Experiment 3: New Release 4* to Ascended 5* timeline

Pantera236

@entrailbucket said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Is he in the correct party order to eat the charge tiles?

Also it’s pretty fun to spend half a year grinding possible counter to find out they suck actually lol.

Yes.

Also, every team I fought in the House of X event was Polaris/m'Thor, so he should work even better -- he eats charged tiles and special tiles. I thought maybe they were using Polaris to stun him, so I put the Hellfire Club support on him (if he would be stunned, turn him invisible for that many turns).

No effect whatsoever. I got slammed. He seems to be completely ineffective as a counter for either character.

Just to clarify, were you having trouble beating Jane Polaris yourself or that you were getting more than usual reds? Also to be fair MMR was all over the place this event.

entrailbucket

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Is he in the correct party order to eat the charge tiles?

Also it’s pretty fun to spend half a year grinding possible counter to find out they suck actually lol.

Yes.

Also, every team I fought in the House of X event was Polaris/m'Thor, so he should work even better -- he eats charged tiles and special tiles. I thought maybe they were using Polaris to stun him, so I put the Hellfire Club support on him (if he would be stunned, turn him invisible for that many turns).

No effect whatsoever. I got slammed. He seems to be completely ineffective as a counter for either character.

Just to clarify, were you having trouble beating Jane Polaris yourself or that you were getting more than usual reds? Also to be fair MMR was all over the place this event.

I had no trouble beating them. I have never had any trouble beating them, with any team.

I was losing to them on defense. I don't think matchmaking has any effect on this -- I was fighting with and being attacked by the same 550 crowd I always see.

Some of us were excited about Black King because it seemed like he'd counter m'Thor (and Polaris!) on defense. He does not, AT ALL. Total failure.

Pantera236

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Is he in the correct party order to eat the charge tiles?

Also it’s pretty fun to spend half a year grinding possible counter to find out they suck actually lol.

Yes.

Also, every team I fought in the House of X event was Polaris/m'Thor, so he should work even better -- he eats charged tiles and special tiles. I thought maybe they were using Polaris to stun him, so I put the Hellfire Club support on him (if he would be stunned, turn him invisible for that many turns).

No effect whatsoever. I got slammed. He seems to be completely ineffective as a counter for either character.

Just to clarify, were you having trouble beating Jane Polaris yourself or that you were getting more than usual reds? Also to be fair MMR was all over the place this event.

I had no trouble beating them. I have never had any trouble beating them, with any team.

I was losing to them on defense. I don't think matchmaking has any effect on this -- I was fighting with and being attacked by the same 550 crowd I always see.

Some of us were excited about Black King because it seemed like he'd counter m'Thor (and Polaris!) on defense. He does not, AT ALL. Total failure.

Could've been people excited to try out hitting Shaw. I also think most were excited about Shaw for offense not defense. I'm also in like a 3rd camp of I've never had trouble beating her and most people that hit me are using something else and would figure out how to beat me no matter what I used.

entrailbucket

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Is he in the correct party order to eat the charge tiles?

Also it’s pretty fun to spend half a year grinding possible counter to find out they suck actually lol.

Yes.

Also, every team I fought in the House of X event was Polaris/m'Thor, so he should work even better -- he eats charged tiles and special tiles. I thought maybe they were using Polaris to stun him, so I put the Hellfire Club support on him (if he would be stunned, turn him invisible for that many turns).

No effect whatsoever. I got slammed. He seems to be completely ineffective as a counter for either character.

Just to clarify, were you having trouble beating Jane Polaris yourself or that you were getting more than usual reds? Also to be fair MMR was all over the place this event.

I had no trouble beating them. I have never had any trouble beating them, with any team.

I was losing to them on defense. I don't think matchmaking has any effect on this -- I was fighting with and being attacked by the same 550 crowd I always see.

Some of us were excited about Black King because it seemed like he'd counter m'Thor (and Polaris!) on defense. He does not, AT ALL. Total failure.

Could've been people excited to try out hitting Shaw. I also think most were excited about Shaw for offense not defense. I'm also in like a 3rd camp of I've never had trouble beating her and most people that hit me are using something else and would figure out how to beat me no matter what I used.

Competitive players like me want to keep our points. I want a team that's strong on offense and defense. I'm aware that many players don't care about losses, but I thought we weren't supposed to tell other players "the right way" to play the game?

Everyone who beat me was using that team. In fact, practically everyone was using that team. Pretty funny that a huge range of excellent characters were getting a +100lvl boost, and everyone chose to use an unboosted character.

I guess it's possible that Shaw isn't high enough level -- mine was 570 or so with the boost, and m'Thor is functionally about 100 levels higher than any other character. Maybe if Shaw was 672 she'd have trouble with him?

Pantera236

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Is he in the correct party order to eat the charge tiles?

