Kate Bishop Rebalance?

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  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2023

    @sambrookjm said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I've made this comparison numerous times myself: "If you can ever fire off any of her abilities, she hits like a truck. But they all cost too much to use in a normal match." - True about both Kate Bishop and 5-star Widow.

    I am only quoting you so I can once again revel in the glorious Dad joke that is your signature. B)B) (which doesn't show up of course but it is the thought that counts!)

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards

    @dianetics said:
    That’s actually the node I use to mess around with different 4s. Use teams I haven’t used in years… etc. since placement doesn’t matter you can have fun with that node and the 3* node

    Yeah 100% this and also Big Enchillada (I think it is that one?) where you can use who you like.

  • MoosePrime
    MoosePrime Posts: 969 Critical Contributor
    edited May 2023

    @Blackstone said:
    It's just as likely a wall of text will be added to give her an overly complicated affiliation based passive that'll be even less useful than her AP costs.

    Also, the abilities will have several choices of effects, none of which are obvious what they do.

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 603 Critical Contributor

    @Domitronas said:

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    There's no rush to complete Deadpool Daily.

    And I was responding to someone that said they never use Kate because they're in 5* land.

    Not using Kate because she's not part of a faster pick three 4* combination is a different conversation. It means you use 4*s when needed but don't choose Kate because you have something better.

    I think that illustrates a reason for her to be updated. There are worse characters, but maybe there's an easier fix to give you reason to use her.

    I do the node with Kate and Mockingbird because it's fun trying to set up the AI to activate Mockingbird activating Kate to fire her powers for free, and there's no need to worry about doing it quickly or losing placement.

    There's no pressure or need to use meta characters, because there's no benefit from doing it quickly. (Unless you're in hurry due to your schedule) Which is nice after rushing through everything else at specific times with specific teams.

    By all means, use whichever 4s work best for your needs when they are required. But you're suggesting specific 4s to me when I was just asking someone who said they don't use 4s at all because they're in "5 land" if they skip nodes that don't allow 5*s

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 603 Critical Contributor

    @MoosePrime said:

    Also, the abilities will have several choices of effects, none of which are obvious what they do.

    And the only effects worth using will be nearly impossible to achieve.

    Am I really this jaded and cynical?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    It's hard not to be with the way things have been going lately.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,986 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Domitronas said:

    @Blackstone said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I'm in 5* land as well, but certain nodes in Deadpool Daily don't allow you to use 5*s.

    Do you not do those? Just curious.

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    Why do you need speed to do the 4* node in DDQ? Personally I love to use various 4* mix n match ups.

    Because DDQ is a competition!!! I have an entire folder full of screenshots of #1 finishes in DDQ.

    That's about the only game mode where I can still see a #1 next to my name, based solely on speed (PvP is only about outside coordination, and PvE requires optimizing your play via some kind of spreadsheet now).

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Domitronas said:

    @Blackstone said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I'm in 5* land as well, but certain nodes in Deadpool Daily don't allow you to use 5*s.

    Do you not do those? Just curious.

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    Why do you need speed to do the 4* node in DDQ? Personally I love to use various 4* mix n match ups.

    Because DDQ is a competition!!! I have an entire folder full of screenshots of #1 finishes in DDQ.

    That's about the only game mode where I can still see a #1 next to my name, based solely on speed (PvP is only about outside coordination, and PvE requires optimizing your play via some kind of spreadsheet now).

    What was your prize for winning (I guess a neat screenshot is prize enough?)

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Domitronas said:

    @Blackstone said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I'm in 5* land as well, but certain nodes in Deadpool Daily don't allow you to use 5*s.

    Do you not do those? Just curious.

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    Why do you need speed to do the 4* node in DDQ? Personally I love to use various 4* mix n match ups.

    Because DDQ is a competition!!! I have an entire folder full of screenshots of #1 finishes in DDQ.

    That's about the only game mode where I can still see a #1 next to my name, based solely on speed (PvP is only about outside coordination, and PvE requires optimizing your play via some kind of spreadsheet now).

    Aren't you getting 1st every pvp?

