A Thought Experiment

entrailbucket

I've used this before but it's been awhile.

If they offered an option to skip an event completely (PvP or PvE) and get all rewards, but it meant that you couldn't play that event at all, how often would you skip events?

The fine print (because I know where you're going to push back): the cost is minimal, let's say 50 HP. You'd earn all the rewards you customarily get, including both progression and your customary placement. You'd meet whatever your alliance minimum is, and your alliance placement would not change.

Would you continue to play every event as you do now? Would you just skip certain ones that you didn't find fun? Or would you skip every single event? Be honest with yourself. If you'd skip every single event, what would you be using the rewards for?

LuxAurae

You would have to remove all the extra’s you added on to it to make it a real thought experiment. If it kept all rewards and placement and alliance score and and and.. what’s the point of even playing at that point? You remove the risk of missing a node and guarantee all rewards? What about other players? Can we all be top 5 or t10 by choosing autowin?

There needs to be a trade off. What if it’s just green check all nodes? So max progression + node rewards? Would give mediocre placement but in a wide enough band for many to do it and some alliance score. And there would still be an incentive to play to place higher?

I would consider that while on vacation.

Thank you for the thought experiment.

entrailbucket

@LuxAurae said:
You would have to remove all the extra’s you added on to it to make it a real thought experiment. If it kept all rewards and placement and alliance score and and and.. what’s the point of even playing at that point? You remove the risk of missing a node and guarantee all rewards? What about other players? Can we all be top 5 or t10 by choosing autowin?

There needs to be a trade off. What if it’s just green check all nodes? So max progression + node rewards? Would give mediocre placement but in a wide enough band for many to do it and some alliance score. And there would still be an incentive to play to place higher?

I would consider that while on vacation.

Thank you for the thought experiment.

Nope, this is a fantasy land where all those things are guaranteed. Obviously they'd never do this, but that's not what we're thinking about.

Assuming you get all the same stuff you get now, keep the same alliance placement, minimums, whatever, would you choose to skip all or most events or play them? There is no incentive to play to place higher, in fact, choosing to play could potentially cost you rewards if you mess up.

LuxAurae

@entrailbucket said:

@LuxAurae said:
You would have to remove all the extra’s you added on to it to make it a real thought experiment. If it kept all rewards and placement and alliance score and and and.. what’s the point of even playing at that point? You remove the risk of missing a node and guarantee all rewards? What about other players? Can we all be top 5 or t10 by choosing autowin?

There needs to be a trade off. What if it’s just green check all nodes? So max progression + node rewards? Would give mediocre placement but in a wide enough band for many to do it and some alliance score. And there would still be an incentive to play to place higher?

I would consider that while on vacation.

Thank you for the thought experiment.

Nope, this is a fantasy land where all those things are guaranteed. Obviously they'd never do this, but that's not what we're thinking about.

Assuming you get all the same stuff you get now, keep the same alliance placement, minimums, whatever, would you choose to skip all or most events or play them? There is no incentive to play to place higher, in fact, choosing to play could potentially cost you rewards if you mess up.

Then it’s not a question. Everyone takes the rewards and plays the rest of the content. People eventually get bored of the idle game and start missing days. Etc.. slow death.

No,

Thank you.

entrailbucket

@LuxAurae said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LuxAurae said:
You would have to remove all the extra’s you added on to it to make it a real thought experiment. If it kept all rewards and placement and alliance score and and and.. what’s the point of even playing at that point? You remove the risk of missing a node and guarantee all rewards? What about other players? Can we all be top 5 or t10 by choosing autowin?

There needs to be a trade off. What if it’s just green check all nodes? So max progression + node rewards? Would give mediocre placement but in a wide enough band for many to do it and some alliance score. And there would still be an incentive to play to place higher?

I would consider that while on vacation.

Thank you for the thought experiment.

Nope, this is a fantasy land where all those things are guaranteed. Obviously they'd never do this, but that's not what we're thinking about.

Assuming you get all the same stuff you get now, keep the same alliance placement, minimums, whatever, would you choose to skip all or most events or play them? There is no incentive to play to place higher, in fact, choosing to play could potentially cost you rewards if you mess up.

Then it’s not a question. Everyone takes the rewards and plays the rest of the content. People eventually get bored of the idle game and start missing days. Etc.. slow death.

No,

Thank you.

If everyone would just take the rewards then the game is already dead, and I'm not being hyperbolic. Just shut it down now, because nobody will miss it.

I do think that many of the most vocal veterans currently would skip most or all events, because they view the match-3 parts of the game as an annoying distraction from the "getting rewards" part that they actually like.

The problem is that all those rewards you get can only be used to play the game. They're not giving away tropical vacations or new washer/dryers, they're giving away tokens and ISO and HP that you use to build characters whose only value is playing MPQ. If you don't enjoy the match-3 stuff, why do you even want the rewards?

