Regarding 5* characters

entrailbucket

@bluewolf said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Chrynos1989 said:
@The_Boi_of_Steel

It’s pretty easy

You need to have the latest 3 legendaries at 550
Atm, these would be Phylla, Aunt May and Jubilee
If you then keep pulling in the latest legendary store and get a 5*, you can contact CS and ask them to swap these „useless“ covers for any 5* you want, this also work with shards of these latest 5* but first contact CS don’t just apply them to start a new char!

My Spidergirl is also already at 550 and I’ve already started collecting LTs and shards for whoever the next 5* will be

Except it's not just for the Latest store. Sometimes they'll do swaps from other legendary stores as well, and the only way to find out which is to ask CS about every one. Generally they'll do it for the Anniversary store, some years they've done it for Lunar New Year (but not every year), and then there's a handful of other random ones. None of this is announced -- the only way to find out is by asking CS every time, or through Line/Discord/whatever.

As far as I can tell they are only going to do swaps for Latests moving forward.

Swaps for any other store in the recent past were against policy but honored because someone said it somewhere.

I would assume only Latests at this point. People ask about swaps for other stores and are ignored for the most part.

Maybe they could make an announcement about this change in policy?

dianetics

@entrailbucket said:
Maybe they could make an announcement about this change in policy?

LOL.
Let me rub my belly a bit here. It's not the policy, they do it because they did it.

If they ever came out publicly with this "feature" they would open up CS to even more tickets.

I think its a **** policy honestly that helps nobody. Even the people at the top getting the swaps aren't really benefitting from it.

They turn them around as fast as possible to get the next one in stock, and then have a monster to beat up everyone else for a week or 2.

Does the meta ever actually change that quickly? Do these folk ever get like 6 full weeks of domination? Not really, maybe once a year.

This policy should be done away with publicly stating cover swaps wont happen so the crew upstairs has to slum it with the rest of us.

BriMan2222

I'm sure at the beginning this policy was just for the mega whales who were in buy clubs and spending absurd amounts of money to 550 everyone immediately. But, after people learned that the policy exists and that they could hoard their way into doing it rather than spending the devs couldn't really say "sorry, this policy was only intended for the high rollers. We didn't expect you plebs to figure out a way to do it for free"

entrailbucket

@BriMan2222 said:
I'm sure at the beginning this policy was just for the mega whales who were in buy clubs and spending absurd amounts of money to 550 everyone immediately. But, after people learned that the policy exists and that they could hoard their way into doing it rather than spending the devs couldn't really say "sorry, this policy was only intended for the high rollers. We didn't expect you plebs to figure out a way to do it for free"

I mean, why not? Not only could they do that (it's their policy and there are no laws governing cover swapping), they should do that. Why would anyone spend money ever when you can win everything for free? They're not running a charity, this is a business.

Yeah, the entitled free to play veterans on Line would whine, but if they're free to play, they contribute nothing anyway!

@dianetics you're forgetting that they can swap the "extra" covers for ANY 5* of their choice, not just the newest one.

dianetics

@entrailbucket said:
@dianetics you're forgetting that they can swap the "extra" covers for ANY 5* of their choice, not just the newest one.

Oh no I'm not forgetting. It is a poopoo policy.

If we cannot see the things directly in the game, then it should not be available.
I should not have to go shudder to Reddit, or Discord, or Line, or some developers front lawn to know what is happening in the game.

Show us and tell us in the actual game. There shouldn't be a secret menu for the folks who know how waggle the red rocket to make the dog happy.

All players should be able to compete, when a policy like this is active all players cannot complete at the same level. It's icky.

bluewolf

Needless to say (?) swapping for the Latest character allows you to keep the chain going.

The more I play under ascension the more it seems to me that a roster that never stopped playing hard would be very able to keep this chain going nearly indefinitely.

I am not even in a top alliance (T250), I took 3 years off and I decided a few days ago to stop pulling Latests and I have 34 LTs. I have dozens of 4s that need iso with many saved covers. I spend all my CP on classics or occasionally a new release or special store, never on Latests. My Phyla is 475 and that’s not that big but it’s a lot more than older ones i stopped at back in the day ended up.