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards

    Oh I should mention that I think my prize is better coz I get to play as the Invaders or maybe Alpha Flight (including Wolvie not cheating!) or the Runaways or the SHIELD girls. It is a lot of fun!

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Domitronas said:

    @Blackstone said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I'm in 5* land as well, but certain nodes in Deadpool Daily don't allow you to use 5*s.

    Do you not do those? Just curious.

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    Why do you need speed to do the 4* node in DDQ? Personally I love to use various 4* mix n match ups.

    Because DDQ is a competition!!! I have an entire folder full of screenshots of #1 finishes in DDQ.

    That's about the only game mode where I can still see a #1 next to my name, based solely on speed (PvP is only about outside coordination, and PvE requires optimizing your play via some kind of spreadsheet now).

    Aren't you getting 1st every pvp?

    I saw some guys roster the other day that looks like it would swat even Bucket...crikey he had about 40 550s...I have seen him on the forums in the past, I even took the mild Mickey out of him without realising he was an MPQ god...

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,285 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Bowgentle said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Domitronas said:

    @Blackstone said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I'm in 5* land as well, but certain nodes in Deadpool Daily don't allow you to use 5*s.

    Do you not do those? Just curious.

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    Why do you need speed to do the 4* node in DDQ? Personally I love to use various 4* mix n match ups.

    Because DDQ is a competition!!! I have an entire folder full of screenshots of #1 finishes in DDQ.

    That's about the only game mode where I can still see a #1 next to my name, based solely on speed (PvP is only about outside coordination, and PvE requires optimizing your play via some kind of spreadsheet now).

    Aren't you getting 1st every pvp?

    I saw some guys roster the other day that looks like it would swat even Bucket...crikey he had about 40 550s...I have seen him on the forums in the past, I even took the mild Mickey out of him without realising he was an MPQ god...

    Was he baking a cup cake (or whatever it's termed these days) at the time? Otherwise hard to imagine you being able to queue his roster. If he was, I'm picturing the Samuel L Jackson 'I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance' scene from Pulp Fiction occurring when he saw hit.

    KGB

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Bowgentle said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Domitronas said:

    @Blackstone said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I'm in 5* land as well, but certain nodes in Deadpool Daily don't allow you to use 5*s.

    Do you not do those? Just curious.

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    Why do you need speed to do the 4* node in DDQ? Personally I love to use various 4* mix n match ups.

    Because DDQ is a competition!!! I have an entire folder full of screenshots of #1 finishes in DDQ.

    That's about the only game mode where I can still see a #1 next to my name, based solely on speed (PvP is only about outside coordination, and PvE requires optimizing your play via some kind of spreadsheet now).

    Aren't you getting 1st every pvp?

    I saw some guys roster the other day that looks like it would swat even Bucket...crikey he had about 40 550s...I have seen him on the forums in the past, I even took the mild Mickey out of him without realising he was an MPQ god...

    The big guys mostly stick to the high point slices, though they do visit s5 occasionally.
    Very rarely s2.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Bowgentle said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Domitronas said:

    @Blackstone said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I'm in 5* land as well, but certain nodes in Deadpool Daily don't allow you to use 5*s.

    Do you not do those? Just curious.

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    Why do you need speed to do the 4* node in DDQ? Personally I love to use various 4* mix n match ups.

    Because DDQ is a competition!!! I have an entire folder full of screenshots of #1 finishes in DDQ.

    That's about the only game mode where I can still see a #1 next to my name, based solely on speed (PvP is only about outside coordination, and PvE requires optimizing your play via some kind of spreadsheet now).

    Aren't you getting 1st every pvp?

    I saw some guys roster the other day that looks like it would swat even Bucket...crikey he had about 40 550s...I have seen him on the forums in the past, I even took the mild Mickey out of him without realising he was an MPQ god...

    Was he baking a cup cake (or whatever it's termed these days) at the time? Otherwise hard to imagine you being able to queue his roster. If he was, I'm picturing the Samuel L Jackson 'I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance' scene from Pulp Fiction occurring when he saw hit.

    KGB

    Oh no I didn't come across him to fight. I looked at season rankings (I never look at that stuff normally), saw the name and recognised it as the guy I had joked about and so checked out his roster. Then picked my jaw up from the floor, lol!

