is mostly irrelevant.

    She achieves a goal (easily, yes) but there are others that achieve the same goal faster. And she's vulnerable on defense.

    All things considered, I'd say she actually very balanced...

    Before anyone blasts nlme for saying that...

    Her balance comes from comparison to characters that are playable. You don't need to be shy about using her if you want to be effective, but no one else that's effective is rendered obsolete or even "not with picking because you may need to face Dr. Sofen".

    It's just my opinion, but I think she's perfectly balanced for the current state of the game and adds an option to change up playable teams to new teams that were previously not worth selecting without hurting the use of current top teams. Which seems like a great place to be.

    Of course, I could be biased because I'm an OG Thunderbolts fan... And there could be a combination that renders everything I just typed irrelevant. For now though, I'm stoked about her... Just need to fix that tiny kitty arm.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,630 Chairperson of the Boards

    After what's probably an unhealthy amount of testing with her, I don't think there's a turn0 team that's fast enough to compete with any of the fastest teams now. There are a few teams that can reliably win turn0 against enemies of any level, though (try Dark Beast!).

    She's basically a female Shang-Chi, but the version of him that exists if there's no m'Thor or other passive cascade engines. That's pretty good!

    I don't love all the infinite/beat-anything stuff they're putting in the game, but there's enough of them now that one more won't make a difference, I guess. She's also hard-countered by anyone who punishes active abilities (Dr Strange etc).

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,630 Chairperson of the Boards

    Fwiw Winter Soldier is just completely insane with her, and I think he might be very good in general.

    If you maxed out the ascended 1*, Black Widow, Juggernaut, Venom and Yelena are all Thunderbolts, so they all work well with both WS and Moonstone.

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 695 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket said:
    Fwiw Winter Soldier is just completely insane with her, and I think he might be very good in general.

    If you maxed out the ascended 1*, Black Widow, Juggernaut, Venom and Yelena are all Thunderbolts, so they all work well with both WS and Moonstone.

    A lot were just added as Thunderbolts.

    I had checked when WS5 released... Even specifically checked red guardian due to a separate conversation. He wasn't affiliated in game nor many others.

    Now there are a lot more coming up when searching.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,630 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Blackstone said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Fwiw Winter Soldier is just completely insane with her, and I think he might be very good in general.

    If you maxed out the ascended 1*, Black Widow, Juggernaut, Venom and Yelena are all Thunderbolts, so they all work well with both WS and Moonstone.

    A lot were just added as Thunderbolts.

    I had checked when WS5 released... Even specifically checked red guardian due to a separate conversation. He wasn't affiliated in game nor many others.

    Now there are a lot more coming up when searching.

    Moonstone can do her infinite thing without teammates, but her team buff is really big, and stacked with Winter Soldier's passive, things get crazy fast. They'll make a good pick-2 team when she's ascended -- you don't even have to use her infinite power.

    But the fact that most of the 1* are Thunderbolts is a huge deal for both of them. Guaranteeing a boosted character with that affiliation every single week means that either will have a 672 partner to buff. I'm not sure if folks will bother, but the Thunderbolts team could be a thing.

  • liminal_lad
    liminal_lad Posts: 493 Mover and Shaker

    Are there retro rewards right now if you have a 4* Sentry? Are people still getting Moonstone 4* shards if he’s been ascended?

  • Bzhai
    Bzhai Posts: 558 Critical Contributor

    @liminal_lad said:
    Are there retro rewards right now if you have a 4* Sentry? Are people still getting Moonstone 4* shards if he’s been ascended?

    Yes, but he stops giving shards after lvl 302.

  • liminal_lad
    liminal_lad Posts: 493 Mover and Shaker
    edited 18 May 2025, 13:46

    @Bzhai said:

    @liminal_lad said:
    Are there retro rewards right now if you have a 4* Sentry? Are people still getting Moonstone 4* shards if he’s been ascended?

    Yes, but he stops giving shards after lvl 302.

    Thank you! That helps me decide whether or not to ascend my not quite Max/Max Sentry.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,092 Chairperson of the Boards

    @liminal_lad said:

    @Bzhai said:

    @liminal_lad said:
    Are there retro rewards right now if you have a 4* Sentry? Are people still getting Moonstone 4* shards if he’s been ascended?

    Yes, but he stops giving shards after lvl 302.

    Thank you! That helps me decide whether or not to ascend my not quite Max/Max Sentry.

    The best time to ascend a character who isn’t max-max is around retro feeder time (or when they’re boosted and you’ll use them that week). Depending on your dupe level it might be worth it to you to go for it.
    The retro rewards are supposed to end after 4 days but might extend a bit for whatever reason without explanation.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,774 Chairperson of the Boards

    If I like who they feed I go Max-300. If I don't like who they feed I go Max-271.

    There are very few older 5's even worth putting investment into when the 4 is going to outperform them after being ascended.

    Case in point Mordo is a monster when he is boosted and can be a wrecking ball, but getting a few extra covers for Strange does next to nothing.

  • Daniel2121
    Daniel2121 Posts: 233 Tile Toppler

    A lot of people out there saying she brought up a new winfinite with 5* Xavier.

    Tried it out. It was slow asf and gets bogged down by Xavier's own passive off a match-5. When making black match-5s, he destroys black tiles, which makes it potentially counterproductive when you needed to make your next black match-5 off a black tile that was just destroyed by him.

    I then tried swapping 5* Xavier with his 4* version. A different problem arose - 4* Xavier clutters the board with specials that you don't want.

    I'm kind of disappointed. It wasn't a true, proven, solid winfinite like the Polaris BRB one. Of course that's not enough for me to dismiss her as useless, but. The disappointment is sorta there.

    Just my 5 cents.

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