Tremayne said:I hope my example makes sense.
Tremayne said: But 21 can’t be the final cost.like the mox opal can’t be 18
Heartstone said: My 2 cents: no.I was trying to get the blue and green moxes, knowing that it would take ages ( not enough gold), but now I'll concentrate on the colorless one. If Tremayne's scenario ( which I often use) is really limitating, maybe I'll think about the other moxes again.BTW, I personally find the black lotus totally underwhelming. What do you think about it?
Tremayne said: @Janosik - I mean they are completely unbalanced. Just compare the text of any color mox. They cost 6 mana, so of course a card that does the same does not cost 3 times as much, even if the lotus mox has 4 shields.And I saw the changes to the gallery, but that is just compounding the error. So I’m calling out Oktagon and giving them a chance to gather their wits.
khurram said: Supports that give full mana to cards have historically cost close to 20ish mana. Sunforger, Pyromancer's goggles, chaos wand, Thran's temporal gatewayThe mox cards were an exception. Those should've cost at least 10 mana from the start anyway.
TomB said: I sure am glad I quit my coalition and stopped trying to keep up. This game sucks now
Tremayne said: @ambrosio191 - I believe the cost of 21 is wrong, calling it disingenuous is a bit harsh (IMO). It is wrong because the card becomes irrelevant. You have other options, that simply are better. The moxes mainly relies on the mana field mechanism, therein lies the main limiting factor of moxes. You can’t use the ability of any MF mox if there is no match in the mana field. However, even if there is a match sometimes the match is undesirable (off-colour, match-5 elsewhere or you need to get rid of a support to name a few reasons). So the coloured moxes have a +2 to mana gain, which means that the mox is still masterpiece worthy.The mox lotus does the same to any coloured card (as you argue) but as I have shown above with drawbacks (which is loss of mana from your match and lower/shorter mana gain period), So a cost of 21 seems extremely high, for a masterpiece (possibly not a mythic) particularly if you compare it to a support like “Fires of invention”, here you get two cards for free at the cost of 13 mana with the drawback that you can only cast two cards per round.After considering all of this I agree that a cost of 10 to 12 would be a fair mana cost, considering ML is a MP.
ambrosio191 said: Mox lotus does have it's drawbacks that you pointed out, ones that would have prevented me from using it even at 5 mana. My reasoning for 12-16, closer to 16, is, this feels like a card that shouldnt come out with 1 on color match. It should really be 2, probably even 3, on colored matches to cast with typical PW mana bonuses.