Also it’s pretty fun to spend half a year grinding possible counter to find out they suck actually lol.

Yes.

Also, every team I fought in the House of X event was Polaris/m'Thor, so he should work even better -- he eats charged tiles and special tiles. I thought maybe they were using Polaris to stun him, so I put the Hellfire Club support on him (if he would be stunned, turn him invisible for that many turns).

No effect whatsoever. I got slammed. He seems to be completely ineffective as a counter for either character.

Just to clarify, were you having trouble beating Jane Polaris yourself or that you were getting more than usual reds? Also to be fair MMR was all over the place this event.

I had no trouble beating them. I have never had any trouble beating them, with any team.

I was losing to them on defense. I don't think matchmaking has any effect on this -- I was fighting with and being attacked by the same 550 crowd I always see.

Some of us were excited about Black King because it seemed like he'd counter m'Thor (and Polaris!) on defense. He does not, AT ALL. Total failure.

Could've been people excited to try out hitting Shaw. I also think most were excited about Shaw for offense not defense. I'm also in like a 3rd camp of I've never had trouble beating her and most people that hit me are using something else and would figure out how to beat me no matter what I used.

Competitive players like me want to keep our points. I want a team that's strong on offense snd defense. I'm aware that many players don't care about losses, but I thought we weren't supposed to tell other players "the right way" to play the game?

Everyone who beat me was using that team. In fact, practically everyone was using that team. Pretty funny that a huge range of excellent characters were getting a +100lvl boost, and everyone chose to use an unboosted character.

I guess it's possible that Shaw isn't high enough level -- mine was 570 or so with the boost, and m'Thor is functionally about 100 levels higher than any other character. Maybe if Shaw was 672 she'd have trouble with him?

I didn't say anything that could be took as me telling anyone the right way to play the game. I gave 2 options of what I thought could be happening and then my personal experience.

entrailbucket

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Is he in the correct party order to eat the charge tiles?

Also it’s pretty fun to spend half a year grinding possible counter to find out they suck actually lol.

Yes.

Also, every team I fought in the House of X event was Polaris/m'Thor, so he should work even better -- he eats charged tiles and special tiles. I thought maybe they were using Polaris to stun him, so I put the Hellfire Club support on him (if he would be stunned, turn him invisible for that many turns).

No effect whatsoever. I got slammed. He seems to be completely ineffective as a counter for either character.

Just to clarify, were you having trouble beating Jane Polaris yourself or that you were getting more than usual reds? Also to be fair MMR was all over the place this event.

I had no trouble beating them. I have never had any trouble beating them, with any team.

I was losing to them on defense. I don't think matchmaking has any effect on this -- I was fighting with and being attacked by the same 550 crowd I always see.

Some of us were excited about Black King because it seemed like he'd counter m'Thor (and Polaris!) on defense. He does not, AT ALL. Total failure.

Could've been people excited to try out hitting Shaw. I also think most were excited about Shaw for offense not defense. I'm also in like a 3rd camp of I've never had trouble beating her and most people that hit me are using something else and would figure out how to beat me no matter what I used.

Competitive players like me want to keep our points. I want a team that's strong on offense snd defense. I'm aware that many players don't care about losses, but I thought we weren't supposed to tell other players "the right way" to play the game?

Everyone who beat me was using that team. In fact, practically everyone was using that team. Pretty funny that a huge range of excellent characters were getting a +100lvl boost, and everyone chose to use an unboosted character.

I guess it's possible that Shaw isn't high enough level -- mine was 570 or so with the boost, and m'Thor is functionally about 100 levels higher than any other character. Maybe if Shaw was 672 she'd have trouble with him?

I didn't say anything that could be took as me telling anyone the right way to play the game. I gave 2 options of what I thought could be happening and then my personal experience.

Thanks for your input!

Pantera236

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Is he in the correct party order to eat the charge tiles?

Also it’s pretty fun to spend half a year grinding possible counter to find out they suck actually lol.

Yes.

Also, every team I fought in the House of X event was Polaris/m'Thor, so he should work even better -- he eats charged tiles and special tiles. I thought maybe they were using Polaris to stun him, so I put the Hellfire Club support on him (if he would be stunned, turn him invisible for that many turns).

No effect whatsoever. I got slammed. He seems to be completely ineffective as a counter for either character.

Just to clarify, were you having trouble beating Jane Polaris yourself or that you were getting more than usual reds? Also to be fair MMR was all over the place this event.

I had no trouble beating them. I have never had any trouble beating them, with any team.

I was losing to them on defense. I don't think matchmaking has any effect on this -- I was fighting with and being attacked by the same 550 crowd I always see.

Some of us were excited about Black King because it seemed like he'd counter m'Thor (and Polaris!) on defense. He does not, AT ALL. Total failure.

