Character Updates: Negasonic (Modern), Beast (AoA), Yellowjacket (Live 4/27)

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  • Alex502
    Alex502 Posts: 184 Tile Toppler

    I'm literally so irritated with this change to Beast. I might post blast to CHANGE BEAST BACK!

    CHANGE BEAST BACK!!

    CHANGE BEAST BACK!!

    CHANGE BEAST BACK!!

  • Omegased
    Omegased Posts: 626 Critical Contributor

    @mdreyer93 said:
    @Omegased his blue passive was adding 6500 match dmg to each color when invisible, so a match 3 would do about 21000 dmg. Now it only adds about 2100 to each and he does about 9000 dmg on a match 3. I say ask CS for a refund, this stinks. Total bait & switch. Punisher & I surely aren't the only ones upset.

    I can't see a change to the post, was it just a mistake it was doing that much damage?

  • Alex502
    Alex502 Posts: 184 Tile Toppler

    I want to know who they play tested this change for Beast with? What teams did they think were effective? Did they ever use this Beast against the old version of himself? Did they run the same matches with his old version and his new one?

    STOP BREAKING THE GAME I HAVE PLAYED FOR YEARS AND CHANGE BEAST BACK!!

    Could you all seriously just consider getting a QA team to properly test your ideas before they go live??? I know some developers that might take the gig, but they wouldn't be happy to be joining a sinking ship. In the meantime:

    CHANGE BEAST BACK!!

    CHANGE BEAST BACK!!

    CHANGE BEAST BACK!!

  • Alex502
    Alex502 Posts: 184 Tile Toppler
    edited April 2023

    Okay, so instead of throwing the protest style fit I want to keep doing, how about a real suggestion to not hamper him, but give him more flexibility:

    Change his Blue Ability to create Blue, Green, OR Black Attack tiles, prioritizing which ever color has the least SAP's, rounded down. Then, change his Black Passive to create Blue OR Black protect tiles, whichever color has fewer SAP's.

    This rounds out his color creation, balances what colors his makes the next round of SAP's in, and ultimately means he makes tiles in all of his own colors actively to fuel his powers, without pigeon holing him into making overlaping colored SAP's.

    More flexibility, not less. PLEASE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER CHANGING WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO BEAST!!!!

    Or, and hear me out on this: Just change him back.

  • marvel075
    marvel075 Posts: 125 Tile Toppler

    aye, even with the slight nerf (i honestly dont see it as a nerf, his heal and output damage stayed the same, he got more max health, his base match damage was bumped, he still tanks all colors, all just from losing 4k something in bonus match damage), i've been running through these chasm teams with chasm, kang, and yellowjacket.

  • mdreyer93
    mdreyer93 Posts: 149 Tile Toppler

    @entrailbucket said:
    It says in the description that it's like 1700 at 5 covers. Did they have it set wrong on the initial change and then fix it the next day?

    The description in game changed. Like the description in this post, on the first day it said:
    "While invisible, Yellowjacket's powers ignore Protect tiles and his matches and powers deal 6580 more damage."
    Now, it reads:
    "While invisible, Yellowjacket's powers ignore Protect tiles and deal 6580 more damage, and his base match damage is increased by 2191."

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,012 Chairperson of the Boards

    @dianetics said:
    It is an unintentional nerf.
    I don't think the dev's really used him or played much with him. So my guess is they looked at it and tried to analytically turn him into a self feeding machine, but kneecapped him instead.
    If they did use him regularly then they would have known he was already very good and didn't need a rework.
    Getting rid of the blue charged tiles really screwed up his kit. When using him in certain groups those charged tiles really sped up the match and created a snowball effect.

    This.

    People hate this idea -- for whatever reason, some players want to imagine the developers as all-seeing, all-knowing overlords who are playing 8 dimensional chess with character design.

    The reality is much simpler -- they don't play the game like we do, as much as we do, they don't understand the deeper synergies and combo potential in the game, and most importantly, characters are only good or bad by accident. The longer you're around, and the more closely you observe the stuff they do, the more obvious it becomes.

