Post your HP or Roster Slot wishes here

HoundofShadow

Currently, the top one concern of players is roster slot cost because we'll have an additional release per month beginning in September. To be exact, the scheduled 5* release in September is on the 22nd, unless the dev throws us a bonus 5* release.

Between now and then, instead of worrying about it, I think it would be more productive or more beneficial if players were to write down and quantify their wishes on how the dev could help with the additional 1000 or 2000 hp spending per month.

There shall be no judging in this thread. The purpose of this thread is to relay your wishes in quantifiable terms. Vague wishes that can't be quantified aren't helpful. For example, wishes for more hp resources are vague.

In order to make this more helpful, it'll be good to provide context. You might want to provide your playstyle, how much you play each day, your alliance typical placement, estimated HP earn rate, current number of roster slots and hps you have etc.

For example, it could look like:

Alliance pve placement: top 10,000

Alliance pvp placement: top 500

Pvp: play to 1200, T5-50 placement

Pve: T10 in scl 10 or T5 in scl 9

Current number of roster slots: over 300 

Current number of hp: 11k

HP earn rate: unsure. 
HP floating rate: ~4k.

Average monthly spending: 0

Wishes: increase monthly hp earn rate by 600-800.

Please this keep in mind, wishes are afterall wishes. However, quantifying your wishes make it easier to understand your pov and perhaps it could help the dev to establish a range to work on.  Even though we are 42 days away from the 3*/5* release schedule, I'll recommend penning down your wishes as soon as possible instead of waiting till September.

Template (you might want to add on other notes if you want to)

Alliance pve placement: 

Alliance pvp placement: 

Pvp playstyle: 

Pve playstyle: 

Current number of roster slots: 

Current number of hp:

HP earn rate:

HP floating rate: 

Average monthly spending: 

Wishes: 

Bowgentle

Why should we do the devs' job?
Only they know how they want to balance the rewards.

DAZ0273

Bloody hell are we are applying for a job? 

Obvious answers:

Scrap or reduce the 2000HP roster slot cost at 300
Have a roster slot sale to co-incide with 3/5 release schedule 
Increase HP value for selling max champ characters up to 3* level - 4* and above generous enough so no change needed

Incentivise chasing character by having extra HP rewards in release PvE vault allowing easier rostering

Add HP rewards to newly revamped DDQ

Wait for an announcement then cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war

ickysticky

Personally I think an improvement could come with progression reward updates. Eg the PvP rewards increased to 150 for events (SCL 9 for me), so maybe for the season's shield simulator, bulk those HP rewards from 25 to 50.

Then for PvE, just the same general buffs for progression rewards. 60 to 90, 65 to 95 etc(SCL 8). Then a HP boost for the Player Awards. Lowest is 75. Perhaps 75 to 120, and a 45 boost to each other reward.

I'm not sure about what potential earning that equates to over time, but it'd make it much nicer trying to keep up with char releases and rostering oldies too

itsuka7

Change at least the early game so that beginners can roster more characters more easily. A new player that does not buy hp but plays very actively should be able to roster 1 new character in 1-2 days instead of 1-2 weeks. That still tempts them to spend and roster more and faster and get those great new chars you are tempting them with, but at least it will show them rostering new chars can be done, Players that do spend money on shield packs should not immediately get into hp drought again afterwards (for that matter, keep those shield pack offers available at all times, until bought).

How? Let them start with more slots and/or make the first 100 slots way cheaper and/or give better hp rewards at the lower level (and lock out higher players out of low pve scls so real beginners can earn those ranking rewards instead of them going to lazy 4* and 5* players that troll scl 1 to 5. A bandwith of 5 pve scls should be enough.

For all other players, cap roster slot cost at 1000 to adress the more than 2 chars a month problem, that should be enough.

JimboJambo

Thanks for starting this thread Hound. I'm a 5* player with all characters rostered. I don't have an HP deficit due to the rewards I earn from farming. However it was definitely a challenge when building my roster so I would like to see roster slot sales return and increased HP in progression rewards. That would help players who still have lots of characters to roster.

One thought about HP in general. In most games, you spend your gold on exciting, shiny stuff like upgrades. In MPQ a lot of it goes on roster slots and shields, which feels a bit underwhelming. I don't have any suggestion for changing this but I think that psychologically it does explain the frustration of some players about the roster slot tax. I think we would all rather be spending it on vaults with cool characters...

DAZ0273

Are there really 4*/5* players playing in SCL 1-5? Wow, surely that should be closed off like Versus was.

Bowgentle

DAZ0273 said:

Are there really 4*/5* players playing in SCL 1-5? Wow, surely that should be closed off like Versus was.

Only by accident I think.
Someone accidentally hit CL 1 once, but nobody punches that far down on purpose.