Anyway focusing pulls on Latests would probably get the 550 chain going for lots of vets.

entrailbucket

@dianetics said:

@entrailbucket said:
@dianetics you're forgetting that they can swap the "extra" covers for ANY 5* of their choice, not just the newest one.

Oh no I'm not forgetting. It is a poopoo policy.

If we cannot see the things directly in the game, then it should not be available.
I should not have to go shudder to Reddit, or Discord, or Line, or some developers front lawn to know what is happening in the game.

Show us and tell us in the actual game. There shouldn't be a secret menu for the folks who know how waggle the red rocket to make the dog happy.

All players should be able to compete, when a policy like this is active all players cannot complete at the same level. It's icky.

Yeah, I got off track there (I've never done that before!), thanks for bringing me back.

I think it's a bad idea, but it's their game and their policy and they can do swaps or not do swaps or whatever they want.

But it's ridiculous to offer this huge competitive advantage that's only available to certain players with inside information. If they're going to keep doing it, this needs to be clearly stated somewhere official, and updated when they make changes. How could anyone be opposed to that? What is the argument against it?

BriMan2222

@entrailbucket said:

@dianetics said:

@entrailbucket said:
@dianetics you're forgetting that they can swap the "extra" covers for ANY 5* of their choice, not just the newest one.

Oh no I'm not forgetting. It is a poopoo policy.

If we cannot see the things directly in the game, then it should not be available.
I should not have to go shudder to Reddit, or Discord, or Line, or some developers front lawn to know what is happening in the game.

Show us and tell us in the actual game. There shouldn't be a secret menu for the folks who know how waggle the red rocket to make the dog happy.

All players should be able to compete, when a policy like this is active all players cannot complete at the same level. It's icky.

Yeah, I got off track there (I've never done that before!), thanks for bringing me back.

I think it's a bad idea, but it's their game and their policy and they can do swaps or not do swaps or whatever they want.

But it's ridiculous to offer this huge competitive advantage that's only available to certain players with inside information. If they're going to keep doing it, this needs to be clearly stated somewhere official, and updated when they make changes. How could anyone be opposed to that? What is the argument against it?

Because you can't expose the secrets of the stone cutters.

"Who holds back supports in PVP? Who rigs every PVE?

We do! We do!"

The_Boi_of_Steel

@dianetics said:

@entrailbucket said:
Maybe they could make an announcement about this change in policy?

LOL.
Let me rub my belly a bit here. It's not the policy, they do it because they did it.

If they ever came out publicly with this "feature" they would open up CS to even more tickets.

I think its a **** policy honestly that helps nobody. Even the people at the top getting the swaps aren't really benefitting from it.

They turn them around as fast as possible to get the next one in stock, and then have a monster to beat up everyone else for a week or 2.

Does the meta ever actually change that quickly? Do these folk ever get like 6 full weeks of domination? Not really, maybe once a year.

This policy should be done away with publicly stating cover swaps wont happen so the crew upstairs has to slum it with the rest of us.

I’ve been giving this some thought and wondering what’s the purpose in leveling them up to 550. Don’t misunderstand me, that’s kind of the purpose, but do we really use ANY other character than what we normally use? I’m never really going to use Aunt May GO at 451 or even 550 since I have certain characters and combinations of them that I'm really going to rely on.

I’m beginning to think that it might be a waste of time and resources when there are characters I Love using that should get the attention they need in leveling up.

dianetics

@The_Boi_of_Steel said:
I’ve been giving this some thought and wondering what’s the purpose in leveling them up to 550. Don’t misunderstand me, that’s kind of the purpose, but do we really use ANY other character than what we normally use? I’m never really going to use Aunt May GO at 451 or even 550 since I have certain characters and combinations of them that I'm really going to rely on.

I’m beginning to think that it might be a waste of time and resources when there are characters I Love using that should get the attention they need in leveling up.

