Daredevil (King of the Fist) 4*

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@revskip said:

@entrailbucket said:
He's actually not even bad. The match damage thing remains dumb but his stun is killer and it's on a color that never stuns and rarely does anything good. The party buff is good too. A couple little tweaks and he'd be a murderer but I was pretty satisfied with his performance in his PvP.

Agree. Usually in their first PvP with them baby champed I never CHOOSE to use a power from their set. In this one I found myself actively choosing his yellow over the AOE on OML. That stun is really useful and the traps go off all the time. I'd like to see what he looks like ascended but he is definitely not the DOA guy folks are making him out to be.

I will never, ever learn. Seriously, before deciding a guy sucks I need to use them, a lot, in an actual competitive event. And I need to stop focusing on whatever "interesting" or new thing they're doing, and remember that basic stuff is plenty good if it's done well.

I've said this before, to myself and to others! Why do I keep doing it?

He really only looks bad if you are trying to use him in a match damage team (ie Sidewinder).

I was using the loaner with a Sidewinder team and the 50% reduction was really awful. But once I used my shards to get his Red to 5 covers, the 25% was annoying but not so much as to prevent a Sidewinder team from being viable. Other match damage teams probably can't tolerate that loss but Sidewinder can.

As you noted, the Yellow stun is quite useful (I only have his Yellow at 3 covers right now) in the same way 4 star Gamora's is. On active power teams (I swapped to BrB/Polaris) where you fire powers cheaply he plays much better than expected with the traps and I imagine with a damage booster would be a fairly solid option.

KGB

Well...I was using him with Mephisto and lvl672 Coulson (so another active power spammer + a guy who drops ~150k in CD tiles every time you cast something), but Daredevil himself proved really useful. I had two good stuns with him and Mephisto so it was relatively easy to just stunlock the whole enemy team. And the 30% health buff gets pretty crazy when your guys have 400k+ HP.

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@revskip said:

@entrailbucket said:
He's actually not even bad. The match damage thing remains dumb but his stun is killer and it's on a color that never stuns and rarely does anything good. The party buff is good too. A couple little tweaks and he'd be a murderer but I was pretty satisfied with his performance in his PvP.

Agree. Usually in their first PvP with them baby champed I never CHOOSE to use a power from their set. In this one I found myself actively choosing his yellow over the AOE on OML. That stun is really useful and the traps go off all the time. I'd like to see what he looks like ascended but he is definitely not the DOA guy folks are making him out to be.

I will never, ever learn. Seriously, before deciding a guy sucks I need to use them, a lot, in an actual competitive event. And I need to stop focusing on whatever "interesting" or new thing they're doing, and remember that basic stuff is plenty good if it's done well.

I've said this before, to myself and to others! Why do I keep doing it?

He really only looks bad if you are trying to use him in a match damage team (ie Sidewinder).

I was using the loaner with a Sidewinder team and the 50% reduction was really awful. But once I used my shards to get his Red to 5 covers, the 25% was annoying but not so much as to prevent a Sidewinder team from being viable. Other match damage teams probably can't tolerate that loss but Sidewinder can.

As you noted, the Yellow stun is quite useful (I only have his Yellow at 3 covers right now) in the same way 4 star Gamora's is. On active power teams (I swapped to BrB/Polaris) where you fire powers cheaply he plays much better than expected with the traps and I imagine with a damage booster would be a fairly solid option.

KGB

Well...I was using him with Mephisto and lvl672 Coulson (so another active power spammer + a guy who drops ~150k in CD tiles every time you cast something), but Daredevil himself proved really useful. I had two good stuns with him and Mephisto so it was relatively easy to just stunlock the whole enemy team. And the 30% health buff gets pretty crazy when your guys have 400k+ HP.

I was using mephisto and 1a5 juggernaut. Jugg had over 800k hp with the boost.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion even when they are wrong

@rainkingucd said:

@ThisisClemFandango said:
Everyone's entitled to their opinion even when they are wrong

You're wrong to think that

Look I'm the kind of guy who does things and doesn't show any regret and definitely never apologizes.
I'm sorry but that's just who I am

@entrailbucket said:
@Blackstone I actually ran his red at 3 (5/5/3) and it was noticeable but not unusable. Obviously yellow needs to be 5, but with the huge health pools I was running, I found the purple buff to be more valuable. Also the team I was running was much more focused on active powers and passives vs match damage.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's "meta." All the reasons you posted are good reasons to use one of those guys over him.

But there's a pretty sizable gulf between "meta" and "complete trash." He's somewhere in the middle, maybe just a bit better if you build around him to play to his strengths.

You keep mentioning using him with Mephisto. I've done that... And the pairing results in red matches not working. Maybe others are having a different experience with him. I simply haven't had the experience you seem to be having.

I don't think he's absolute trash, I just don't think he's worth using.

My Mephisto is only around level 500, so the only way I could compete in DD's PvP was with a stun lock team. It worked, but it also took forever. I didn't find him fun.

@WhiteBomber, thank you thank you, pleasure to be a part of this illustrious forum and it's glorious people.