Could've been people excited to try out hitting Shaw. I also think most were excited about Shaw for offense not defense. I'm also in like a 3rd camp of I've never had trouble beating her and most people that hit me are using something else and would figure out how to beat me no matter what I used.

Competitive players like me want to keep our points. I want a team that's strong on offense snd defense. I'm aware that many players don't care about losses, but I thought we weren't supposed to tell other players "the right way" to play the game?

Everyone who beat me was using that team. In fact, practically everyone was using that team. Pretty funny that a huge range of excellent characters were getting a +100lvl boost, and everyone chose to use an unboosted character.

I guess it's possible that Shaw isn't high enough level -- mine was 570 or so with the boost, and m'Thor is functionally about 100 levels higher than any other character. Maybe if Shaw was 672 she'd have trouble with him?

I didn't say anything that could be took as me telling anyone the right way to play the game. I gave 2 options of what I thought could be happening and then my personal experience.

Thanks for your input!

So I'm confused. Was that right way to play directed at someone else?

entrailbucket

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Is he in the correct party order to eat the charge tiles?

Also it’s pretty fun to spend half a year grinding possible counter to find out they suck actually lol.

Yes.

Also, every team I fought in the House of X event was Polaris/m'Thor, so he should work even better -- he eats charged tiles and special tiles. I thought maybe they were using Polaris to stun him, so I put the Hellfire Club support on him (if he would be stunned, turn him invisible for that many turns).

No effect whatsoever. I got slammed. He seems to be completely ineffective as a counter for either character.

Just to clarify, were you having trouble beating Jane Polaris yourself or that you were getting more than usual reds? Also to be fair MMR was all over the place this event.

I had no trouble beating them. I have never had any trouble beating them, with any team.

I was losing to them on defense. I don't think matchmaking has any effect on this -- I was fighting with and being attacked by the same 550 crowd I always see.

Some of us were excited about Black King because it seemed like he'd counter m'Thor (and Polaris!) on defense. He does not, AT ALL. Total failure.

Could've been people excited to try out hitting Shaw. I also think most were excited about Shaw for offense not defense. I'm also in like a 3rd camp of I've never had trouble beating her and most people that hit me are using something else and would figure out how to beat me no matter what I used.

Competitive players like me want to keep our points. I want a team that's strong on offense snd defense. I'm aware that many players don't care about losses, but I thought we weren't supposed to tell other players "the right way" to play the game?

Everyone who beat me was using that team. In fact, practically everyone was using that team. Pretty funny that a huge range of excellent characters were getting a +100lvl boost, and everyone chose to use an unboosted character.

I guess it's possible that Shaw isn't high enough level -- mine was 570 or so with the boost, and m'Thor is functionally about 100 levels higher than any other character. Maybe if Shaw was 672 she'd have trouble with him?

I didn't say anything that could be took as me telling anyone the right way to play the game. I gave 2 options of what I thought could be happening and then my personal experience.

Thanks for your input!

So I'm confused. Was that right way to play directed at someone else?

The response I always get about m'Thor is that she's fine, because even though she beats everything trivially, she's relatively easy to beat, and no one should ever care about losing on defense. That sure seemed to be what you were saying.

ThaRoadWarrior

I’ve noticed everyone in my MMR is running Goose and Omega Red. It’s probably the optimal event setup for Goose; I’ve been using Electro and Elektra against it, I’ll probably try Gamora to kill all the damage reduction in this event and see if that is any good. Haven’t seen much Polaris, and seen 0 Shaw. This is the juggernaut event, btw. I didn’t spend a ton of time in house of X.

Domitronas

Goose is insane due to all the AoE happening, both from OR and Juggs himself.

entrailbucket

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Is he in the correct party order to eat the charge tiles?

Also it’s pretty fun to spend half a year grinding possible counter to find out they suck actually lol.

Yes.

Also, every team I fought in the House of X event was Polaris/m'Thor, so he should work even better -- he eats charged tiles and special tiles. I thought maybe they were using Polaris to stun him, so I put the Hellfire Club support on him (if he would be stunned, turn him invisible for that many turns).

No effect whatsoever. I got slammed. He seems to be completely ineffective as a counter for either character.

Just to clarify, were you having trouble beating Jane Polaris yourself or that you were getting more than usual reds? Also to be fair MMR was all over the place this event.

I had no trouble beating them. I have never had any trouble beating them, with any team.

I was losing to them on defense. I don't think matchmaking has any effect on this -- I was fighting with and being attacked by the same 550 crowd I always see.

Some of us were excited about Black King because it seemed like he'd counter m'Thor (and Polaris!) on defense. He does not, AT ALL. Total failure.

Could've been people excited to try out hitting Shaw. I also think most were excited about Shaw for offense not defense. I'm also in like a 3rd camp of I've never had trouble beating her and most people that hit me are using something else and would figure out how to beat me no matter what I used.

