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DAZ0273

@BobDucca said:
While I'm sure your dev team would have preferred to be working on other issues/enhancements, I appreciate your taking this approach so that my normal gameplay behavior wouldn't have resulted in my getting my account rolled back. Thank you.

You restart the game hundreds of times a day?!?!?

BobDucca

@DAZ0273 said:

@BobDucca said:
While I'm sure your dev team would have preferred to be working on other issues/enhancements, I appreciate your taking this approach so that my normal gameplay behavior wouldn't have resulted in my getting my account rolled back. Thank you.

You restart the game hundreds of times a day?!?!?

Probably not hundreds, but easily many many dozens, depending on the PvP event. Do you play PvP much? Seems like not. When you skip 3 times, then it costs you iso to skip again. If you don't want to pay the iso tax to skip, if you restart the game the iso counter resets. When chilling while watching tv and multitasking with some PvP, resetting the game so I can find a worthwhile opponent without spending iso is something I've been doing for years. Hope that helps.

DAZ0273

@BobDucca said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@BobDucca said:
While I'm sure your dev team would have preferred to be working on other issues/enhancements, I appreciate your taking this approach so that my normal gameplay behavior wouldn't have resulted in my getting my account rolled back. Thank you.

You restart the game hundreds of times a day?!?!?

Probably not hundreds, but easily many many dozens, depending on the PvP event. Do you play PvP much? Seems like not. When you skip 3 times, then it costs you iso to skip again. If you don't want to pay the iso tax to skip, if you restart the game the iso counter resets. When chilling while watching tv and multitasking with some PvP, resetting the game so I can find a worthwhile opponent without spending iso is something I've been doing for years. Hope that helps.

I play PvP but have rarely used the iso reset tax. Also wasn't at all questioning your gameplay, sorry if it came across like that. ☺️

Necraist

When the game kept crashing I didn't read anything about counting how many times we had to restart to compensate.
And if you say it's because of equality between players. Take away the payments. Since they go against equality.

Clouse13

Please focus on why the game is now draining my battery 1% for every minute I play. I use my phone for work and cannot sacrifice 20% of my battery for daily tasks. Add in all the other terrible glitches you knowingly rolled out (crashes, ascended characters in filtering, massive loading delays, etc) and I can't/won't play until it is resolved. 5 years of fun down the drain in one terrible (and known) issue.

entrailbucket

Previously there was an exploit where players could put their phones in airplane mode and reroll tokens until they pulled whichever characters they wanted. The players who were doing it felt much the same about that as many do about this -- "if you don't want me to do it, then patch the bug! I'm just being smart, not cheating! It's a victimless crime!"

Once the devs figured out what was happening it was apparently pretty easy to identify the folks who were heavily exploiting it. Interestingly, they did not punish players who occasionally opened a handful of tokens while offline. Players who'd spent entire days rerolling thousands of tokens were sandboxed or rolled back.

Phumade

@Bustapup said:

@Nurielkun said:
That sounds like the right call given the situation. That said, it’s a bit disappointing that the initial response was to wag a finger at players who used an "exploit" that was created (and left unpatched) by the dev team for quite a while. It stayed live for days, even after being widely known, and it’s understandable that some players saw that as fair game. Glad to hear missed tokens will be compensated fairly once it's all resolved.

It sounds like the Devs are fire fighting million issues right now and perhaps prioritised other, perhaps more urgent issues?

There is no more singularly important issue than making sure rewards are issued correctly. Putting all other mistakes aside. Players will not tolerate any impropriety in how event rewards get processed.

Game engine, graphics, all that other sutff doesn't matter if players don't have confidence in how results get processed.

So yes its better they acknowledge with a post and delay the issuance until after the fix is over. Players are long used to seeing balloned resource drops, so its at least consistent with history and practice

Edit:
Honestly, I think this bug is more important than shield time display bug. I can adapt my play flow to manually log shield times and play around the missing timer during hours 8-24. But no one is gonna play if they don't reasonably expect to see "earned rewards"

BriMan2222

@entrailbucket said:
Previously there was an exploit where players could put their phones in airplane mode and reroll legendary tokens until they pulled a guaranteed 5*. The players who were doing it felt much the same about that as many do about this -- "if you don't want me to do it, then patch the bug! I'm just being smart, not cheating! It's a victimless crime!"

Once the devs figured out what was happening it was apparently pretty easy to identify the folks who were heavily exploiting it. Interestingly, they did not punish players who occasionally opened a handful of tokens while offline. Players who'd spent entire days rerolling thousands of tokens were sandboxed or rolled back.

That's not exactly how it worked. You couldn't change the results of your pulls, you could just preview what you would get. So you could preview what your cp would get you from latest or a special store, not lose your cp and then decide if you actually wanted to do it or not.

