Should supports be completely removed from PVP

HuracanDolor
HuracanDolor Posts: 65 Match Maker
edited 3 November 2025, 22:09 in MPQ General Discussion

I know I can’t be alone in my frustration with the current state of MPQ, outside of all the bugs, I find Simulator (PVP) almost unplayable. It once was a place to try out new teams and work on different synergies. Now it’s just 3 v 6 every match because of supports. The supports aren’t really supports, the new ones are functioning like passive abilities Every match it’s extra board shakes, extra turns, someone is going invisible, airborne, away, or getting stunned. What is the point, what are the devs trying to prove?

Should supports be completely removed from PVP 47 votes

Yes, it’s broken
57% 27 votes
No, it’s fun the way it is
25% 12 votes
Only invisible, away, stuns, and airborne based supports should be removed
14% 7 votes
Should passives be added to available teamups to counter Supports
2% 1 vote
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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,642 Chairperson of the Boards

    Did they screw up and allow Leapfrog etc into Sim again?

    They're not supposed to be there but they consistently mess it up.

  • Phumade
    Phumade Posts: 2,657 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 4 November 2025, 00:14

    the supports let players split playstyles in 3 or 4 key significant ways.

    Do you want supports to enable Turn 0? Do you want supports that emphasis match damage play? Do you want supports that change how board functionis?

    fundamentally do you think we should have more ways to modify how a team works beyond cover power repec? I fully acknowledge that some supports play broken etc and should be tuned and dev balanced. With that said do you think players should be able to leverage purple ap supports into a soul stone +5 winfinte? (in pvp) If you take the supports away the teams much slower and gonna take at least 40% damage.

    We all remember how the game see-saws between passive focused, SAP play, match damage play "focused" play. So I'm not so quick to dismiss the value of having support options in pvp.

    Unless of course we are trying to simplify game flow etc. (the devs might actually intend the issue) But I personally see supports as a design philosophy of play issue vs the mechanics are broken and don't actually improve the play experience.

    edit: remember we use to be able to plus +3 the ap boost and they specifically reduced it because it enable too many turn 1 casts in relation to what how often they wanted powers to be fired.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,642 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Phumade OP seems to be referring specifically to the "banned" supports, which are... supposed to be banned (except sometimes they're not, because the intern coded it wrong or whatever).

    I guess I'm a little bit positive on the free AP supports, in the current environment. I don't think turn0 wins should be a thing, but, like, look at Cable this week. Even at 672, against Juggernaut/Sam he's dead before you can get to 9 green. In a slower overall metagame I think they'd be a lot more problematic, but where we're at now it just feels like balancing the scales a bit.

    Almost everything that's not either on the banned list or a free AP support is worthless, which is a different sort of problem that should be fixed.

  • WilliamK1983
    WilliamK1983 Posts: 1,346 Chairperson of the Boards

    I'd like to see supports take a more supporting role instead of the reason the match is over after I make two moves.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,899 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 4 November 2025, 02:03

    I like regular pvp with supports but without leapfrog and arrow. I liked car and copter but it's worth losing them to keep the first 2 away. If I had to pick, I'd keep all supports over none of them. I find it more fun when I can actually use the supports I've built up.

    Sim has been broken forever. I think sim kept the banned ones away for like 1 season. Still, I don't really notice them because every team is a win on turn 1 while the enemy team is stunned from chasm team. Everyone is running either mbaku and namor or golden Nova and iron may with chasm.

  • kuntilanak
    kuntilanak Posts: 257 Mover and Shaker

    I already said it in other previous thread that supports in PVP sucks every bit of fun away... I'd suggest 1 simple solution: in PVP, only allow supports used by player, NOT AI. Done. Just like playing PVE. :#

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,634 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    Did they screw up and allow Leapfrog etc into Sim again?

    They're not supposed to be there but they consistently mess it up.

    I don’t think the banned supports have been banned in Simulator yet. Maybe one season if that.

    In any case, they’re not banned this season, again.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,642 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Did they screw up and allow Leapfrog etc into Sim again?

    They're not supposed to be there but they consistently mess it up.

    I don’t think the banned supports have been banned in Simulator yet. Maybe one season if that.

    In any case, they’re not banned this season, again.

    Really? I guess I don't play enough Sim to keep track!

    That's the fix to OP's problem then -- actually ban the "banned" supports.

  • Kahmon
    Kahmon Posts: 642 Critical Contributor

    There should be an option that they should be used on offense only and not defensively.

