MMR Hell

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About a month ago I leveled my first character to 100 (punisher). I have been playing since January and had been successful with a maxed out 2 star team. I had placed top 10-15 in many PVP tourneys and top 5-25 in every PVE running Storm, Mags, and Thor/Ares. Now I am getting totally and utterly destroyed in every PVP and PVE. I'll put out my 109 punisher with a couple of level 85's (don't have OBW) but I see teams of 141's from the beginning that can destroy me in a few turns. I spend a lot of ISO skipping hoping to find fights in my range which always has me fighting a maxed OBW with 8 purple skill. I am spending the rest of my ISO on boosts which has halted progression of my 3 stars to a degree.

Am I now stuck in MMR hell? Is there anyway besides tanking to get out of it? The game has become brutal to the point where I don't even look forward to playing anymore but do it for my alliance. Used to score top 3 in many events for the 20 person alliance but now I'm constantly in the bottom half even though I'm still putting in the 20+ hours a week. I've wondered if it might help to sell my 109 punisher or 89 Steve Rodgers although I spent a long time trying to build them. Any advice from anyone who went through this would be well appreciated. Is it something that was triggered by starting to level my 3 stars? Thanks.

Unknown

I feel almost the same.

I started on February, not long ago I was fighitng with a mix of not maxed 3 stars with 2 stars, It wasnt that bad, I was fighitng people above my level, but I could manage to land 1100 points by going hardcore.

Some days ago I had my first 141, don't do it, this game punishes you for progressing, then my pve nodes started at 160 and even worse, I join Black Panther pvp and my first fight is against a 212, 141 and 141, all that I can find is around those levels.

Pvp was fine, you could reach 800 by playing, 1000 by doing some effort, and 1100 by shield hopping, etc. Now to reach 100 points I have to fight teams of 212, 141, 141 that give me less than 30 points.

I feel I belong to the best guild you can find, deadpooltacos, and thats why I want to keep playing, Im not burnout or anything but I dont see how can I reach a good position and help my guild in this condition.

Unknown

Already discussed in several threads, including mine:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8730

I ended up taking it easier in pvp and focusing a bit more on pve and lightning rounds, with the goal of maxing up my punisher (mission accomplished). After losing a lot of matches and settling for 450-550 in the last few pvp events, it seems I'm out of MMR hell - I still see 141s, just not right off the bat.

Unknown

If someone has a solution, pls post it, if someone hasnt reached three stars, take it as a warning, try to stay at 140 or something. If a dev is reading this, I feel you have a gold mine in this game, but somehow you are an alchemist who is trying to transmute a gold pile into a dung lot.

Unknown

First up DO NOT SELL YOUR 3* HEROES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your MMR hell comes from those 10-15 PvP places and top 3 in your alliance kind of scores. If you keep winning without taking losses, either on offence or defence then your MMR will keep on climbing until you hit ppl with high level rosters. Most of the ppl who post about MMR hell are guys (or girls) who have over reached in pvp with their 2* rosters and never done anything to mitigate their success (tanked).

So your solution is indeed limited to tanking. Depending on what bits of the forum you read you'll either be told tanking is impossible, or at the least a lot more difficult than it used to be. Also no-one who's managed to tank their MMR is going to jump out to volunteer how because it'll only get whatever they've done nerfed/removed

If you lose enough games you'll drop your MMR. For a start don't shield pretty much ever, get a decent score early,ONLY off ppl worth a LOT of points and hope you should get retaliated and attacked multiple times. Because your losses are reduced when your score is towards the lower end, your 40 point wins might be worth several attacks each before you're no longer worth hitting. You'll be running a negative win/loss and start to lower your MMR.

If you want to go a little further, be there as an event starts, save 1 really weak seed team in a node, kill other seed team nodes as quick as possible, when you run out of seeds attack that saved seed team (loaner plus 2 lvl 1's or 2's etc) with a loaned featured hero and 2 of your crappies heroes that you won't lose with.... tbh a couple of lvl 20's will do fine. Then leave everything alone at least a day, ideally til there is 24 hours or less to go in the event. You'll get attacked a LOT and then you can grab some points at 40+ a pop to do your bit for your alliance.