I would skip no events (ok, maybe a handful of the worst PvPs with awful boost lists), because I enjoy playing the game. I want rewards, because I want to level up characters, so that I can use them to play the match-3 game that I enjoy playing. Being forced to skip an event would actually be a massive downside to me, and I can't understand how it could be an upside for anyone else.

kuntilanak

This may only makes sense if one can skip by paying maybe 2k HP and just gets progression rewards. One can only get more rewards by actually playing. If not, the game may actually collapse...

ThisisClemFandango

Why would you skip parts of the game to get rewards for a game you aren't really playing?
So my answer is no, seems counter productive.

KGB

I wouldn't skip whole events because I like matching gems.

But lets say there was a button to auto-win specific battles (like say a PvP team I hate facing) and get the reward you can bet I'd mash that button every time.

KGB

entrailbucket

@kuntilanak said:
This may only makes sense if one can skip by paying maybe 2k HP and just gets progression rewards. One can only get more rewards by actually playing. If not, the game may actually collapse...

If this would cause the game to collapse, then it is already dead.

Being locked out of playing the game should be seen as a huge downside, not an upside that you should have to pay for!

BriMan2222

I would skip events just when I'm on vacation and too busy to play, or maybe if the boost list is particularly terrible

Borstock

Do I still have to login? Could I let the game accumulate rewards for 4 months and come back to a pile of loot? I might do that.

entrailbucket

@Borstock said:
Do I still have to login? Could I let the game accumulate rewards for 4 months and come back to a pile of loot? I might do that.

Would you actually come back and play? Why only wait 4 months?

Borstock

@entrailbucket said:

@Borstock said:
Do I still have to login? Could I let the game accumulate rewards for 4 months and come back to a pile of loot? I might do that.

Would you actually come back and play? Why only wait 4 months?

Yes. I'd imagine it will be a more stable game at that point.

I chose four months because I have all 3 Latest Legends champed, plus the next one. Do you actually play the game or do you spend all your time here?

entrailbucket

@Borstock said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Borstock said:
Do I still have to login? Could I let the game accumulate rewards for 4 months and come back to a pile of loot? I might do that.

Would you actually come back and play? Why only wait 4 months?

Yes. I'd imagine it will be a more stable game at that point.

I chose four months because I have all 3 Latest Legends champed, plus the next one. Do you actually play the game or do you spend all your time here?

How much time can you even spend playing this game? I'd spend a lot more time on it if they gave us more than one PvE at a time!

Blazpheme

Interesting.

How often would I use this 'skip' feature? I would honestly say rarely.

The one area of concern I have against activating a 'skip' (as defined above) is the lockout factor - not being able to play the event at all. This aspect could potentially leave me high and dry if a random daily event quest pops up and says "Win missions 15 times with someone I don't have levelled up too good".

Because even if I am not currently playing an event, I can always hop into an active one and drag So-and-So through the level 80 opening nodes a bunch of times real quick and knock those out for them precious points. But if I can't access events at all, I might get stuck with limited options on how I can grind out those 15 with a 3-star Psylocke or something. And I'd just rather not take that chance.

Besides, I'm okay with missing out on stuff if I don't play enough. It's all just for fun anyway. So I would have to either really want the swag, or I'm just not in the mood to deal with whatever bogusness is needed to obtain said swag. I mean, it would definitely be hard to resist 'skipping' a Simulator event, so I absolutely would use it. I would just probably only use it sparingly.

DAZ0273

@KGB said:
I wouldn't skip whole events because I like matching gems.

But lets say there was a button to auto-win specific battles (like say a PvP team I hate facing) and get the reward you can bet I'd mash that button every time.

KGB

Isn't that just called Whales, Whales. Whales?

KGB

@DAZ0273 said:

@KGB said:
I wouldn't skip whole events because I like matching gems.

But lets say there was a button to auto-win specific battles (like say a PvP team I hate facing) and get the reward you can bet I'd mash that button every time.

KGB

Isn't that just called Whales, Whales. Whales?

It is only faster (no need for TU/3Pool plus collecting the necessary TU/Purple to fire it).

There is a hidden benefit of this too. No more meta teams on defense since the insta-win button would get mashed to oblivion rendering meta teams with countless losses so people would stop leaving them out on defense

KGB

entrailbucket

@Blazpheme said:
Interesting.

How often would I use this 'skip' feature? I would honestly say rarely.

The one area of concern I have against activating a 'skip' (as defined above) is the lockout factor - not being able to play the event at all. This aspect could potentially leave me high and dry if a random daily event quest pops up and says "Win missions 15 times with someone I don't have levelled up too good".