Meant to call this out too -- every team is beatable, you're correct about that. In a rock/paper/scissors metagame, if I'm running rock and you throw scissors, you lose. You change to paper and win. That's a healthy metagame.

In this case, a lot of folks thought Shaw was, finally, our rock -- players would have to use some non-m'Thor team to take him down. He is not. He doesn't even slow her down. I've not yet found a team that does, and I don't believe one exists.

BriMan2222

That's weird, cause my alliance chat is all about how tough shaw is if you try and take him on with Polaris/mthor and how you need to stun him asap or you will get crushed. One of my ally mates was saying he was doing 50k match damage against them.

entrailbucket

@BriMan2222 said:
That's weird, cause my alliance chat is all about how tough shaw is if you try and take him on with Polaris/mthor and how you need to stun him asap or you will get crushed. One of my ally mates was saying he was doing 50k match damage against them.

I got stomped. Players were beating me in like 2 minutes, over and over again.

TheXMan

Is it possible that Polaris is the bigger problem? Who are the best counters to Polaris?

ThaRoadWarrior

I don’t think there is a defensive counter to Polaris really.

JoeHandle

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Is he in the correct party order to eat the charge tiles?

Also it’s pretty fun to spend half a year grinding possible counter to find out they suck actually lol.

Yes.

Also, every team I fought in the House of X event was Polaris/m'Thor, so he should work even better -- he eats charged tiles and special tiles. I thought maybe they were using Polaris to stun him, so I put the Hellfire Club support on him (if he would be stunned, turn him invisible for that many turns).

No effect whatsoever. I got slammed. He seems to be completely ineffective as a counter for either character.

Just to clarify, were you having trouble beating Jane Polaris yourself or that you were getting more than usual reds? Also to be fair MMR was all over the place this event.

I had no trouble beating them. I have never had any trouble beating them, with any team.

I was losing to them on defense. I don't think matchmaking has any effect on this -- I was fighting with and being attacked by the same 550 crowd I always see.

Some of us were excited about Black King because it seemed like he'd counter m'Thor (and Polaris!) on defense. He does not, AT ALL. Total failure.

Could've been people excited to try out hitting Shaw. I also think most were excited about Shaw for offense not defense. I'm also in like a 3rd camp of I've never had trouble beating her and most people that hit me are using something else and would figure out how to beat me no matter what I used.

Meant to call this out too -- every team is beatable, you're correct about that. In a rock/paper/scissors metagame, if I'm running rock and you throw scissors, you lose. You change to paper and win. That's a healthy metagame.

In this case, a lot of folks thought Shaw was, finally, our rock -- players would have to use some non-m'Thor team to take him down. He is not. He doesn't even slow her down. I've not yet found a team that does, and I don't believe one exists.

What? You telling me 5Miles doesn't slow her down by tying her charged tiles up in sticky web knots? (this is a joke).

Best counter I have for mThor, which gets used in Sim a lot, is BRB, Polaris, and Medusa. Leave mThor unstunned and let her do her thing, until I have so much AP I have to burn it off. Usually finish with near zero dmg. .... usually

I guess it's possible that Shaw isn't high enough level -- mine was 570 or so with the boost, and m'Thor is functionally about 100 levels higher than any other character. Maybe if Shaw was 672 she'd have trouble with him?

Doesn't sound like a fair test ... but it will be a long, loooooooooooong time before the mere mortals in this thread have a maxchamped 5* Shaw ... another 300 covers after spending half a year coming up with the first 226 ... yeesh.

St_Bernadus

Ugh so guess I just ascend my Shaw now and move to a new favorite. Any suggestions? 😆

entrailbucket

@St_Bernadus said:
Ugh so guess I just ascend my Shaw now and move to a new favorite. Any suggestions? 😆

M'baku, Coulson, Juggernaut, America Chavez, Polaris...I could keep going! It depends on your specific goals and what you like doing.

JoeHandle

@St_Bernadus said:
Ugh so guess I just ascend my Shaw now and move to a new favorite. Any suggestions? 😆

Depends on your roster and preferences .... there are a lot of effective ascended 4s, beyond what bucket listed. Medusa, XFW, Blob ... some recent releases might be good, like LadyOctopus. Dunno yet.

I've decided that my next longer-term ascension project will be ... Namor! Why Namor? Because ... I like Namor. He should been a 5 star to begin with! And ... having crunched the numbers, Namor has, since his release, been the slowest growing 4* ... by far! Have added ONE cover to him every 14 days played. I have yet to maxchamp the first copy—but he's finally close!—soooo ... at this rate, it will take .... let's see .... 4.3 years to ascend him. So I will give him a gentle push!

St_Bernadus

Have several of those Ascended already, but keep seeing Blob and MBaku.