  • kuntilanak
    kuntilanak Posts: 257 Mover and Shaker

    @Kahmon said:
    There should be an option that they should be used on offense only and not defensively.

    I already suggested to allow supports only on player side in PVP. It's something they should be able to implement immediately. Either that or just out right disable supports in PVP. Those metas are a pain to deal with on their own. No need to add extra layer of **** on them.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,642 Chairperson of the Boards

    @kuntilanak said:
    I already said it in other previous thread that supports in PVP sucks every bit of fun away... I'd suggest 1 simple solution: in PVP, only allow supports used by player, NOT AI. Done. Just like playing PVE. :#

    I'd like to see supports on defense in PvE too. They could make some really fun fights!

  • Kahmon
    Kahmon Posts: 642 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket said:

    @kuntilanak said:
    I already said it in other previous thread that supports in PVP sucks every bit of fun away... I'd suggest 1 simple solution: in PVP, only allow supports used by player, NOT AI. Done. Just like playing PVE. :#

    I'd like to see supports on defense in PvE too. They could make some really fun fights!

    I'm guessing that was sarcasm, which doesn't usually come through in print.
    If not, then it's just plain trolling.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,962 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Kahmon said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @kuntilanak said:
    I already said it in other previous thread that supports in PVP sucks every bit of fun away... I'd suggest 1 simple solution: in PVP, only allow supports used by player, NOT AI. Done. Just like playing PVE. :#

    I'd like to see supports on defense in PvE too. They could make some really fun fights!

    I'm guessing that was sarcasm, which doesn't usually come through in print.
    If not, then it's just plain trolling.

    He isn't trolling. I've seen him say this on several occasions. It's all part of EB's "whatever hurts my enemy benefits me" philosophy and we are all potential enemies.

  • Bustapup
    Bustapup Posts: 292 Mover and Shaker

    YES YES YES YES YES YES

    Or

    They need nerfing massively. Anything that gives you a shed load of AP on turn one should be permanently banned or removed. Invisible. Away. Any kind of protection, removed

  • Scorpion201
    Scorpion201 Posts: 87 Match Maker

    Absolutely, supports need to be completely gone from pvp .

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,962 Chairperson of the Boards

    @kuntilanak said:
    I already said it in other previous thread that supports in PVP sucks every bit of fun away... I'd suggest 1 simple solution: in PVP, only allow supports used by player, NOT AI. Done. Just like playing PVE. :#

    I'm don't mind if we have Supports or not but turning PvP in to PvE would be the end of MPQ for me. Why does anybody want MORE PvE?

  • MegaBee
    MegaBee Posts: 1,303 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @kuntilanak said:
    I already said it in other previous thread that supports in PVP sucks every bit of fun away... I'd suggest 1 simple solution: in PVP, only allow supports used by player, NOT AI. Done. Just like playing PVE. :#

    I'm don't mind if we have Supports or not but turning PvP in to PvE would be the end of MPQ for me. Why does anybody want MORE PvE?

    PvE is fidget spinner mode, and I am here for it.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,642 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Kahmon said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @kuntilanak said:
    I already said it in other previous thread that supports in PVP sucks every bit of fun away... I'd suggest 1 simple solution: in PVP, only allow supports used by player, NOT AI. Done. Just like playing PVE. :#

    I'd like to see supports on defense in PvE too. They could make some really fun fights!

    I'm guessing that was sarcasm, which doesn't usually come through in print.
    If not, then it's just plain trolling.

    Absolutely not. PvE is mostly boring, even at the new CL10 levels. I'd love to see them stick supports on some of the fights to give us more of a challenge.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,962 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bustapup said:
    YES YES YES YES YES YES

    Or

    They need nerfing massively. Anything that gives you a shed load of AP on turn one should be permanently banned or removed. Invisible. Away. Any kind of protection, removed

    But then if 1a5 Spider-Man didn't have a ridiculous purple power then him having purple AP on start up wouldn't matter. But he does. The problems are as much with (especially) the ascended characters and some of the outlier 5s (not gonna name names but we know) than they are the Supports.

    Why leave it there? Low level AI is a potent weapon on strike tile teams, Lucky and Refreshment Cart heal, Power stone and Krakoa fire free powers. If we start nerfing everything what would even be the point of these things? I encountered an ascended Abomination who I am sure was getting some cheap thrills from Gamma Rays.

    Nerfing also seems difficult to do and keep these things worth caring about.

    Then again, we haven't had a new Support since...? So who knows what is up with them.

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