Anything else you'll have to work out for yourself

If your MMR is really high it'll take quite a while to start seeing a difference. Your MMR has no upper limit AFAIK, so can have quite a lot to lose before going below the 3x141 boundary. You can't really place well doing this. If you get a lot of points after tanking you'll only be keeping your MMR higher for longer....

Unknown

MMR Hell is when you are deep into a tournament and are hitting skip and only getting the same 3-4 opponents (usually for less than 20 points each).

The problem you are experiencing is something relatively new that doesn't really have a shorthand name. You are the victim of a different kind of Hell where the MMR is misreading your actual ability. I see alot of people that are making the 3* transition posting about it.

All you can really do is allow yourself to lose more often (don't use boosts to beat opponents that are stronger than you, try to limit your healing) and dial back your expectations on where you finish. Top 50 is fine.

Nemek

Toxicadam wrote:

MMR Hell is when you are deep into a tournament and are hitting skip and only getting the same 3-4 opponents (usually for less than 20 points each).

Yes, that is the correct usage of the term.

Unknown

Thanks a lot for your answers.

I feel the real problems is the game design, a game in whicih the gameplay forces you to lose for a long time in order to have a fair match, is flawled.

But meanwhile, Ill do what you guys said, Ill talk to my guild so they understand I wont be keeping my usually 1000 on pvp for a while, so bad season 2 is ending, I have to do good at least until it ends.

Unknown

Don't be afraid to try different playstyles if you are suddenly failing.

Join events very late (so you don't need 1000 points to place well) or join events in the off-hours (for instance, if it has a US friendly endtime, join the event late in the AM when Euros/Asians normally play). Experiment with shield hopping towards the end of an event. Instead of playing for long periods of time, play 2-3 matches every few hours all throughout the day.

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Nemek wrote:

Toxicadam wrote:

MMR Hell is when you are deep into a tournament and are hitting skip and only getting the same 3-4 opponents (usually for less than 20 points each).

Yes, that is the correct usage of the term.

Should be called "Shielding hell". All the ppl worth more than 20 pts are shielded because if they weren't the piranhas would descend within 15 minutes and they WOULD be worth less than 20 points afterwards

Unknown

This sure sounds like MMR Hell to me and it's one of the recent changes that has pushed me away from the game even more. I barely play now since THE GRIND IS NEVER, EVER WORTH IT.

Tanking shouldn't even be considered an option. If tanking is the only "solution", then it just goes to show how screwed up the game is. I thought matchmaking was bad months ago, but now it's 100x worse. Who wants to face Level 141s for the duration of any and all events?

Unknown

Toxicadam wrote:

Top 50 is fine.

The real issue is that reaching top 50 in these brackets requires at least 700 points, which can't be done without minimal shield hopping. It's disheartening to see a top ten filled with members of SHIELD, Django etc when all you have is a single maxed hero and they have at least 4 (meaning they can just switch teams and keep climbing the ladder).

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sorcered wrote:

The real issue is that reaching top 50 in these brackets requires at least 700 points, which can't be done without minimal shield hopping. It's disheartening to see a top ten filled with members of SHIELD, Django etc when all you have is a single maxed hero and they have at least 4 (meaning they can just switch teams and keep climbing the ladder).

I think you're off a bit. In my experience, you can join an event in the last 5-8 hours and score 500'ish and pretty easily make top 50 (you might have to shield though). Teh top ten is usually still in the 800-1000 range, but places 11-50 are a lot softer than the brackets you find if you join on day one.

Also, it doesn't matter how many teams you have, you are still at the mercy of needing to heal the featured character (to keep the run going) and facing the 'zombie hoard' at some point. Where it doesn't matter how many viable characters you have, the attacks are coming in so quick you can't make any ground up.

Unknown

Nemek wrote:

Toxicadam wrote:

MMR Hell is when you are deep into a tournament and are hitting skip and only getting the same 3-4 opponents (usually for less than 20 points each).

Yes, that is the correct usage of the term.

This is exactly where im at right now 3.5.4..4.13(yay?) lol
Anyhow Sorry Vc for hitting you a few times but seriously you were the only target worth more then 5pts for me right now.
I'm shielded up for the rest of the tourney at 1210pts so anyone feel free to hit back when you see me.

