I think she looks very good. Kitty, Wong, Ultron, Nico. All great partners.
"X-23 erupts with unrelenting rage. Create a 2-turn Scarlet Storm Countdown tile. While this tile is on the board, X-23 deals 90% increased damage, she gains 45% increased effect from Strike tiles, and at the start of her turn, drain 2 Red AP to create 1 strength 89 Strike tile. If your team does not have enough AP to drain, instead convert all Scarlet Storm tiles to Basic tiles."
Does the 45% increase effect from strikes come into play on attack tiles?
@entrailbucket said: @allen_koholic said: Instead of whining about ascension vs rewards, can we go back to whining about how this toon kinda sucks? I see a bunch of cheap multihit powers that are primed to be boosted by any of the various power boosters or strike tile guys -- I wouldn't say she "sucks" at all. Maybe others can do her particular job better, but having another choice for that role isn't a bad thing.
@entrailbucket said:
@allen_koholic said: Instead of whining about ascension vs rewards, can we go back to whining about how this toon kinda sucks?
I see a bunch of cheap multihit powers that are primed to be boosted by any of the various power boosters or strike tile guys -- I wouldn't say she "sucks" at all. Maybe others can do her particular job better, but having another choice for that role isn't a bad thing.
Yeah, I dont think she sucks at all. She's definitely better than some of the recent DOA duds.
@Codex said: "X-23 erupts with unrelenting rage. Create a 2-turn Scarlet Storm Countdown tile. While this tile is on the board, X-23 deals 90% increased damage, she gains 45% increased effect from Strike tiles, and at the start of her turn, drain 2 Red AP to create 1 strength 89 Strike tile. If your team does not have enough AP to drain, instead convert all Scarlet Storm tiles to Basic tiles." Does the 45% increase effect from strikes come into play on attack tiles?
@Codex said: "X-23 erupts with unrelenting rage. Create a 2-turn Scarlet Storm Countdown tile. While this tile is on the board, X-23 deals 90% increased damage, she gains 45% increased effect from Strike tiles, and at the start of her turn, drain 2 Red AP to create 1 strength 89 Strike tile. If your team does not have enough AP to drain, instead convert all Scarlet Storm tiles to Basic tiles."
Probably not.
@S0kun said: (PASSIVE) If a Scarlet Storm tile exists, X-23’s matches deal damage twice.
@S0kun said:
(PASSIVE) If a Scarlet Storm tile exists, X-23’s matches deal damage twice.
@S0kun Does this apply to match damage or abilities?
@Bzhai said: @S0kun said: (PASSIVE) If a Scarlet Storm tile exists, X-23’s matches deal damage twice. @S0kun Does this apply to match damage or abilities?
@Bzhai said:
Emphasis added. Why would this apply to abilities?
Seriously, if you have a gripe about ascension retro rewards, start a new thread. They warned you about this in the Nico thread, but I get it that this situation was different since she already had a 5* she was feeding. Still, that should be another thread. This thread should be about the new character and how we can use her.
She looks to be pretty nasty honestly. If Scarlet Storm is out then her green is going to shred opponents. Since there are so many modifiers to account for its going to be (back hand math guess) 50k damage for 6 green. Plus she gets a nearly double bonus from strikes. Not sure if she would be better to run with a booster of a strike generator, but Ultron with low level AI looks like another option aside from the already mentioned strike tile usual suspects.
Also, X-23 already had a feeder. She fed Samurai Daken. So the general rule of don't ascend if the character does not have a feeder doesn't really apply here. I didn't ascend here, but can understand peoples frustration.
@DAZ0273 said: @Xax said: @DAZ0273 said: So are we just making new 5* based on puns now? This isn't an MPQ original character. She actually appeared in comics. No way!!!! In some ways that makes this even desperately worse!!!! I can forgive a games developer a terrible pun! I mean...who looked at X-23 and thought "Nah, needs more magic!" or more likely "Need a new X-23, think, think...uhm...weapon X, X, sex? No too..porn. Uhm...Weapon Trek? Lady Wolverine Starfleet Officer! No...probably get sued...come on, deadline is in 5 minutes...wait, I have it. HEX! Send that to the artist right now!"
@DAZ0273 said:
@Xax said: @DAZ0273 said: So are we just making new 5* based on puns now? This isn't an MPQ original character. She actually appeared in comics.
@Xax said:
@DAZ0273 said: So are we just making new 5* based on puns now?
This isn't an MPQ original character. She actually appeared in comics.