ThaRoadWarrior

I've gone back to the Shard Champion Rewards announcement thread  to note how much HP was removed from character champion rewards because of the addition of shards and Mighty Tokens. For those who weren't here or don't recall, characters used to give out discreet complete covers of a certain color at various levels. Shards split that down into the current 3-levels to Full (at least for 4*s going to 5*) structure, and some previous rewards were both moved and reduced or just removed entirely. Some 3*s but not others were made to feed 2 4*s, while some 4*s still had multiple 3* feeders which weren't changed. Quickly visually skimming it, the changes were as follows:

2* characters had 50hp removed per character from their rewards in total
3* looks like 350 hp were removed per character in total, replaced with tokens and shards
4* didn't seem to lose any HP rewards

Without running the numbers and doing the stats, I would say that injecting some or all of that HP back into the economy would be desirable, particularly now that we are uncorking the 3* dilution pool by adding more. What used to be a fairly regular growth rate on that tier is going to very quickly slow down to a crawl once every cover you get has less and less chance of being somebody you have at a good reward level. Alternatively increasing the shard numbers (and by this i don't mean the number of levels that give out shards, I mean the number of shards you get on a shard-giving champ level) you get from them so you're getting more champ level progress on average could be helpful.

KGB

ThaRoadWarrior said:

2* characters had 50hp removed per character from their rewards in total
3* looks like 350 hp were removed per character in total, replaced with tokens and shards
4* didn't seem to lose any HP rewards

Actually 4*s lost a minimum of 100 HP per sharded cover.

I took a look at Morbius (no feeder) and Puck (Colossus). At L295, there is a 100 HP reward that is replaced by Shards on Puck. Same at L215. When you get to L255, the reward lost is 250 hp.

So I'd guess we lose ~700 HP for 5 sharded covers.

Injecting that back in some manner would be great. Especially on 2/3* which flip a lot.

All that said, my hope is that the update to Deadpool's daily injects some HP as a daily reward. Even if it's just 25 a day it would give out 700ish a month which would help alleviate the new 3* for those with a HP crunch.

KGB

P.S. Spending $1.99 a month (min hero point buy) nets you a full month of bonus rewards which includes a lot of HP/ISO. I'd guess easily 700 a month when you factor in the 200 you get for 1.99. I know many consider it an anathema to spend even 1 penny on the game but it's a great way to generate a lot of resources.

ThaRoadWarrior

Oh I guess I missed that, or it changed at some point. Looking at the chart presented in the announcement thread, all the HP levels are coded orange, and I didn't notice any rows that weren't the same across them. Though it does appear quite a bit of CP was lost towards the upper end of a feeder 4* to make room for shards.

ThaRoadWarrior

those are just the changes to character champion rewards, shards and mighty tokens shifted around event rewards (in most cases for the better, but I want to say SCL 10 had some negative reaction at the time because of maybe the changes to CP or something?) but I assume some hp was probably removed from events as well. Probably worth digging that thread up to do the proper research though.

shardwick

DAZ0273 said:

Are there really 4*/5* players playing in SCL 1-5? Wow, surely that should be closed off like Versus was.

Yeah, years ago I started a second account and was slowly building it up in scl 1-2 and every event it had the same guys in it with max champed 3s, champed 4s and some guys had champed 5s or at least lv400 5s playing for top placement. Pretty pathetic. It reminded me of that Seinfeld episode where Kramer was beating up on a bunch of kids in his karate class. Things were completely different when I was a new player and your competition was essentially on your level as well. Not a lot of people knew how to play optimally so even if you didn't have an essential character you could still do fairly well and get decent placement if you played more optimally than them. Anyways, I agree that those earlier levels definitely should be closed off.

ThaRoadWarrior

I always thought policing the roster rather than the player would work. Lock out characters above a certain level, so if you enter, only your characters below 266 can be used.

HoundofShadow

Do players mind if the dev gave everyone up to 2000 hp a month if it means grinding for another 5-10 minutes a day? This is a gacha game, so it's either time or money.

Omegased

I think i'd like to see a different cost based on tier level. that way you can make it more affordable at lower levels and keep it expensive at higher.

Weirdnerd2009

I'd like to see roster slots given as progression/placement rewards,  maybe things like the penultimate reward of a boss fight is a roster slot,  or season placement giving between 1 and 3 slots

DAZ0273

Weirdnerd2009 said:

I'd like to see roster slots given as progression/placement rewards,  maybe things like the penultimate reward of a boss fight is a roster slot,  or season placement giving between 1 and 3 slots

No chance.

Chirus

Would like to see something like a weekly and monthly milestone type system where you get rewards for completing certain objectives from regular play and the rewards would include items like HP to LL tokens to even one of the latest 4* covers. I won't be greedy and ask for yet another 5* cover, lol. I'm grateful for the 2 that we get from the boss events.

Godzillafan67

HoundofShadow said:

Do players mind if the dev gave everyone up to 2000 hp a month if it means grinding for another 5-10 minutes a day? This is a gacha game, so it's either time or money.

Yes (though I would use "rewarded" instead of "gave").

ThaRoadWarrior

I don't think there is any point to providing a universal basic HP income, it would be (in my opinion) far superior to work it into play-based-rewards so people are incentivized to engage with the game. It is my belief that most of your paying players are the ones who engage with the main PVE/PVP events rather than those who just limit themselves to DDQ. So whether someone plays harder to use the toys they bought or they buy the toys so they can play harder, it stands to reason you would want to get more people engaging with your content. So if it goes anywhere, I would put more HP in the reward structure of the places I wanted my players to be spending their time. People will go where the incentives are.