  • Alex502
    Alex502 Posts: 184 Tile Toppler

    I posted "Revert Dark Beast" in the Suggestions and Feedback forum, I suggest we carry our protest on there, as its targeted towards the dev's.

  • SuperCarrot
    SuperCarrot Posts: 255 Mover and Shaker

    I will complain on any thread needed about them messing up AOA Beast.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,713 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2023

    Here's what I don't understand: there are so, so, so many worse 4s that need help. Why Dark Beast? How about Talos? Or Puck? Why did the team look at all the 4s and think "You know who we should spend time changing? Dark Beast!"

  • BoyWonder1914
    BoyWonder1914 Posts: 884 Critical Contributor

    @LavaManLee said:
    Here's what I don't understand: there are so, so, so many worse 4s that need help. Why Dark Beast? How about Talos? Or Puck? Why did the team look at all the 4s and think "You know who we should spend time changing? Dark Beast!"

    @IceIX do we have any kind of insight into who, and when characters are chosen for updates? I don't believe it would hurt the game in any of kind of way to have these updates prioritize characters that the fanbase has voted (in whatever format) need the most attention.

  • Wolvie171
    Wolvie171 Posts: 215 Tile Toppler

    This is reminiscent of the stealth nerf for 5* Captain Marvel due to her popularity and usage as a catalyst for winfinite matches.

    Did Dark Beast receive the same treatment and this wasn't so much a rebalance due to his own powers as much as his ability to synergize with other characters? For example, acting as a blue battery for Kang :*

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,012 Chairperson of the Boards

    I can't imagine them going after Beast as a blue battery when we have like 100 other blue batteries that are way faster and more efficient than he ever was.

    Again, this is not 8 dimensional chess being executed according to some sort of nefarious secret plan. Sometimes it's nice to think that, but there is very little evidence to support the theory.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    I think the only guy who thought that the devs have plans inside plans inside plans and know everything has been banned.

  • pepitedechocolat
    pepitedechocolat Posts: 253 Mover and Shaker

    @Bowgentle said:
    I think the only guy who thought that the devs have plans inside plans inside plans and know everything has been banned.

    maybe devs dont have, but maybe the dark powers behind them have !

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,012 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    I think the only guy who thought that the devs have plans inside plans inside plans and know everything has been banned.

    I don't think you even need to go as far as...that. We'll never find out the real answers to the whys for some of these things, but in general, with MPQ devs, the simplest possible answers tend to be true.

    Like, I truly believe they thought they were making Beast better, because their explanation in the post tracks, and it's highly likely that nobody over there has used him very much. It's extremely unlikely that anybody there has the kind of deeper understanding of his powerset that posters here have. I can't cite all the evidence for this theory that we've accumulated over the years, but there is a lot of it.

    Now, you may think that lack of understanding is a big problem in itself (I think sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't), but I don't think they do these things on purpose, or according to some plan.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    Remember, the things we noticed over the years mostly applied to Demiurge.
    Although BCS seems to have even less insight than we saw from Demi, because they keep breaking stuff left and right in addition.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,012 Chairperson of the Boards

    Right, Demiurge built the game from scratch, maintained it for 8 years, and designed every single character, and we know what we know about their level of understanding.

    ...knowing all that, if anything I think it's even less likely that stuff like this is happening because of some galaxy-brain overarching plan that BCS has. This isn't (and wasn't) some insult or shot at them, either -- they have absolutely zero reason to play the game like we do or understand the deeper interactions like we do.

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    Dbeast was important because he is an apoc feeder. And apoc was important on pvp and maybe continues being on pve.
    So a lot of people have a high leveled Dbeast but they don't play him. Is it that bad? Not at all. Dbeast never has been meta and with this rework neither will be.
    However, I liked to play Dbeast on DDP and now I don't because he is pretty bad.
    The concept of his reword could be good but this is a game of speed and right now Dbeast is double slow.

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