Outcast Will Exile Cast Permanents - Is this WAD? [Investigating]

jtwood

@Oktagon_Support

Sometimes, Outcast will result in a permanent being cast into play. At the end of that turn, that permanent will be exiled. This is true even if the previous versions of that permanent were not cast with Outcast. In the video below, a 24-shield Arixmethes is reinforced by an Outcast-copy of Arixmethes. At the end of the turn, the 28-shield support is exiled. I have also seen this with creatures cast via Outcast.

https://i.imgur.com/UZmHlot.mp4

Is this how Outcast was intended to perform?

KrizzB

The same thing happened to me when my Riveteers Charm drew a Crimson Honour Guard and cast it, reinforcing the one already in play and subsequently exiled it once my turn was over.

I really don't hope this was the intended way for Outcast to work, especially since Outcast in paper is removed from any card that is cast/moved to the battlefield and those cards are only exiled if they are still in your hand after you pass the turn to the opponent.

Mainloop25

This severely limits the viability of this mechanic and should be redone

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FindingHeart8

Can confirm this is still an issue with Urabrask, Heretic Praetor, at least when Outcast cards are reinforced 

Machine

Yep, still an issue. A creature and a vanguard I had in play where both reinforced by a copy with outcast and both the creature and the vanguard were exiled end of turn, even though the originals were hard cast without outcast.

jtwood

@Oktagon_Support this is a simple request to find out if this function is working as described or not. Can we please at least get an answer about whether or not it was intended that Outcast would exile cast permanents?

Mainloop25

I would also like to know

SometimesWitchy

Still wondering

Barnabes

It’s definitely working as described. The last line in the description says “At the end of this turn, if it’s not exiled, exile it”. This would naturally function everywhere since it doesn’t say “if it’s in your hand”.

Now, whether it’s working “as intended” is a different question. If it is, Outcast will only ever be good for spell-chaining combo decks. Exiling existing permanents is definitely a feel bad thing.

Janosik

@Barnabes said:
It’s definitely working as described. The last line in the description says “At the end of this turn, if it’s not exiled, exile it”. This would naturally function everywhere since it doesn’t say “if it’s in your hand”.

Now, whether it’s working “as intended” is a different question. If it is, Outcast will only ever be good for spell-chaining combo decks. Exiling existing permanents is definitely a feel bad thing.

It's working as described; but it's definitely not working "as intended". When introduced, Outcast was explicitly described by Oktagon as an implementation of paper MTG's 'Impulse Draw' mechanic, which does not exile permanents.

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/86079/release-notes-5-3-0/p1

Aerebes

Just tested, it also exiles a non-reinforced permanent, and it only applies to the player's cards, not the AI, so it is a significant advantage for them with some cards.

The test was done with Urabrask, Heretic Praetor as the trigger and Teeterpeak Ambusher as the outcast.