2025 Community Rebalance Vote

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  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,909 Chairperson of the Boards

    Whether she has been reworked or not, for me she is very much the Not-Dazzler as far as utility.

  • Hellblazer666
    Hellblazer666 Posts: 211 Tile Toppler

    I Don't care about any of these as most of those 4 stars I never use.

    But if I choose one its Gertrude

  • Kross
    Kross Posts: 114 Tile Toppler

    @Tiger_Wong said:
    Why I picked Dazzler -

    1) her black is convuluted much in the same way as 5* black widow’s powers are in that there are a number of conditions to meet just to get a “meh” reward for meeting those conditions.

    2) her red is also like 5* black widow in that it’s extra damage condition seems unnecessarily convuluted. “For every 3 additional red AP you have when you fire this power, add 3 more strike tiles”….. meaning, you have to have 10/13/16/19 to get this additional reward. Why not just make this “for every additional red AP when fired, add a strike to the field”….?

    3) her green’s additional power condition is quite weak without boosters….. which I’m ok with…… but I have her ascended and it’s still noticeably weaker than a number of Non-ascended 4*s.

    4) her support synergy perk doesn’t really match up with her powers. I’m ok with it except……

    5) this mpq dazzler ain’t Dazzler. It ain’t comic book dazzler. It ain’t cartoon dazzler. It ain’t dazzler from any multiverse I ever remember. It certainly isn’t “Dazzler (Classic)” which is from the 1980s. Why is she even making strikes? Her power turns sound into light. She was the x-men’s one-woman version of Jem and the Holograms. Why isn’t she absorbing charged tiles and converting them into basic tiles and then using that shoot an aoe? Or converting SAPs into an aoe? My biggest reason for being rebalanced is that overall, she doesn’t feel like Dazzler and she’s not fun.

    AND team her with a 5* Longshot, to get some Cage/IF or Moondragon/Phy synergies.

  • Seph1roth5
    Seph1roth5 Posts: 440 Mover and Shaker

    Don't think people would've tried hard in the challenge if they knew it was a 4* rebalance. Let's all write-in 5* peggy please.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,909 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 10 January 2025, 12:06

    @Seph1roth5 said:
    Don't think people would've tried hard in the challenge if they knew it was a 4* rebalance. Let's all write-in 5* peggy please.

    I assume most people who cared about the challenge were primarily interested in the Soul Stone. But I also don’t like the options being all 4s.

    I can easily believe that a random bad to mediocre 4 is used less than a random bad to mediocre 5, because for lower end rosters the 5* match dmg from even one cover is useful. Hence why these are all 4s. I use Worthy Peggy in easy nodes daily.

    Why these 4s? Maybe they’re particularly ineffective with low covers, and/or not popular overall as characters, and/or newer characters who vets haven’t ascended and hence don’t use for random matches etc. It’s some combination of all 3, probably. There are 153 4s so the bottom portion of the tier has to be incredibly close together in terms of usage rates and there’s probably very little difference between, say, the bottom 10 and the bottom 11-20.

  • Zalasta
    Zalasta Posts: 301 Mover and Shaker

    No 5-stars, no care.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,441 Chairperson of the Boards

    This still perplexes me. If the goal is to get us to use more 4* from the hugely bloated choice, why don't you give us 4* PVP? There are literally too many 4* as it is for me to have time and/or opportunity to use them (I think I have 3 that are not champed) unless you force me to. So force me to. Retire some of the tired old 3* PVP that have been run again and again and again, we have fresh new 3* that can be used instead and then split with 4* and yes, why not, 5* PVP. Loaners are provided for those without. How hard can it be?

  • waywreth
    waywreth Posts: 304 Mover and Shaker

    Wrote in Black Bolt. But a write-in isn't going to win the poll.

  • Bzhai
    Bzhai Posts: 526 Critical Contributor

    Okay much better. Now it's more of a tougher choose since all the 5* needs rework badly.

    Can we please maintain this list for the next rebalance and eventually check off everyone?

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,332 Chairperson of the Boards

    When voting for 5 stars, please avoid voting for anyone who appears in a PVE node, especially Challenge nodes. There is no reason to make PVE harder when there are plenty of other 5s to rebalance that are not in PVE nodes.

    KGB

  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,073 Chairperson of the Boards

    4*

    Black Knight
    Namora
    Dazzler

    5*
    Odin
    Rescue
    Cap (IW)

    Write in - 5* black widow

  • Zalasta
    Zalasta Posts: 301 Mover and Shaker

    Thanks for the poll update!