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Bowgentle said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Domitronas said:

    @Blackstone said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I'm in 5* land as well, but certain nodes in Deadpool Daily don't allow you to use 5*s.

    Do you not do those? Just curious.

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    Why do you need speed to do the 4* node in DDQ? Personally I love to use various 4* mix n match ups.

    Because DDQ is a competition!!! I have an entire folder full of screenshots of #1 finishes in DDQ.

    That's about the only game mode where I can still see a #1 next to my name, based solely on speed (PvP is only about outside coordination, and PvE requires optimizing your play via some kind of spreadsheet now).

    Aren't you getting 1st every pvp?

    I saw some guys roster the other day that looks like it would swat even Bucket...crikey he had about 40 550s...I have seen him on the forums in the past, I even took the mild Mickey out of him without realising he was an MPQ god...

    The big guys mostly stick to the high point slices, though they do visit s5 occasionally.
    Very rarely s2.

    Yeah no way this guy is coming across my radar slice 2 or not, lol! I dunno if he is still no.1 for Season - let me go look.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards

    He is down to second! 41 550s... :#

  • Domitronas
    Domitronas Posts: 179 Tile Toppler

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Domitronas said:

    @Blackstone said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I'm in 5* land as well, but certain nodes in Deadpool Daily don't allow you to use 5*s.

    Do you not do those? Just curious.

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    Why do you need speed to do the 4* node in DDQ? Personally I love to use various 4* mix n match ups.

    Because at the roster stage that I'm in the whole DDQ is completely trivial and the only reason to complete is to get the extra resources. For all I care there could be a "claim all" button that skips the whole charade. Matter of fact, you know well that 90+% of people would click it if given the chance. Make DDQ Heroic and then we can talk about different team-ups etc.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    He doesn't play for season t1, in fact he dumps in the end to make sure he doesn't take first.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,986 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Domitronas said:

    @Blackstone said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I'm in 5* land as well, but certain nodes in Deadpool Daily don't allow you to use 5*s.

    Do you not do those? Just curious.

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    Why do you need speed to do the 4* node in DDQ? Personally I love to use various 4* mix n match ups.

    Because DDQ is a competition!!! I have an entire folder full of screenshots of #1 finishes in DDQ.

    That's about the only game mode where I can still see a #1 next to my name, based solely on speed (PvP is only about outside coordination, and PvE requires optimizing your play via some kind of spreadsheet now).

    Aren't you getting 1st every pvp?

    Remember I only play the last 2 hours of every event.

    Sometimes I accidentally catch a new bracket and I'll get 1st in those if I'm the only one that gets to 1200. Otherwise I get top 10 or something usually. I haven't done a shield hop in probably 2 years now, and the 1000->1200 part of my climb is usually done 5 points at a time, so I don't go past 1200 very much.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,986 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Bowgentle said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @Domitronas said:

    @Blackstone said:

    @Borstock said:
    I play in 5* land, so I never use Kate, but she always kinda struck me as similar to 5* Black Widow. She's a well designed character that's just too slow.

    I'm in 5* land as well, but certain nodes in Deadpool Daily don't allow you to use 5*s.

    Do you not do those? Just curious.

    If you're not using Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for the node - you're wasting time

    Why do you need speed to do the 4* node in DDQ? Personally I love to use various 4* mix n match ups.

    Because DDQ is a competition!!! I have an entire folder full of screenshots of #1 finishes in DDQ.

    That's about the only game mode where I can still see a #1 next to my name, based solely on speed (PvP is only about outside coordination, and PvE requires optimizing your play via some kind of spreadsheet now).

    Aren't you getting 1st every pvp?

    I saw some guys roster the other day that looks like it would swat even Bucket...crikey he had about 40 550s...I have seen him on the forums in the past, I even took the mild Mickey out of him without realising he was an MPQ god...

    I mean...there's hundreds of rosters that'd swat mine. I have 15 550s but they're pretty much all the worst 5*!

    And yes, the reward for DDQ placement is indeed a screenshot. But it's the most valuable screenshot in the game!