Because even if I am not currently playing an event, I can always hop into an active one and drag So-and-So through the level 80 opening nodes a bunch of times real quick and knock those out for them precious points. But if I can't access events at all, I might get stuck with limited options on how I can grind out those 15 with a 3-star Psylocke or something. And I'd just rather not take that chance.

Besides, I'm okay with missing out on stuff if I don't play enough. It's all just for fun anyway. So I would have to either really want the swag, or I'm just not in the mood to deal with whatever bogusness is needed to obtain said swag. I mean, it would definitely be hard to resist 'skipping' a Simulator event, so I absolutely would use it. I would just probably only use it sparingly.

Good point, I missed one there. The skip button will also fully complete any quests that happen during the events you skip. You won't miss out on any rewards of any kind by skipping an event.

DAZ0273

@entrailbucket said:

@Blazpheme said:
Interesting.

How often would I use this 'skip' feature? I would honestly say rarely.

The one area of concern I have against activating a 'skip' (as defined above) is the lockout factor - not being able to play the event at all. This aspect could potentially leave me high and dry if a random daily event quest pops up and says "Win missions 15 times with someone I don't have levelled up too good".

Because even if I am not currently playing an event, I can always hop into an active one and drag So-and-So through the level 80 opening nodes a bunch of times real quick and knock those out for them precious points. But if I can't access events at all, I might get stuck with limited options on how I can grind out those 15 with a 3-star Psylocke or something. And I'd just rather not take that chance.

Besides, I'm okay with missing out on stuff if I don't play enough. It's all just for fun anyway. So I would have to either really want the swag, or I'm just not in the mood to deal with whatever bogusness is needed to obtain said swag. I mean, it would definitely be hard to resist 'skipping' a Simulator event, so I absolutely would use it. I would just probably only use it sparingly.

Good point, I missed one there. The skip button will also fully complete any quests that happen during the events you skip. You won't miss out on any rewards of any kind by skipping an event.

Sarcasm sense tingling...

KGB

@entrailbucket said:

@Blazpheme said:
Interesting.

How often would I use this 'skip' feature? I would honestly say rarely.

The one area of concern I have against activating a 'skip' (as defined above) is the lockout factor - not being able to play the event at all. This aspect could potentially leave me high and dry if a random daily event quest pops up and says "Win missions 15 times with someone I don't have levelled up too good".

Because even if I am not currently playing an event, I can always hop into an active one and drag So-and-So through the level 80 opening nodes a bunch of times real quick and knock those out for them precious points. But if I can't access events at all, I might get stuck with limited options on how I can grind out those 15 with a 3-star Psylocke or something. And I'd just rather not take that chance.

Besides, I'm okay with missing out on stuff if I don't play enough. It's all just for fun anyway. So I would have to either really want the swag, or I'm just not in the mood to deal with whatever bogusness is needed to obtain said swag. I mean, it would definitely be hard to resist 'skipping' a Simulator event, so I absolutely would use it. I would just probably only use it sparingly.

Good point, I missed one there. The skip button will also fully complete any quests that happen during the events you skip. You won't miss out on any rewards of any kind by skipping an event.

Isn't what you are describing basically a 'sandboxed account' where you can award yourself whatever you want whenever you need that hit of dopamine? No need to play the game at all in a sandboxed account, just dole out rewards.

KGB

entrailbucket

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Blazpheme said:
Interesting.

How often would I use this 'skip' feature? I would honestly say rarely.

The one area of concern I have against activating a 'skip' (as defined above) is the lockout factor - not being able to play the event at all. This aspect could potentially leave me high and dry if a random daily event quest pops up and says "Win missions 15 times with someone I don't have levelled up too good".

Because even if I am not currently playing an event, I can always hop into an active one and drag So-and-So through the level 80 opening nodes a bunch of times real quick and knock those out for them precious points. But if I can't access events at all, I might get stuck with limited options on how I can grind out those 15 with a 3-star Psylocke or something. And I'd just rather not take that chance.

Besides, I'm okay with missing out on stuff if I don't play enough. It's all just for fun anyway. So I would have to either really want the swag, or I'm just not in the mood to deal with whatever bogusness is needed to obtain said swag. I mean, it would definitely be hard to resist 'skipping' a Simulator event, so I absolutely would use it. I would just probably only use it sparingly.

Good point, I missed one there. The skip button will also fully complete any quests that happen during the events you skip. You won't miss out on any rewards of any kind by skipping an event.

Sarcasm sense tingling...

Nope, not sarcasm! Seriously!

The whole point of this is to figure out why these folks are playing. If the answer is "I just want rewards and would prefer to never match-3" then the question becomes "Why do you want the rewards? What will you do with them?"

I think the answers we've gotten have already demonstrated this. If people think this magic Skip Event button would be so widely used it would kill the game, then this playerbase is truly in a dire state.