Unknown

Toxicadam wrote:

...you can join an event in the last 5-8 hours and score 500'ish and pretty easily make top 50 (you might have to shield though). Teh top ten is usually still in the 800-1000 range, but places 11-50 are a lot softer than the brackets you find if you join on day one.

Unrelated to the main topic, but useful: when do you "join" an event? When you play the first match in that event or when you first click the event? i.e. I opened the current Starfall event and read the reward list as soon as it appeared, but I haven't played any match yet. Am I in or out?

Bowgentle

sorcered wrote:

Toxicadam wrote:

...you can join an event in the last 5-8 hours and score 500'ish and pretty easily make top 50 (you might have to shield though). Teh top ten is usually still in the 800-1000 range, but places 11-50 are a lot softer than the brackets you find if you join on day one.

Unrelated to the main topic, but useful: when do you "join" an event? When you play the first match in that event or when you first click the event? i.e. I opened the current Starfall event and read the reward list as soon as it appeared, but I haven't played any match yet. Am I in or out?

First match.
You don't even have to win it, a loss counts as 'joining a bracket'.

Unknown

Im almost in the same place right now. I have a few maxed 2*s (thor, obw, ares) and a couple 3* in the 80s-90s range, however I seem to be getting hit by and getting matched up against a lot of people with multiple 141's. The system doesnt seem to realize that having 2 3*s above level 85 but not high enough or max covered to be better than 2*s is not the same as being a full 3* player. In fact, I have been so afraid of it getting worse that I have stopped leveling my highest character (punisher) at 98 even though I could bring him to around 115. This is bad design, when you fear leveling up because you wont be able to advance. I have been getting hit so hard lately by people with full 141s that I cant even get past 500 points in an event anymore, which barely puts my in the range to get a 2* cover. My only new source of 3* covers is from season progression, random tokens, and a lucky pve placement once a month or so.

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Nemek wrote:

Toxicadam wrote:

MMR Hell is when you are deep into a tournament and are hitting skip and only getting the same 3-4 opponents (usually for less than 20 points each).

Yes, that is the correct usage of the term.

Do you remember zero point hell?
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3429

mohio

Not sure how helpful this will be, but just wanted to share my experience. I have been running either a 128 LT/85 OBW or 141 Pun/OBW team for the past 2 months and have missed top 10 just 2 or 3 times (only once when not in a bracket of death, and that was because of oversleeping my shield running out ). Obviously at first I was still in the 2* land, and all the tinkerings with MMR that have been going on lately were not around. Shortly after that and basically the whole time until now I have been somewhere on the border of max 141 and 141/85 teams. Sometimes I'll see loaner/141/141, sometimes high featured/141/85, sometimes 212/141/141, you get the idea. Anyways, this past set of LR, I made an effort to play in all of them to farm for iso, but I also don't care for placement since let's face it, the tokens suck. Anyway, I'd get to the 100 pt progression and put in my tank team. I suppose I tanked enough because the first 5-700 points of this PvP have been against mostly 85s (and I could have done it all, but I usually skip around for higher point matches (30+ if possible), so I ran into some 141/85 teams too).

Anyway, point is, tanking isn't completely dead. Try doing the old LR tank method, also another way to get somewhat high is to get up to 700 or so with about 1.5 days left. Let everyone hit you down to wherever, then you hopefully have some juicy retals when you make your final push at the 9hr mark (or whenever you decide you want to make your push).

Clintman

Bugpop wrote:

Nemek wrote:

Toxicadam wrote:

MMR Hell is when you are deep into a tournament and are hitting skip and only getting the same 3-4 opponents (usually for less than 20 points each).

Yes, that is the correct usage of the term.

Do you remember zero point hell?
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3429

The correct term is "Working As Intended"

Unknown

I'm beginning to think the solution is to simply quit the game. It has been 4 or 5 tournaments in a row struggling to break 500 or 600 points. This takes many hours. If the solution is losing some matches well, I do plenty of that. Waiting for health packs over and over. Tanking every lightning round I can. Still can't do anything. When all your 2* are maxed but you can't regularly get top 50 in pvp...what are you accomplishing?