Experiment 3: New Release 4* to Ascended 5* timeline

BriMan2222

@BriMan2222 said:
I don't remember why exactly, but one of my alliance mates who ascended gorr warned the rest of us not to because he's one whose abilities gets worse after ascension

Okay, so it's not that his powers get worse, he just gets worse with okoye, but that's who everyone uses him with for pve.

It's fine until he clears enemy tiles then his match damage jumps up and he tanks almost everything

So if you don't care about pairing him with okoye to speed clear pve then it's fine.

ThaRoadWarrior

I just went through and read his powers, those do seem pretty good if you're up against a polaris team.

golden oldie is now fully covered, so I'm back to favoriting whatever 5* has the most shards until Jubilee hits Latest. Shaw is 309. 3* Scarlet Witch dupe is 241, getting close to ascension. It certainly seems like taking shaw from fresh-roster to 5* will be much faster than taking a 3* character to 5* for whatever that's worth.

Useless roster trivia: America Chavez is my 15th highest level character at 471(tied with 5 others, but sorted above alphabetically i guess), and my next closest ascended character is at 461 (frost). Loads of natural born 5s in between.

I've been cutting back on how much I care about completing progression; i probably haven't hit full progression on the last 3 or 4 PVE events and I'm barely in PVP. Just kind of burned out on it a little bit.

rainkingucd

@BriMan2222 said:

@BriMan2222 said:
I don't remember why exactly, but one of my alliance mates who ascended gorr warned the rest of us not to because he's one whose abilities gets worse after ascension

Okay, so it's not that his powers get worse, he just gets worse with okoye, but that's who everyone uses him with for pve.

It's fine until he clears enemy tiles then his match damage jumps up and he tanks almost everything

So if you don't care about pairing him with okoye to speed clear pve then it's fine.

His yellow also gets worse (like 4* Ghost Rider)

• 4* - each minion reduces damage by 10% (max 50%)
• 5* - each minion reduces damage by 6% (max 30%)

ThaRoadWarrior

That seems significantly worse

rainkingucd

@ThaRoadWarrior said:

Shaw is 309. 3* Scarlet Witch dupe is 241, getting close to ascension. It certainly seems like taking shaw from fresh-roster to 5* will be much faster than taking a 3* character to 5* for whatever that's worth.

I think you're right there. In your Grand Experiment 2 thread, I decided that with Goose's release I was going to get her ascended to 5*, and she's been my favourite 3* target ever since. That started in November. I max-max ascended her, and she is currently at 329. A full 7 months to get ~325 3* covers, with my estimates being ~1 year to ascend her to 5* if I ascend her with a 271 dupe.

In contrast, my Shaw is at 345 after an end of March release date. 2 months to get to 88 4* covers, so maybe another 2 months or so to get him ascended at my rate.

not sure if @dianetics or @Tiger_Wong focused on any 3* to compare to their Shaw ascensions, but in my data it seems 3->5 ascension is 3x as long as 4->5 ascension

dianetics

I have no desire to pop any 3->5. There is no kit down there that I like a whole lot, well maybe May.
If I did not do 300 LL pulls to get a fat X-23 I would likely be in the 320 range. I pushed for Shaw because I wanted both him and X-23.
If there is no LL you want, then 2-3 months seems reasonable.
Bonus shards for 4 and 5 are huge in comparison to bonus shards for 3s.

Back of the hand guess work on roughly how long it takes to max a 3 seems like a full year. If they are targetted maybe 8 months?

ThaRoadWarrior

It’s so interesting how that has changed. Definitely used to be that a specific 3* cover was the easiest thing you could chase in this game in the bonus hero days.

JoeHandle

When I have a single favorite 3*, they add 2 covers a day.

It takes at minimum 552 covers to max+min one all the way to lvl 450, 276 days of being the sole favorite.

Maximum of 852 if max+maxing all the way. 426 days of favoriting.

If it's a new character, the covers from the release cycle are huge, usually get new ones to around 320, so say 60 covers, or 30 days off the above times.