  • ElReyFelix
    ElReyFelix Posts: 105 Tile Toppler

    I wrote in 5* Gambit in hopes of bringing him back to a top tier character. Or at the very least taking away the penalty of restricting the use of allies' powers...

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,113 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:
    When voting for 5 stars, please avoid voting for anyone who appears in a PVE node, especially Challenge nodes. There is no reason to make PVE harder when there are plenty of other 5s to rebalance that are not in PVE nodes.

    KGB

    Is there a list of those? I think most of the truly terrible 5* do show up in PvE somewhere -- they were adding 5* to events while they were making some really bad characters.

  • fight4thedream
    fight4thedream GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,982 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 12 January 2025, 03:47

    I very much appreciate the inclusion of 5* characters.

    My votes

    4*
    1. Black Knight: I have always felt it was bad form to have him win the most wanted character vote and end up with sub-par abilities

    1. Dazzler: The idea of Dazzler ushering in a disco meta brings a smile to my face

    2. M.O.D.O.K..: Already pretty good but more firepower sounds like more fun

    5*

    1. Odin
      The All-Father's abilities don't really capture the flavor of the comic version. Not only is he a powerhouse brawler and master tactician in his own right, but he also has the ability to bestow immortality, strip gods of their power and do all sorts of magic. Iron May's Iron Wisdom is basically what Odin's Blessing should have been if we are being lore-accurate here. I mean he is the God of Wisdom. Additionally miffed they couldn't work Odinsleep into his skillset. It's a glaring oversight.

    2. Sersi
      Just my Eternals fan bias showing. Her powers are pretty flavor accurate although could use some sprucing up. For example, Eternal Life should arguably grant 100% health revive akin to Ikaris' Rise Again. Considering the prevalence of Mighty Thor in the PvP meta and the fact that Sersi must be downed while her CD is present on the board, it's no simple task trying to meet that condition.

    3. Yelena Belova
      Third was a toss up between Ultron and Yelena but since Thunderbolts* is being released this year, I thought it would be a nice way to celebrate the movie release if she got a good buff. Top of the Class is largely irrelevant since most of the best powers aren't pushing past 9AP, with the notable exception of battling Ascended 1* characters (perhaps that list might grow when more people have older 2* and 3* characters Ascended). Drop it down to 5AP. I know it sounds crazy but considering there are already a wide variety of potential counters (booster character like Iron May or Grocket plus passive damage dealer like Omega Red or Juggernaut) I don't think it will be that big of an issue. We are already living in crazy times in MPQ, why not let Yelena join and have some fun?

    Write-ins:

    God Emperor Doom: Doom is already playing a big role in the comics this year and will obviously rock the MCU next year. Hands down one of the greatest Marvel villains of all time being largely irrelevant in MPQ is what I consider one MPQ's biggest sins, especially considering the God Emperor form is arguably his most powerful incarnation.

    Spider-Man: Back in Black: Why the original dev team decided to forgo the more famous symbiote costume for the lesser known vigilante storyline has always baffled me. Would love for him to get a buff and Broken Circle play it as him regaining the symbiote thus the higher stats, and new more aggressive skill set.

    Hela: Grossly underpowered. The fact that her Knives Out states she lashes out with a barrage of conjured blade and you only get 4 strikes at the hefty price of 9 red AP still irks me to this day. Did they not watch Thor: Ragnarok? I would like her skill set to get a complete rework that focuses on quick strike tile generation and punishment for enemy team destroying said strike tiles and maybe even an ally revive when x-amount of strike tiles on board remove strike tiles and revive fallen ally by 50% or something like that.

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,429 Chairperson of the Boards

    Is it just me that doesn't like Super Skrull at all?

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,441 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Scofie said:
    Is it just me that doesn't like Super Skrull at all?

    He smells a bit tottenham to me, very Spursy.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,332 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @KGB said:
    When voting for 5 stars, please avoid voting for anyone who appears in a PVE node, especially Challenge nodes. There is no reason to make PVE harder when there are plenty of other 5s to rebalance that are not in PVE nodes.

    KGB

    Is there a list of those? I think most of the truly terrible 5* do show up in PvE somewhere -- they were adding 5* to events while they were making some really bad characters.

    Cap, Odin, Ultron and Yelena all appear in PVE nodes. I think Heimdall does too.

    KGB

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