Also, I beleive it required multiple devices and some other shanigans that no one would have ever just figured out by playing the game normally.

DAZ0273

The Devs **** up the game but the players always ruin it.

entrailbucket

@BriMan2222 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Previously there was an exploit where players could put their phones in airplane mode and reroll legendary tokens until they pulled a guaranteed 5*. The players who were doing it felt much the same about that as many do about this -- "if you don't want me to do it, then patch the bug! I'm just being smart, not cheating! It's a victimless crime!"

Once the devs figured out what was happening it was apparently pretty easy to identify the folks who were heavily exploiting it. Interestingly, they did not punish players who occasionally opened a handful of tokens while offline. Players who'd spent entire days rerolling thousands of tokens were sandboxed or rolled back.

That's not exactly how it worked. You couldn't change the results of your pulls, you could just preview what you would get. So you could preview what your cp would get you from latest or a special store, not lose your cp and then decide if you actually wanted to do it or not.

Also, I beleive it required multiple devices and some other shanigans that no one would have ever just figured out by playing the game normally.

That's the thing that happened AFTER they fixed the first rerolling exploit. The first version of it did allow you to effectively choose what you got.

bluewolf

@BriMan2222 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Previously there was an exploit where players could put their phones in airplane mode and reroll legendary tokens until they pulled a guaranteed 5*. The players who were doing it felt much the same about that as many do about this -- "if you don't want me to do it, then patch the bug! I'm just being smart, not cheating! It's a victimless crime!"

Once the devs figured out what was happening it was apparently pretty easy to identify the folks who were heavily exploiting it. Interestingly, they did not punish players who occasionally opened a handful of tokens while offline. Players who'd spent entire days rerolling thousands of tokens were sandboxed or rolled back.

That's not exactly how it worked. You couldn't change the results of your pulls, you could just preview what you would get. So you could preview what your cp would get you from latest or a special store, not lose your cp and then decide if you actually wanted to do it or not.

Also, I beleive it required multiple devices and some other shanigans that no one would have ever just figured out by playing the game normally.

The preview of pulls that you could not change (only wait for the store to rotate and slightly alter the results) existed for years. Who knows if it works in Unity. (Someone knows, haha.)

But before that, the store actually re-rolled results for each pull each time so people did do that, pull and reset until they got the rarity they wanted. Then the devs figured out that they needed to make sure all the pulls for each store were preset forever, basically, so you couldn’t alter anything. That ended the practice.

Well, obviously the covers change a little when new characters enter, but the rarity always stays the same.

entrailbucket

@bluewolf said:

@BriMan2222 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Previously there was an exploit where players could put their phones in airplane mode and reroll legendary tokens until they pulled a guaranteed 5*. The players who were doing it felt much the same about that as many do about this -- "if you don't want me to do it, then patch the bug! I'm just being smart, not cheating! It's a victimless crime!"

Once the devs figured out what was happening it was apparently pretty easy to identify the folks who were heavily exploiting it. Interestingly, they did not punish players who occasionally opened a handful of tokens while offline. Players who'd spent entire days rerolling thousands of tokens were sandboxed or rolled back.

That's not exactly how it worked. You couldn't change the results of your pulls, you could just preview what you would get. So you could preview what your cp would get you from latest or a special store, not lose your cp and then decide if you actually wanted to do it or not.

Also, I beleive it required multiple devices and some other shanigans that no one would have ever just figured out by playing the game normally.

The preview of pulls that you could not change (only wait for the store to rotate and slightly alter the results) existed for years. Who knows if it works in Unity. (Someone knows, haha.)

But before that, the store actually re-rolled results for each pull each time so people did do that, pull and reset until they got the rarity they wanted. Then the devs figured out that they needed to make sure all the pulls for each store were preset forever, basically, so you couldn’t alter anything. That ended the practice.

Well, obviously the covers change a little when new characters enter, but the rarity always stays the same.

And if you were around for the first version of the exploit, the players who were doing it argued that they were just being smart and not hurting anyone. When that failed (because LOL), many of them argued that it was all just an accident -- they didn't mean to spend entire days rerolling thousands of tokens, they just played in areas with poor service!

The devs saw right through them, because it's not like these people were criminal masterminds or something. If the exploiters had been somewhat less greedy or open about it, they'd probably have been fine. It turns out that it's pretty easy to tell who's purposely exploiting something and who's doing it by accident. On top of that, many of them openly bragged about what they were doing, and openly instructed others in how to do it.

I did not hear of a single player who was punished for occasionally opening tokens in a bad service area, because again, it's trivial to see who's doing this sort of thing on purpose and who isn't.

Phumade

Yes, there were many levels to how that exploit evolved. (randomness, used to be calculated on the client device vs pre-calculated by server) Apparently, internal Nicknames were assigned. Overall, I don't have any issues on how it was handled. The game mechanics needed to be hardened. Even the forced update diaglog box is the result of users explicitly trying to avoid an update.