No way!!!! In some ways that makes this even desperately worse!!!! I can forgive a games developer a terrible pun!
I mean...who looked at X-23 and thought "Nah, needs more magic!" or more likely "Need a new X-23, think, think...uhm...weapon X, X, sex? No too..porn. Uhm...Weapon Trek? Lady Wolverine Starfleet Officer! No...probably get sued...come on, deadline is in 5 minutes...wait, I have it. HEX! Send that to the artist right now!"
Wait until they release Diamond Patch.
Mod note: Separated the retro feeder reward issue into its own thread here: https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/89698/discussion-on-retro-rewards-policy-in-regard-to-character-ascension/p1. If you wish to discuss that point, please use that thread.
While I understand it's an issue related to the character release, the issue was drowning out discussion regarding the character's tool kit and potential synergy so I thought it best to make a separate thread so members can focus on that issue without hindering other fruitful discussion.
Hey I talked about the 5 herself too, where's my forum chasm as compensation?
Question about her green though. How does it work if there's only 1 enemy left, 2? Most people assume the 3rd and 4th hits need different targets but it's worded in a strange/new way so it could be anything.
She certainly has an intriguing power set:
The main issue is that from my understanding, you are going to want to hold off on using her red power until you have enough AP to use her green. Even though it says she creates a 4-turn CD at level 5, if you don't have the 2 Red AP to pay the strike tile fee, it seems the CD tile will revert to a basic tile and I assume you lose all of its benefits.
It's a shame she overlaps so many colors with Wong but I can still see her making some beautiful music with him. I don't know if he would be her best dance partner though.
Although I prefer more offensive-style teams, I can see her working on a defensive team like: 5* Colossus and Beta Ray Bill, or Beta Ray Bill + Polaris.
And then there's the middle road approach of Colossus and Apocalypse.
Certainly a lot to think about it.
Okay, if we must deviate from the topic the thread chose for itself, I'm interested in the wording on the red power.
There's a passive component but the active part includes "While this tile is on the board, X-23 deals 90% increased damage, [ and ] gains 45% increased effect from Strike tiles" - why is that not in the passive section? Does it stack with multiple tiles?
Doubtful, generally damage increases of the same type do not stack. (ie you either get Apocs bonus damage or Okoyes but not both) I wonder if it will stack with Emma's/SW bonus to percent damage though. It will be interesting to test once her covers come along.
I wonder if that strike booster stacks with Punisher (Max), or if it replaces it, or they just don't interact?
@ThaRoadWarrior said: I wonder if that strike booster stacks with Punisher (Max), or if it replaces it, or they just don't interact?
I never figured I would ever see a question asking whether anything works with Punisher MAX again. Ascension is bonkers.
@DrClever said: Okay, if we must deviate from the topic the thread chose for itself, I'm interested in the wording on the red power. There's a passive component but the active part includes "While this tile is on the board, X-23 deals 90% increased damage, [ and ] gains 45% increased effect from Strike tiles" - why is that not in the passive section? Does it stack with multiple tiles?
@DrClever said: Okay, if we must deviate from the topic the thread chose for itself, I'm interested in the wording on the red power.
As you observed, the active says "While this tile is on the board", but the passive says "If a Scarlet Storm tile exists". This could mean that multiple tiles will stack multiple times. If so, it will probably be an additive increase.
What's more certain is that multiple tiles will drain Red AP even faster, 2 AP per tile per turn.
@MoosePrime said: @DrClever said: Okay, if we must deviate from the topic the thread chose for itself, I'm interested in the wording on the red power. There's a passive component but the active part includes "While this tile is on the board, X-23 deals 90% increased damage, [ and ] gains 45% increased effect from Strike tiles" - why is that not in the passive section? Does it stack with multiple tiles? As you observed, the active says "While this tile is on the board", but the passive says "If a Scarlet Storm tile exists". This could mean that multiple tiles will stack multiple times. If so, it will probably be an additive increase. What's more certain is that multiple tiles will drain Red AP even faster, 2 AP per tile per turn.
@MoosePrime said:
It could also mean that they're bad with words. We've seen it before.
It may also mean that she can take advantage of enemy owned tiles. Hard to be sure. > @DAZ0273 said:
I haven't ascended him yet, mine is still at 360. Is he on any of the ascension lists anyway? He has a few interesting things he can do, putting your team to sleep being one of them. Well, it would be one of them if Black Panther ever rebalances.
I would think Polaris and Valkyrie would be fun. Chase Valkyrie bounties getting plenty of red while Polaris fills the board with pain and heals.