Covers from all other sources average 8/month per 3*, unless featured in a vault or token, etc.

Sooo ....

552 - 60 = 492 / (2+8/30) = 217 days
852 - 60 = 792 / (2+8/30) = 349 days

FWiW, my own approach to 3s is to max+max as 3s, merge 370 + 303 as 4s. So that's ...

652 - 60 = 592 / (2+8/30) = 261 days

.... but am I ever going to keep the same 3 the only favorite that long ... Very unlikely!

EDIT to add: today's 3Kang ascension chain offer suggests maybe I should have mentioned those here. They offer (IIRC) ...

10 covers total for $10 total ... 4 days progress on my theoretical solo favorite 3* project ... a literal drop in the bucket, $2.50/day.

50 covers total for $30 total ... 22 days ... that can be 10% of the total time ... if this was a gameplay changing character, this gets more tempting ... $1.36/day.

126 covers total for $80 total ... 56 days of progress, now that's a chunk! ... $1.43 a day tho.

Is that 3rd step $40 or $50? I can't remember for sure ATM.

There are ofc other items at each step in these chains, and if you need HP that can represent a good chunk of the asking price. I have bought into a couple of these, several 1st steps, and 2 second steps, IIRC ... but with 60+ 3s in game, this is too spendy to make a habit of for me!

Timemachinego

@dianetics said:
I have no desire to pop any 3->5. There is no kit down there that I like a whole lot, well maybe May.
If I did not do 300 LL pulls to get a fat X-23 I would likely be in the 320 range. I pushed for Shaw because I wanted both him and X-23.
If there is no LL you want, then 2-3 months seems reasonable.
Bonus shards for 4 and 5 are huge in comparison to bonus shards for 3s.

Back of the hand guess work on roughly how long it takes to max a 3 seems like a full year. If they are targetted maybe 8 months?

May gets significantly worse as a 5 but better as a 4 so that's the stopping point for her. I wish we didn't have to take goofy circumstances like that into consideration.

StillMonsoon3

@StillMonsoon3 said:
Week 4 is complete. Shaw sits at 313 with 220 shards, so a gain of 12 levels. Hoping to have him max leveled in 8 weeks.

A bit late in updating, but Shaw is now at Level 319 w/327 shards through 5 weeks. Will probably add quite a few covers when LL tokens up. Will probably open 100, so hopefully some big gains.

ThaRoadWarrior

My own Shaw is 311 with 337 shards.

Random observation, but it only just occurred to me that the iso price to champ a 4 and 5* are basically max level times 1000 iso - roughly ~370k and 550k respectively, with some change and the champ tax applied.

ThaRoadWarrior

I ascended 4* Carnage the other day, and had to early ascend 3* bullseye in order to make room for 3/5 spider-girl. Weird feeling like I had loads of slots right after ascension to being roster pinched again.

Domitronas

Shaw is now at 368, but I'm having my doubts about ascending him asap just because of the recent controversy with Jubilee. Might put some levels on the dupe just to be safe.. or even do a max max

JoeHandle

I haven't focused on him, but he is up to 310. Only 173 covers to go!

dianetics

@Domitronas said:
Shaw is now at 368, but I'm having my doubts about ascending him asap just because of the recent controversy with Jubilee. Might put some levels on the dupe just to be safe.. or even do a max max

If you are going to PvP he is worth it as a SheThor check. I use him at 450 to shutdown 500+ SheThors.

If you dont pvp as much he isnt worth it.

St_Bernadus

My Shaw is up to level 326 now.

ThaRoadWarrior

Mine is at 318

StillMonsoon3

I'm now 6 weeks into this. Ended up opening more LL than planned (approximately 200). Shaw is now Level 347 with 393 shards. Can feel the end right around corner.

entrailbucket

Mine hit 370 yesterday. Building the dupe always seems to take forever though!

ThaRoadWarrior

Mine got to 320 today. Inching along!