Overall consequences for both devs and players are necessary to build a well designed app thats hardened against gameplay attacks.

BriMan2222

@entrailbucket said:

@BriMan2222 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Previously there was an exploit where players could put their phones in airplane mode and reroll legendary tokens until they pulled a guaranteed 5*. The players who were doing it felt much the same about that as many do about this -- "if you don't want me to do it, then patch the bug! I'm just being smart, not cheating! It's a victimless crime!"

Once the devs figured out what was happening it was apparently pretty easy to identify the folks who were heavily exploiting it. Interestingly, they did not punish players who occasionally opened a handful of tokens while offline. Players who'd spent entire days rerolling thousands of tokens were sandboxed or rolled back.

That's not exactly how it worked. You couldn't change the results of your pulls, you could just preview what you would get. So you could preview what your cp would get you from latest or a special store, not lose your cp and then decide if you actually wanted to do it or not.

Also, I beleive it required multiple devices and some other shanigans that no one would have ever just figured out by playing the game normally.

That's the thing that happened AFTER they fixed the first rerolling exploit. The first version of it did allow you to effectively choose what you got.

I guess I never heard about the first version of that cheat.

revskip

This is how this should have been initially handled. Well done pivoting from the absolutely terrible way it was handled yesterday to a much more reasonable approach. Now please fix all the other bugs you have introduced with this very poorly executed launch of your new engine.

fuzzy_cracks

This was weird. It was kinda interesting in DDQ where crash of titans kept showing up as not completed. 🤣🤣…I didn’t think much about it. I just kept playing it and kept getting the tokens for latest legends. These guys really gotta fix this new engine. It is completely unstable..🤣🤣. So laggy…🤣🤣…I make the selection on the move in the field and I have to wait for the damn thing to complete my task. Why?!?!…🤣🤣🤣..Dude, this is trash. I never thought after all the years of playing that it’ll get this bad. I thought the Dr. Strange cover dump a few years back was bad. Nope, this is worse…🤣🤣🤣🤣

DAZ0273

I really like how the smiley count kept going up on the above post as you read along. Is there a Forum badge for that? There should be a forum badge - "Escalating Smiley" - S0kun or Scofie or whoever if you could please get on that ASAP.

WilliamK1983

Umm this patch only fixed about half the problems > @DAZ0273 said:

I really like how the smiley count kept going up on the above post as you read along. Is there a Forum badge for that? There should be a forum badge - "Escalating Smiley" - S0kun or Scofie or whoever if you could please get on that ASAP.

Doable, but only with the new engine.

Scofie

@WilliamK1983 said:
Umm this patch only fixed about half the problems > @DAZ0273 said:

I really like how the smiley count kept going up on the above post as you read along. Is there a Forum badge for that? There should be a forum badge - "Escalating Smiley" - S0kun or Scofie or whoever if you could please get on that ASAP.

Doable, but only with the new engine.

Luckily I updated a few days ago! @DAZ0273 - I have added the new Forum badge under Unity, and delighted to announce that it will be awarded in four months. To the wrong player. Six times.

slidecage

@unphoto said:
I normally never comment on community post but this just pissed me off:

Strange such strong language isn't more specifically worded:

1. What is considered aggresious? 100, 200?
2. Why is this only mentioned on this forum where most of the community hardly visits. Only scouters and new players show up on a regular. Post this on your Socials as well or are you afraid of the already growing dissatisfaction getting a bigger base?
3. Push this warning thru the ingame news popup so NOBODY can plead plausible deniability.
4. What metrics are you using? How would you discern some 5* shard winnings from the current vaults from 5* shards that would stem from your mentioned "exploit".
   You need to stipulate allot more then threatening what a roll back hammer.

Focus on polishing the game, instead applying team resources on monitoring a loophole, your team left there to begin with.

Why not just ban the ..who did this. People want to complain (like me) that the broken game isn't getting fix) it's not getting fix that fast cause they got to fix bugs where people are taking advantage of

This is the same **** that goes on every week at target with pokemon cards clearly states 1 per guess per day but people come by 1 checkout come back 20 more time repeat then have the balls to gloat how many packs they got. They are lucky I'm off for next 4 weeks due to surgery or maybe I started punching them in their hoader faces

How can you say the basic player will not be missing out on anything. Unless you leave the vaults up for good. Say it takes a month to fix it those vaults will go into post vault meaning rewards will be random

I still say ban the people who did this. Maybe I'm just saying this cause I'm grumpy in pain (gallbladder surgery was today at 12 got home at 5. Know sharing to much,

Personally I don't care about a push getting all tokens at later date that does nothing. Punish the people who took advantage of your system or they will just keep doing it Everytime the find an open window