It's a competetive and resource advantage. No other real explanation.

bluewolf

@The_Boi_of_Steel
I don’t know the full details of the team, but a 550 Golden Oldie boosted is the meta for pve. Run her with Emma (Krakoa support) and Iron Man (Arc Reactor) and boost reds as high as possible. She can do full clears in like 5-7 min. She’s the best recent 5 as far as being meta in pve.

Of course, this only really matters if you’re fully devoted to winning pve and have the appropriate schedule etc.

GrimSkald

@bluewolf said:
@The_Boi_of_Steel
I don’t know the full details of the team, but a 550 Golden Oldie boosted is the meta for pve. Run her with Emma (Krakoa support) and Iron Man (Arc Reactor) and boost reds as high as possible. She can do full clears in like 5-7 min. She’s the best recent 5 as far as being meta in pve.

Of course, this only really matters if you’re fully devoted to winning pve and have the appropriate schedule etc.

Honestly, it's a nice option to have when you don't feel like actually playing with more fun teams. Once you get your May high enough you can wipe out most nodes without matching or one or two matches. It's pretty sweet.

I ended up using this service for the first time on Friday - I had gotten my Phylla up to 550 but RNG was very unkind to May, and she was lagging behind both Phoenix Jubilee and Phylla. So I kept pulling and in the end I traded 17 covers of Phylla for May. Next season I may end up doing the same for Jubilee, we'll see. Spider-Girl is going to be a whatever for me -- I feel sure I'll get her to 500 at least but we'll see how much further. It will depend on how good the next 5* is...

The_Boi_of_Steel

@dianetics said:

@The_Boi_of_Steel said:
I’ve been giving this some thought and wondering what’s the purpose in leveling them up to 550. Don’t misunderstand me, that’s kind of the purpose, but do we really use ANY other character than what we normally use? I’m never really going to use Aunt May GO at 451 or even 550 since I have certain characters and combinations of them that I'm really going to rely on.

I’m beginning to think that it might be a waste of time and resources when there are characters I Love using that should get the attention they need in leveling up.

It's a competetive and resource advantage. No other real explanation.

I kind of figured that, but I’m starting to believe it’s a waste of resources.

This game seems more addictive than illicit drugs. 😂🤣😂

entrailbucket

@The_Boi_of_Steel said:

@dianetics said:

@entrailbucket said:
Maybe they could make an announcement about this change in policy?

LOL.
Let me rub my belly a bit here. It's not the policy, they do it because they did it.

If they ever came out publicly with this "feature" they would open up CS to even more tickets.

I think its a **** policy honestly that helps nobody. Even the people at the top getting the swaps aren't really benefitting from it.

They turn them around as fast as possible to get the next one in stock, and then have a monster to beat up everyone else for a week or 2.

Does the meta ever actually change that quickly? Do these folk ever get like 6 full weeks of domination? Not really, maybe once a year.

This policy should be done away with publicly stating cover swaps wont happen so the crew upstairs has to slum it with the rest of us.

I’ve been giving this some thought and wondering what’s the purpose in leveling them up to 550. Don’t misunderstand me, that’s kind of the purpose, but do we really use ANY other character than what we normally use? I’m never really going to use Aunt May GO at 451 or even 550 since I have certain characters and combinations of them that I'm really going to rely on.

I’m beginning to think that it might be a waste of time and resources when there are characters I Love using that should get the attention they need in leveling up.

For me, it's fun to use different teams and different characters. There's very little variation in the enemies we fight in MPQ, so the way I keep the game interesting is by using different stuff.

If you just want to win stuff easily and you won't ever get bored, then yeah, you just need one cover of every character (for essentials) + high leveled "meta" characters.

Phumade

We've all seen the game economy liberalize over the last 2 years. I would guess that the % of players who can reliably champ a 5* during LL period is at all time high. It goes without saying that established rosters are also stepping into the next tier (be it to 480, 500, or full time 550 train).

In the old days, you need well overer 500 LL tokens to even approximate getting 75 covers (at 15%drop) but now we have access to fully developed farms, shards, and LTs via vaults. So generating 113 covers (to max out a new 5*) is more viable than before..